BaaadThingsMan Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) What a great hire Tyler Dunne was for the News. Finally a Bills reporter who gets it. We are not interested in the quarterback evaluations of Jerry Sullivan, Buscaglia etc. They are not qualified to make such evaluations, as there is not an NFL team that would even consider hiring them to evaluate or scout - they lack the qualifications. So when you read them, it's no different than an opinion offered by any drunk on any bar stool in WNY. Sullivan wrote earlier this year that Taylor does not pass his "eye test" as an NFL QB. His eye test! As if he knows anything about QB evaluations Dunne does it the right way - interviews sources and solicits the opinions of guys who have the credentials to evaluate. Is it just me, or doesn't everybody prefer an evaluation coming from a former NFL offensive coordinator, vs the opinion of Sullivan, Buscaglia and company. I know it takes more work than just tossing out your uninformed opinion, but that's what a good reporter does. I agree with this, I could care less what Sulky <<~ saw this here, think it was Yolo, thinks. If it was a typo it was perfect. I only read Dunne and Skurski anymore from BN TT only played 3/4 of a season. He is already better than most 1st year starters and he will continue to develop his game in the years to come. No need to throw it 30 or more times a game when u can throw for 3 TDs over 20+ yards and win going away most games. I personally like the pound em with the run and beat em with the pass approach. Edited January 16, 2016 by NorCalBillsSabres
starrymessenger Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 I thought having an opinion from a player, even if he's not acknowledged to be a great mind of the game (what active player outside of a few sure fire HoFamers would be) was a great move. Without the views of a person who knows Taylor personally and close up, in the lockerroom and in the huddle, the article would not have been nearly as good, indeed, incomplete. Wood was the right player to ask, and I say that realizing that he was'nt going to take his QB down.
Dorkington Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 The thing I hate about the conversation of OMG CAN HE THROW IT XX TIMES A GAME, is that QBs who throw it that many times a game are making a lot of short passes to get chunks of ~5 yards at a time. With how successful our running game is, we don't need to be making those throws all game, so I don't understand the obsession in our current offense.
starrymessenger Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 The thing I hate about the conversation of OMG CAN HE THROW IT XX TIMES A GAME, is that QBs who throw it that many times a game are making a lot of short passes to get chunks of ~5 yards at a time. With how successful our running game is, we don't need to be making those throws all game, so I don't understand the obsession in our current offense. Not being able to make the timing throws they are talking about puts too much pressure on your run first offence and makes it a lot easier to defend. Also there are times, often later in games, where you don't have the luxury of relying on even a very good running game. A franchise QB has to be able to beat you with his arm when he needs to. I think thats all they are saying. If Tatlor can (learn) to do that he will be one of the hardest QBs to defend against and the Bills O should be very productive.
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 The thing I hate about the conversation of OMG CAN HE THROW IT XX TIMES A GAME, is that QBs who throw it that many times a game are making a lot of short passes to get chunks of ~5 yards at a time. With how successful our running game is, we don't need to be making those throws all game, so I don't understand the obsession in our current offense. Right, if u can run it u run it. The physical tole u exact every time the opponent has to take on blockers , muck around in the scrum and tackle a RB sets the offense up for later in the game.
NoSaint Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 TT is not a "run first" QB. And he has already shown he can "beat them with his arm." What I need to see is more middle of the field throws and improvement in crossing plays. And I believe he will add that to his arsenal this off season. I feel very confident we've got our guy enough so that if the Bills don't lock him up soon, I think there is going to be a lot of competition for him when his contract runs out. I think there's a big difference between having done it situationally before and doing it consistently. He's shown the flashes but most guys in the league can flash that. Hopefully he will continue to grow and put it together more regularly. Another quote that surprised me was Gannon talking about how he is so cerebral that he can be trusted to run the offense- but we never saw Roman give that full trust yet. Not saying he won't grow into it but Gannon portrayed it as something he regularly displayed with the casual way he mentioned it as if a given
starrymessenger Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 Billick says you can't win with just a great D. Game must have changed because he did exactly that.
