filthymcnasty08 Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Welp...going to try really hard to judge all of this by the product they put on the field.
dave mcbride Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 This is just a garbage move. Rob Ryan running the defense??? Pure nepotism. I actually blame the owner for allowing this to happen.
Dorkington Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 So our best defensive coach leaves, our worst takes over that unit, and Rob Ryan (a joke of a DC) takes over DC duties?
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 If Ryan is going to go down and get run out of Buffalo by the casuals, he is at least going to do it his way. This is just a garbage move. Rob Ryan running the defense??? Pure nepotism. I actually blame the owner for allowing this to happen. Rex is going to be running the defense. Don't kid yourself.
dave mcbride Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 If Ryan is going to go down and get run out of Buffalo by the casuals, he is at least going to do it his way. Rex is going to be running the defense. Don't kid yourself. Don't be so sure of that. Rob Ryan is a legit longtime DC (although not a successful one).
YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2016 Author Posted January 12, 2016 So our best defensive coach leaves, our worst takes over that unit, and Rob Ryan (a joke of a DC) takes over DC duties? to be fair to Thurman, DBs is his coaching background before he became DC. They didn't just move him there arbitrarily.
Reed83HOF Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Don't be so sure of that. Rob Ryan is a legit longtime DC (although not a successful one). I was half heatedly joking that when we win 4 games next year we have a shot at Chad Kelly...It might be true now
Best Player Available Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Losing Henderson is not good. One of the very few coaches that actually earned his paychecks Last season. With the Ryan twins IMO next year will again be extremely disappointing. But could Fast track the Ryan bros evenetual firing. Why hasn't Rex hired his Dad? poor health aside he at least Has a football brain. The twins get jobs based on their father to this day Is there anything anywhere in print from OBD other than Rex saying getting Rob is a good move? What is going on at OBD? Wonder what Whaley's take on this is? Imo
Kelly the Dog Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Henderson was a great coach here. Sucks that he is leaving. I imagine that it is because he wants a DC opportunity but maybe he just didn't want to share DB duties with too many coaches. I would love Ed Reed if only for the fire he would bring. Who knows how well he can coach. A lot of great players make lousy coaches. I'm not at all saying he's one of them, only that just because you were a great player does not at all mean you can coach great. But his intensity I imagine carries over. Make no mistake though, Rex knows he's in trouble and had a crappy year. He's taking over the defense. Not Rob, not Thurman. It's going to be Rex. This is likely his last coaching job, whether he is bad or good. He's not going out without his own guns a blazin'.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Make no mistake though, Rex knows he's in trouble and had a crappy year. He's taking over the defense. Not Rob, not Thurman. It's going to be Rex. This is likely his last coaching job, whether he is bad or good. He's not going out without his own guns a blazin'. I truly believe there was an ultimatum. I am getting the sentiment that if he fails he wants to go out like you said "guns a blazin". Edited January 12, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever
26CornerBlitz Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 This is just a garbage move. Rob Ryan running the defense??? Pure nepotism. I actually blame the owner for allowing this to happen. You expect Pegula to get involved in telling the HC who can or cannot be on his staff as an assistant?
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Jeez relax folks. I can't believe the hysteria. BTW, I think Ed Reed would be a terrific add, if any truth to it. The guys is a tough, smart, leader. Edited January 12, 2016 by The Thurmanator
GunnerBill Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Just reading between the lines, perhaps Henderson was in the ear of players like Mario, telling (or agreeing with) them that Schwartz's scheme had been better. Rex is trying to get everyone on the same page heading into next year. It may not work out, but you've got to give him the power to make these kinds of decisions. Again, if the results are disastrous (as FireChan and his army of TSW Walkers is predicting), Rex will be fired next offseason. I don't understand why basic assistant coaching changes have to portend total doom, in January... Possible, certainly, but I would say unlikely. Henderson is a Rex Ryan guy. he worked with him in Baltimore and has traditionally run that Rex style of aggressive blitzing defense. I would be very surprised if he was now undermining the scheme.
