For Everyone Who Wanted Rex Fired...

[FireChan]

 

It's tough to plead the case or at least have a meaningful discussion when a guy with a decade's-long reputation for being a defensive mastermind was so quickly dismissed my fans--in less than one season--as a bumbling buffoon.

Rex has always been a bumbling buffoon regarding everything but his defenses. He rightfully deserves criticism when literally his only positive is gone.

[The Big Cat]

Well that's what happens when you lose 9 games with a playoff team.

 

The 2015 Bills were neither a playoff team, previously or otherwise, nor did they lose nine games. Am I missing something?

 

Rex has always been a bumbling buffoon regarding everything but his defenses. He rightfully deserves criticism when literally his only positive is gone.

 

This ignores his ability to get the right pieces on offense this year. If you agree he did that, then also--as your post above suggests--believe that he is likely to get the D right (heh heh), then exactly how is he a buffoon in Buffalo?

[Mr. WEO]

 

It's tough to plead the case or at least have a meaningful discussion when a guy with a decade's-long reputation for being a defensive mastermind was so quickly dismissed my fans--in less than one season--as a bumbling buffoon.

 

 

He was considered a buffoon in NYJ before was fired. If you want to hang your hat on that he is a good DC, then fine. As a HC, he has for 5 years running, demonstrated a lack of skill for that job. He has looked buffoonish in Jersey and in Buffalo. How can you deny this?

 

And now you may concede Schwartz is in the list of awful candidates this year?

[The Big Cat]

 

 

He was considered a buffoon in NYJ before was fired. If you want to hang your hat on that he is a good DC, then fine. As a HC, he has for 5 years running, demonstrated a lack of skill for that job. He has looked buffoonish in Jersey and in Buffalo. How can you deny this?

 

And now you may concede Schwartz is in the list of awful candidates this year?

 

It's easy for any fan to say "he was considered a buffoon" since, invariably, an outraged sect of fans for every team, every year, believe their coach is a "buffoon."

Is Schwartz interviewing? Or are you fundamentally lost again?

[Mr. WEO]

 

If you read the back story on the Lovie Smith 86, it was arguably not a solid fire ....

 

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/1/7/10728474/lovie-smith-fired-buccaneers-dolphins-dirk-koetter

 

 

"The question now is why the Bucs 86'd Smith after just two seasons. A 6-10 record is nothing to brag about (unless you're Jeff Fisher), but it was an improvement over 2-14 last year. Worse, Tampa's defense has struggled, and Smith's speciality is on that side of the ball. Bucs Nation also points to some of the roster decisions under Smith, especially with free agents."

[Nanker]

I don't understand your position. It is perplexing. He was hired to coach the Bills roster. He wasn't hired to coach a future team and a different roster that at a later time would be more suitable to him. Do you think that in his interview for the job that the glib talking coach told his future bosses that his highly ranked defense had to be de-constructed because it didn't align with his philosophy? Of course not.

 

The fundamental job for coaches in all sports is to put their players in position to succeed. That entails devising a system that maximizes the players assets and minimizes their weaknesses. That is so basic and fundamental to the job.

 

 

 

 

Your statement and point is what I am lamenting about. Instead of adapting to what he had to work with he in essence sabotaged the season so at a later time he might be able to do a better job with a different set of players. That is not good coaching. That is stupid coaching. That doesn't even qualify as being mediocre.

 

You may not believe that I am being fair but I believe that I am more than being fair because I am basing my view on his record with the Jets (an extended tenure) and with his performance as a first year HC with Buffalo.

I'm not so sure about that at all. From some accounts coming out now, it was the players who along with the coaching staff were reading and buying in to all their press clippings and failed to put in the required work in OTA, and TC, and the Preseason to learn the new schemes and to put themselves in a position to win. All of them took it for granted (so it sounds like) that they were just sooooo talented and Rex's schemes were sooooo amazingly diabolical that they could just show up and play and get incredible results.