Saint Doug Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Billick says you can't win with just a great D. Game must have changed because he did exactly that. That's what I was going to say! Here's his quote: Billick: “I like what I see in Tyrod Taylor. I just have to see more. Give me a handful of 40-plus throw games where you have to fold the game plan up, put it in your back pocket and go win it for us. Otherwise, you’re going to be on that path like Rex had in New York with Mark Sanchez, the tight pitch count, ‘We’re going to play great defense and not turn the ball over,’ and we’ll win a championship that way. Well, you’re not. You have to have a quarterback.” Is this guy for real? He must have complete amnesia of one of the only times he's had success in the NFL. Edited January 16, 2016 by Saint Doug
moshermw Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 Good article concept and well executed by Dunne. Lots of really good work there. Lol at a couple of the "experts" questioning TT's work ethic ( more out of admitted ignorance than any observed issues) and his strength and conditioning. TT is a gym rat like you read about and is as strong as a horse. I think TT says bring the R Wilson comparisons on. Wilson is better at some things certainly - quicker reads, etc. Even right now TT is more elusive (saying a lot) and is notably faster on top end speed. The reads will come quicker with more starts with the same OC and receivers. OT; jarrett Boykin was an excellent under the RADAR pickup for the Bills.
billykaykay Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 That's what I was going to say! Here's his quote: Is this guy for real? He must have complete amnesia of one of the only times he's had success in the NFL. That was a decade ago. The DB rule not allowing any contact past 5 yds didn't come into full bloom till later. Now, you need a QB - period. Billick won with an average QB. It can be done - occasionally. Much better to sell the farm to get that QB though. Luckily, I think we have ours.
Mikie2times Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Gilbride spoke to a lot of the reasons people still think the verdict isn't out on Taylor. Taylor really didn't show all season that he could read a coverage and throw to a man who was was covered but about to become open after his break. That is what all the best ones do. It's also the hardest thing to do as a QB. Only 3-5 guys can do it consistently and about 5 more can do it inconsistently. Then you take in the other comments and it's the balance of what Taylor did do well. We already know most QB's in the NFL don't pass the test Gilbride was holding Taylor to. So now you have 20 or so QB's that will be a blend of arm/accuracy, deep passes, 1 or 2 read passes, improvisation, limiting turnovers, and running. In these areas Taylor probably had the best seasons in the NFL. In fact I would argue we didn't lose a game all year with because Taylor was the starter. He had better games than others, but he never was so bad he was the predominant reason for the loss. Tyrod might not ever be a true franchise QB but if he's the next best thing to one he's might just be as valuable. Edited January 16, 2016 by KzooMike
DefenseWins Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 Gilbride spoke to a lot of the reasons people still think the verdict isn't out on Taylor. Taylor really didn't show all season that he could read a coverage and throw to a man who was was covered but about to become open after his break. That is what all the best ones do. It's also the hardest thing to do as a QB. Only 3-5 guys can do it consistently and about 5 more can do it inconsistently. Then you take in the other comments and it's the balance of what Taylor did do well. We already know most QB's in the NFL don't pass the test Gilbride was holding Taylor to. So now you have 20 or so QB's that will be a blend of arm/accuracy, deep passes, 1 or 2 read passes, improvisation, limiting turnovers, and running. In these areas Taylor probably had the best seasons in the NFL. In fact I would argue we didn't lose a game all year with because Taylor was the starter. He had better games than others, but he never was so bad he was the predominant reason for the loss. Tyrod might not ever be a true franchise QB but if he's the next best thing to one he's might just be as valuable. For his "rookie" season Taylor did well... And he is obviously the starter going into next season... I still think you need to draft a QB in Rd 2-3 to try to develop and at least back Taylor up... Cut ties with EJ now....
starrymessenger Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 For his "rookie" season Taylor did well... And he is obviously the starter going into next season... I still think you need to draft a QB in Rd 2-3 to try to develop and at least back Taylor up... Cut ties with EJ now.... Agree. Maybe Whaley can finally let go now that he has a new deal.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 Tyrod Taylor on if he's Bills' franchise QB: 'I think I've shown what I do' (3:07)Buffalo Bills quarterback Tyrod Taylor joins "NFL Gameday First" to discuss his 2015 season success and his predictions for today's matchup between the Patriots and the Chiefs.