K D Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 When they hired the Rex Ryan circus they basically were saying let's take the only thing good about this team (defense and it's coaches) and blow it up. Well they blew it up and now we suck. Nice work
Deranged Rhino Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 I truly believe there was an ultimatum. I am getting the sentiment that if he fails he wants to go out like you said "guns a blazin". There's no need for an ultimatum -- it's implied by the situation. Rex knows he's gone if next year goes like this year, Pegs doesn't need to tell him that.
bobobonators Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 When they hired the Rex Ryan circus they basically were saying let's take the only thing good about this team (defense and it's coaches) and blow it up. Well they blew it up and now we suck. Nice work With the same core group of defensive players (KW, MW, MD, Gilmore, McKelvin and Hughes since 2013) this defense in the last 4 years has ranked in pts/game: 2012: 26th (27.2pts/g) 2013: 23rd (24.2pts/g) 2014: 4th (18.1pts/g) 2015: 15th (22.4 pts/g) How about the following hypothesis: 2014 was an outlier where everything went right and the stars aligned and two players who were playing for contracts had monster years: Hughes and MD.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) With the same core group of defensive players (KW, MW, MD, Gilmore, McKelvin and Hughes since 2013) this defense in the last 4 years has ranked in pts/game: How about the following hypothesis: 2014 was an outlier where everything went right and the stars aligned and two players who were playing for contracts had monster years: Hughes and MD. I really do think you are on to something here. Defense was equally as terrible as it was elite in the 4 years. 2 and 2. The one year with Pettine was a D that was elite in terms of advanced stats only. The 2 years prior the defense was way worse than it was under Rex year 1. I think the proper outlook is that the defensive personnel is vastly overrated by fans and are blaming way too much on the coaching. Edited January 12, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever
BackInDaDay Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 hmm... is Donnie following Doug Marrone somewhere? this following was taken from this old link.. http://www.wgr550.com/As-times-and-players-have-changed-Donnie-Henderson/21675701# On that Jets staff was an offensive line coach named Doug Marrone. Henderson and Marrone formed a bond simply through talking about football every day. “Doug and I would sit and always talk football. Always.” Five years later, after Marrone was hired as the head coach at Syracuse University, he picked up the phone and called his old football buddy and offered him a job. Henderson, who had since moved on to coordinate the Detroit Lions defense for a year, then worked as an assistant for the Jaguars and Cardinals, couldn't take it right away. But he was finally able to join his friend in 2012. By then, Marrone and his staff had turned the Orange program around and Marrone was becoming a candidate for several NFL jobs. The Bills hired him the following off-season. It was never a question if Henderson would follow Marrone to Buffalo – or anywhere. “We always talked about it,” Henderson said of him and Marrone. “Wherever he was going to go I was going to go. That was just our relationship. I was pretty close with Doug, and still am.”
The Poojer Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Nuh-uh....Rex Ryan sucks and ruined this premier defense....i read it on the google machine With the same core group of defensive players (KW, MW, MD, Gilmore, McKelvin and Hughes since 2013) this defense in the last 4 years has ranked in pts/game: 2012: 26th (27.2pts/g) 2013: 23rd (24.2pts/g) 2014: 4th (18.1pts/g) 2015: 15th (22.4 pts/g) How about the following hypothesis: 2014 was an outlier where everything went right and the stars aligned and two players who were playing for contracts had monster years: Hughes and MD.
YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2016 Author Posted January 12, 2016 hmm... is Donnie following Doug Marrone somewhere? this following was taken from this old link.. http://www.wgr550.com/As-times-and-players-have-changed-Donnie-Henderson/21675701# On that Jets staff was an offensive line coach named Doug Marrone. Henderson and Marrone formed a bond simply through talking about football every day. Doug and I would sit and always talk football. Always. Five years later, after Marrone was hired as the head coach at Syracuse University, he picked up the phone and called his old football buddy and offered him a job. Henderson, who had since moved on to coordinate the Detroit Lions defense for a year, then worked as an assistant for the Jaguars and Cardinals, couldn't take it right away. But he was finally able to join his friend in 2012. By then, Marrone and his staff had turned the Orange program around and Marrone was becoming a candidate for several NFL jobs. The Bills hired him the following off-season. It was never a question if Henderson would follow Marrone to Buffalo or anywhere. We always talked about it, Henderson said of him and Marrone. Wherever he was going to go I was going to go. That was just our relationship. I was pretty close with Doug, and still am. Jax does have a DC opening I think
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