 

Trouble is, they did just that - just showed up and played and the results they got were incredibly BAD. Shame on the coaches, and shame on the players who ended up going through the motions for the most part of the year. Rex has to get some better football people on his staff and soon.

[Mr. WEO]

 

It's easy for any fan to say "he was considered a buffoon" since, invariably, an outraged sect of fans for every team, every year, believe their coach is a "buffoon."

Is Schwartz interviewing? Or are you fundamentally lost again?

 

 

Schwartz is available. You mentioned him.

 

Why were the fans outraged? Because he was such a sharp guy who kept a tight ship and never made a fool of himself in front of the press, his players of the fans?

 

You must be joking---no one is this disingenuous.

[The Big Cat]

 

 

Schwartz is available. You mentioned him.

 

Why were the fans outraged? Because he was such a sharp guy who kept a tight ship and never made a fool of himself in front of the press, his players of the fans?

 

You must be joking---no one is this disingenuous.

 

Schwartz is available just like Marv is. Nobody's calling him. By your logic, we should be mentioning me as a potential HC candidate too.

 

You've entirely backed up my previous statement as there are just as many Jets fans who don't share that belief about Rex and his time there and fully believe he was railroaded out of town thanks to a lousy roster/GM. I'm not denying that other Jets fans thought he was a tool. Quite the contrary, in fact.

 

So, again. It seems you're fundamentally lost in this conversation. OR you're willfully ignoring the points I've quite clearly made.

Edited January 7, 2016 by The Big Cat

[GunnerBill]

Rex has never been a buffoon defensively.... but it is surely fair to question whether his scheme might be a little outdated? It is a few years now since he has had a dominant defense (though he has had relatively decent ones) and when I look around the league I don't see many teams employing the Rex Ryan style of defense and certainly most of the successful teams are not.

[May Day 10]

It is of my opinion that the fail in this organization runs deep in the veins and Rex Ryan is just a symptom

 

'new management' was needed on the football side last October when Pegula took over, and informed decisions should have been made on every aspect this time last year.

 

 

Now, the team needs to remain in this direction with "continuity" as the catch phrase says. Let them sink or swim. If they succeed, great. If we are 2 years down the line and the team still isn't getting anywhere.... then maybe they can build the program.

 

Firing Rex wouldn't get them any closer, the same way firing anyone else (or resignations of HCs) never got them any closer.

[Utah John]

So the airline pilot comes over the intercom and tells the passengers, "The bad news is we're lost. The good news is we're making excellent time."

 

The football coach tells the media and the public, "The bad news is our team is a disorganized, leaderless mess that utterly failed to achieve its potential. The good news is I'm everyone's buddy so they like playing here and drawing big paychecks for showing up without working very hard."

 

Roman was an excellent hire and along with the better talent at QB, RB, and the O line has delivered much better offensive play.

 

Thurman is a joke. We need a real D coordinator. Thurman doesn't even get the plays called in on time.

 

The best option, not to reward Wrecks' failure, would have been to bring in an experienced HC like Hue Jackson and a real DC, such as Jim Schwartz. Or Mike Pettine now that he's available.

 

The argument that the available coaching pool is bereft of talent so we should be happy to keep Wrecks is about the worst case of damning by faint praise I've ever seen. Not a word about what a great job Wrecks did or how the team is really on track for the future. Nope, just bragging that those other losers are worse than our loser.

[The Big Cat]

Rex has never been a buffoon defensively.... but it is surely fair to question whether his scheme might be a little outdated? It is a few years now since he has had a dominant defense (though he has had relatively decent ones) and when I look around the league I don't see many teams employing the Rex Ryan style of defense and certainly most of the successful teams are not.

 

 

It is of my opinion that the fail in this organization runs deep in the veins and Rex Ryan is just a symptom

 

'new management' was needed on the football side last October when Pegula took over, and informed decisions should have been made on every aspect this time last year.

 

 

Now, the team needs to remain in this direction with "continuity" as the catch phrase says. Let them sink or swim. If they succeed, great. If we are 2 years down the line and the team still isn't getting anywhere.... then maybe they can build the program.