3rdand12 Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 I agree with this, I could care less what Sulky <<~ saw this here, think it was Yolo, thinks. If it was a typo it was perfect. I only read Dunne and Skurski anymore from BN TT only played 3/4 of a season. He is already better than most 1st year starters and he will continue to develop his game in the years to come. No need to throw it 30 or more times a game when u can throw for 3 TDs over 20+ yards and win going away most games. I personally like the pound em with the run and beat em with the pass approach. tt played 7/8ths actually
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 I thought having an opinion from a player, even if he's not acknowledged to be a great mind of the game (what active player outside of a few sure fire HoFamers would be) was a great move. Without the views of a person who knows Taylor personally and close up, in the lockerroom and in the huddle, the article would not have been nearly as good, indeed, incomplete. Wood was the right player to ask, and I say that realizing that he was'nt going to take his QB down. Oh, I think it's great to mix Wood in there. Just don't bill him as one of the "great football minds" or the like. Put him in there as "we also interviewed one of the players who works most closely with Tyrod all season, Bills Center Eric Wood." Doing otherwise is a tad disingenuous IMO. You know Wood is only going to say good things about his guy. I get the Dunne love fest - I share it to a great extent. In fact, this is the first article I've read by Dunne that I thought was a bit sloppy in a couple of places, and it disappointed me in large part because I have such a high opinion of Dunne.
Mr. WEO Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 Who were all of those coaches 20-30 years ago who were talking about their "5 year plans"?
vincec Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) For his "rookie" season Taylor did well... And he is obviously the starter going into next season... I still think you need to draft a QB in Rd 2-3 to try to develop and at least back Taylor up... Cut ties with EJ now....Be careful because Taylor is not really a rookie. He has been practicing and game planning in the NFL for 5 years now. He's not a veteran starter but he's not a rookie either. He's had a lot of time to work on his game at the NFL level so it's not clear how much more he's going to develop. That's why most people are cautiously optimistic instead of crazy optimistic. Who were all of those coaches 20-30 years ago who were talking about their "5 year plans"?At his introductory press conference Dick Vermeil said that if it took 5 years to improve the Eagles he deserved to be fired. Edited January 17, 2016 by vincec
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 The part I found most interesting was where Billick (I think) suggested they game plan next year to make Tyrod throw 30-50 times a game, because it will help develop him as a passer. Essentially develop Tyrod at the possible expense of winning games. It's an interesting idea but player development is a dead science in today's NFL and too many folks at OBD have their jobs on the line to pull such a stunt. But I'm quite intrigued by it... No, Bill just wants us to get blown out in every game.
TAinLack. Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 What a great hire Tyler Dunne was for the News. Finally a Bills reporter who gets it. We are not interested in the quarterback evaluations of Jerry Sullivan, Buscaglia etc. They are not qualified to make such evaluations, as there is not an NFL team that would even consider hiring them to evaluate or scout - they lack the qualifications. So when you read them, it's no different than an opinion offered by any drunk on any bar stool in WNY. Sullivan wrote earlier this year that Taylor does not pass his "eye test" as an NFL QB. His eye test! As if he knows anything about QB evaluations Dunne does it the right way - interviews sources and solicits the opinions of guys who have the credentials to evaluate. Is it just me, or doesn't everybody prefer an evaluation coming from a former NFL offensive coordinator, vs the opinion of Sullivan, Buscaglia and company. I know it takes more work than just tossing out your uninformed opinion, but that's what a good reporter does. Good point.
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