Gugny Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Wow I never seen that article & I am a big Piazza fan. Still I think there is a big difference using something you can get over the counter & the stuff Bonds & guys like that was using. HUGE difference. And to answer Beerball's question ... I think those who blatantly cheated - especially the ones who lied about it - will not get in. I think that percentages will go up little by little, but these guys are going to have to wait a very long time to get what they need to enter the hall. Piazza's "link" to steroids (not the GNC stuff in 2002) was nothing but speculation. Big guy, hit lots of homers ... of course that speculation will be there. But he was never on any "list," nor did he ever fail a test. That's why he got 83% of the vote and he's in the hall now. So I think guys like Piazza ...those who people "guess" took steroids, but never got caught ... those guys will have somewhat of an easier time garnering necessary votes. But let's not forget ... Piazza is arguably the greatest hitting catcher of all time with a .308 lifetime average whilst hitting for power. And the knocks on his defense are really not warranted. He was durable, professional and great at what he did. That's why he got in.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) One of my most favorite Mike Piazza (and overall sports) moments of all time: https://youtu.be/8B_OVDhQWYs edit: comeback game homerun against the Braves; listen to the roar of the crowd too. Edited January 7, 2016 by JR in Pittsburgh
26CornerBlitz Posted January 7, 2016 Author Posted January 7, 2016 Does Piazza "open the door" for suspected PEDers? It's not a deal breaker for me, but, it seemed to be for many writers. Let 'em in I say. @NBCSports Are Baseball Hall of Fame voters softening on PED users? @dpshow discusses: http://tw.nbcsports.com/Gzu
Gugny Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Let 'em in I say. @NBCSports Are Baseball Hall of Fame voters softening on PED users? @dpshow discusses: http://tw.nbcsports.com/Gzu Biggest douche in the entire world of sports. He should never get in. In my humble opinion. Edited January 7, 2016 by Gugny
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Because they most likely didn't vote for him for the simple reason that "no player has ever been unanimously elected." Does that seem to be a legit reason to you? The only reason I've ever heard given for these omissions, is that writers know the guy is going to get in with or without their vote, and given the crowding on the ballot these days, and the fact that they can only vote for 10 players, they use that spot to give a vote to a player they feel is deserving who needs more help than someone who they know will get more than 90% of the vote. Does Piazza "open the door" for suspected PEDers? It's not a deal breaker for me, but, it seemed to be for many writers. Clemens and Bonds received almost 50% of the vote this time around, and several writers have written articles about "why they changed their minds, and voted for Clemens and Bonds", so I'd say that yes, the winds are changing for them.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 7, 2016 Author Posted January 7, 2016 @BrentAxeMedia Mike Piazza will go into @BaseballHall as a NY Met. Griffey Jr. as a Mariner (no matter what direction his cap is) http://ow.ly/WLSrM
Nanker Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 I have very fond memories of piazza. Still remember watching his first game as a Met. He laced an opposite field triple. Biggest douche in the entire world of sports. He should never get in. In my humble opinion. My very favorite Mike Piazza moment was in the World Series game following his beaning when he first faced Clemens. Using a broken bat that exploded toward the mound on the first pitch he swung at, he started a near riot. Clemens will never be a Yankee to me.
KD in CA Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 My very favorite Mike Piazza moment was in the World Series game following his beaning when he first faced Clemens. Using a broken bat that exploded toward the mound on the first pitch he swung at, he started a near riot. Clemens will never be a Yankee to me. I still wish Piazza had picked up that bat and stabbed that !@#$ing scumbag Clemens in the neck with it.
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 I still wish Piazza had picked up that bat and stabbed that !@#$ing scumbag Clemens in the neck with it. Clemens would have beaten his ass.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 I still wish Piazza had picked up that bat and stabbed that !@#$ing scumbag Clemens in the neck with it. Haha; I wished for the same!
Rob's House Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) The baseball HOF is a joke. It was bad enough when they apparently slapped a morals clause on entry (God knows Ty Cobb and others wouldn't stand a chance with the estrogen based life forms that cast the ballots now), but when they shafted Dale Murphy that was it for me. Edited January 8, 2016 by Rob's House
Pete Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 I still wish Piazza had picked up that bat and stabbed that !@#$ing scumbag Clemens in the neck with it. Life is stranger than fiction. There was so much hype for that showdown. What are the odds of first pitch, bat splitting, roid rage? I am a big Yankees fan, and thought if Piazza charged the mound, the Mets would of ran to his defense, and it would have been a much different series. Once Piazza laid down, the Mets had no shot IMO Clemens would have beaten his ass. It would have been ugly. No one !@#$ed with Roger
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 The baseball HOF is a joke. It was bad enough when they apparently slapped a morals clause on entry (God knows Ty Cobb and others wouldn't stand a chance with the estrogen based life forms that cast the ballots now), but when they shafted Dale Murphy that was it for me.Someone always has to be the best player not to be in. Murphy is a pretty good line in the sand. It would have been ugly. No one !@#$ed with RogerI'm a life long, die hard, Sox fan. As a kid I used to sneak into the park with frequency. No one !@#$ed with Roger. Well, Rice sometimes, but Rice was a lunatic. Roger would have murdered Piazza.
Pete Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Someone always has to be the best player not to be in. Murphy is a pretty good line in the sand. I'm a life long, die hard, Sox fan. As a kid I used to sneak into the park with frequency. No one !@#$ed with Roger. Well, Rice sometimes, but Rice was a lunatic. Roger would have murdered Piazza. no one !@#$ed with Rice either. It is good advice not to !@#$ with a man that breaks a bat on a checked swing. Also, no one !@#$ed with Strawberry or Sheffield either. It is the Sabres hockey fan in me. I love enforcers in all sports. Carwell Gardner is one of my all time favorite Bills
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 no one !@#$ed with Rice either. It is good advice not to !@#$ with a man that breaks a bat on a checked swing. Also, no one !@#$ed with Strawberry or Sheffield either. It is the Sabres hockey fan in me. I love enforcers in all sports. Carwell Gardner is one of my all time favorite BillsFisk !@#$ed with Rice.
Pete Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Fisk !@#$ed with Rice. really? Rice did not give him a swirly at the very least? no one !@#$ed with Graig Nettles either
Gugny Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 The baseball HOF is a joke. It was bad enough when they apparently slapped a morals clause on entry (God knows Ty Cobb and others wouldn't stand a chance with the estrogen based life forms that cast the ballots now), but when they shafted Dale Murphy that was it for me. Dale Murphy's career stats were borderline HOF worthy at best, in my opinion. Lifetime .265 batting average with less than 400 HRs isn't going to cut it.
Beerball Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 The only reason I've ever heard given for these omissions, is that writers know the guy is going to get in with or without their vote, and given the crowding on the ballot these days, and the fact that they can only vote for 10 players, they use that spot to give a vote to a player they feel is deserving who needs more help than someone who they know will get more than 90% of the vote.OK, I'll ask again, are any of those legit reasons to not vote for the best? (Hint...the answer is "no")
26CornerBlitz Posted January 8, 2016 Author Posted January 8, 2016 Dale Murphy's career stats were borderline HOF worthy at best, in my opinion. Lifetime .265 batting average with less than 400 HRs isn't going to cut it. He was a very good player in his day, but definitely not Hall of Fame worthy.
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