 

Firing Rex wouldn't get them any closer, the same way firing anyone else (or resignations of HCs) never got them any closer.

 

this was meant to be a thread about how lucky we are to not be scrambling to position ourselves in a high demand, low supply market.

 

but oh well.

 

GUNNER: people who say this about Rex's scheme completely ignore the fact that his GM basically gutted his roster

 

They had nobody to play corner last year.

 

And this board has been unending chicken v egg discussion about who's to blame for the disconnect with this year's roster. To issue a consensus would be bold, to say the least.

[BillsFan130]

I would take Lovie Smith right now!

Why? lol

[The Big Cat]

 

The argument that the available coaching pool is bereft of talent so we should be happy to keep Wrecks is about the worst case of damning by faint praise I've ever seen. Not a word about what a great job Wrecks did or how the team is really on track for the future. Nope, just bragging that those other losers are worse than our loser.

 

Nobody's making that argument. Nobody.

Why? lol

 

Because Bears from a decade ago!!

[BillsFan130]

Rex has never been a buffoon defensively.... but it is surely fair to question whether his scheme might be a little outdated? It is a few years now since he has had a dominant defense (though he has had relatively decent ones) and when I look around the league I don't see many teams employing the Rex Ryan style of defense and certainly most of the successful teams are not.

Very true about his defence being outdated. In the NFL it Is all about the quick short passing game and rex's defences usually don't do well against that because he likes to blitz and it takes too long to get there. A prime example was against the patriots in week 2, brady got the ball out in 2 seconds a lot of the time. No chance for the blitz to get there

[GunnerBill]

 

GUNNER: people who say this about Rex's scheme completely ignore the fact that his GM basically gutted his roster

 

They had nobody to play corner last year.

 

I understand the talent in New York was declining... but the point remains it is a few years since the Rex Ryan defense was dominant. I do note that in that time a lot of teams have moved away from the 46 origin defenses and the more traditional 4-3 has become more and more popular.

[Mr. WEO]

 

Schwartz is available just like Marv is. Nobody's calling him. By your logic, we should be mentioning me as a potential HC candidate too.

 

You've entirely backed up my previous statement as there are just as many Jets fans who don't share that belief about Rex and his time there and fully believe he was railroaded out of town thanks to a lousy roster/GM. I'm not denying that other Jets fans thought he was a tool. Quite the contrary, in fact.

 

So, again. It seems you're fundamentally lost in this conversation. OR you're willfully ignoring the points I've quite clearly made.

 

There is/was no groundswell of support for keeping Rex--in fact, he told his own team that he wouldn't survive past the 2013 season. Find a Jets fan who would want him back right now, let alone "just as many" who felt he was railroaded.

 

Your comments re: Schwartz are more obfuscation in order salvage this sinking thread which you continue to now insist doesn't claim what everyone can clearly read that it does.

 

 

 

 

this was meant to be a thread about how lucky we are to not be scrambling to position ourselves in a high demand, low supply market.

 

 

And as such, it has been shown to be a failure.

 

 

Nobody's making that argument. Nobody.

 

Because Bears from a decade ago!!

 

Despite your desperate efforts to claim otherwise, and as many here have pointed out, this is exactly the argument you are making.

 

The pool of candidates is no more awful than usual. Several here have pointed this out.

[FireChan]

 

The 2015 Bills were neither a playoff team, previously or otherwise, nor did they lose nine games. Am I missing something?

 

 

This ignores his ability to get the right pieces on offense this year. If you agree he did that, then also--as your post above suggests--believe that he is likely to get the D right (heh heh), then exactly how is he a buffoon in Buffalo?

Because coaching isn't just offense and defense. It's conduct, clock management etc etc. He's never been good at any of those things. The offense appears to be an aberration (not that I won't hold out for aberrations everywhere).

 

I don't believe anything is "likely" right now with Rex. He'll either find some scrap heap players who can execute his complex scheme and succeed or he won't and will fail yet again.

[The Big Cat]

 

I understand the talent in New York was declining... but the point remains it is a few years since the Rex Ryan defense was dominant. I do note that in that time a lot of teams have moved away from the 46 origin defenses and the more traditional 4-3 has become more and more popular.

 

And yet they were still top-10 last year and the year before.

 

 

There is/was no groundswell of support for keeping Rex--in fact, he told his own team that he wouldn't survive past the 2013 season. Find a Jets fan who would want him back right now, let alone "just as many" who felt he was railroaded.

 

Your comments re: Schwartz are more obfuscation in order salvage this sinking thread which you continue to now insist doesn't claim what everyone can clearly read that it does.

 

 

And as such, it has been shown to be a failure.

 

 

Despite your desperate efforts to claim otherwise, and as many here have pointed out, this is exactly the argument you are making.

 

The pool of candidates is no more awful than usual. Several here have pointed this out.

 

I'm not sure what sort of person you think I am that I need to vanquish notions of me posting some thoughts to the internet deemed by consistent naysayers as a 'failure.'

 

Perception is reality. This thread is about whatever responders choose to make it. That's the democratization of the internet. What it has become has no bearing on, nor is it any way an indictment of its intent, in spite of what you doggedly (to a bizarre extent) insist.

 

So, I'll tell you, flat out, one final time, what the intent of this thread was:

 

People calling for Rex's head, as I believe then, failed to see the forrest through the trees. Doesn't matter if it was Rex or Santa Claus. Ousting a coach after one year is flat dumb, and there isn't an intelligent mind in any realm of NFL commentary that would argue to the contrary. But we just HAD TO FIRE REX!

 

Well, we didn't.

 

If we had, that would make eight coaching vacancies. And while some here insist that there are some viable candidates, the supply falls short of the demand.

 

So, not only would we have made the short-sighted knee jerk reaction of firing a one-year coach (no matter who it was), we'd also now be competing for scarce resources to set down the already uncertain path of rebuilding --for the third time in four years-- a new system.

 

THAT was the intent of the OP. And I won't defend it further.

 

If you continue to interpret it differently, you have no other rationale short of willful ignorance.

Because coaching isn't just offense and defense. It's conduct, clock management etc etc. He's never been good at any of those things. The offense appears to be an aberration (not that I won't hold out for aberrations everywhere).

 

I don't believe anything is "likely" right now with Rex. He'll either find some scrap heap players who can execute his complex scheme and succeed or he won't and will fail yet again.

 

You're flatly wrong that clock management has been a problem. But okay.

[FireChan]

 

And yet they were still top-10 last year and the year before.

 

 

I'm not sure what sort of person you think I am that I need to vanquish notions of me posting some thoughts to the internet deemed by consistent naysayers as a 'failure.'

 

Perception is reality. This thread is about whatever responders choose to make it. That's the democratization of the internet. What it has become has no bearing on, nor is it any way an indictment of its intent, in spite of what you doggedly (to a bizarre extent) insist.

 

So, I'll tell you, flat out, one final time, what the intent of this thread was:

 

People calling for Rex's head, as I believe then, failed to see the forrest through the trees. Doesn't matter if it was Rex or Santa Claus. Ousting a coach after one year is flat dumb, and there isn't an intelligent mind in any realm of NFL commentary that would argue to the contrary. But we just HAD TO FIRE REX!

 

Well, we didn't.

 

If we had, that would make eight coaching vacancies. And while some here insist that there are some viable candidates, the supply falls short of the demand.

 

So, not only would we have made the short-sighted knee jerk reaction of firing a one-year coach (no matter who it was), we'd also now be competing for scarce resources to set down the already uncertain path of rebuilding --for the third time in four years-- a new system.

 

THAT was the intent of the OP. And I won't defend it further.

 

If you continue to interpret it differently, you have no other rationale short of willful ignorance.

 

You're flatly wrong that clock management has been a problem. But okay.

lol okay.