Robert Woods

[Big C]

This was going to be almost my exact response. Woods was a high floor - low ceiling guy coming out. He is the same player that they drafted. A solid, contributing WR. Those people that thought that he was going to be ahead of Sammy on the depth chart were the ones that have soured on Woods. He doesn't have that level of talent. He is a pretty good football player. If he was the Bills 3rd best WR they would be in good shape.

 

Also, I agree with Bill's thoughts on the OL.

 

Agreed. I thought we had that situation where Woods was #3 as Harvin was #2. I think with the injuries Sammy and Percy sustained, plus Woods' groin thing, we never got to see all three of them out there at full-go (with maybe weeks 1 and 2 as the exception?). I know we want that bigger bodied guy too, but I would have liked to see that healthy trio, plus Hogan and Clay, out there down the stretch.

[NoSaint]

 

Agreed. I thought we had that situation where Woods was #3 as Harvin was #2. I think with the injuries Sammy and Percy sustained, plus Woods' groin thing, we never got to see all three of them out there at full-go (with maybe weeks 1 and 2 as the exception?). I know we want that bigger bodied guy too, but I would have liked to see that healthy trio, plus Hogan and Clay, out there down the stretch.

I think the roles can be a little overrated in thinking you need a speed guy, a size guy, a possession guy, and the feature guy

 

Even if you duplicate skill set and have 2 or 3 real speed guys, how many teams have corners deep enough to handle that? Really I think it's getting maximum talent on the roster and then creating a scheme that lets it shine. Ties through to the same arguments I make for BPA instead of need in the draft.

 

If healthy, I agree that trio would've been good with clay at TE to top it off, even though none are 6'6. The shiftiness and scrappiness permeating the group would be hard for a secondary to match up with.

Edited March 19, 2016 by NoSaint

[BarleyNY]

I think the roles can be a little overrated in thinking you need a speed guy, a size guy, a possession guy, and the feature guy

Even if you duplicate skill set and have 2 or 3 real speed guys, how many teams have corners deep enough to handle that? Really I think it's getting maximum talent on the roster and then creating a scheme that lets it shine. Ties through to the same arguments I make for BPA instead of need in the draft.

If healthy, I agree that trio would've been good with clay at TE to top it off, even though none are 6'6. The shiftiness and scrappiness permeating the group would be hard for a secondary to match up with.

To your point about having 2 or 3 speed guys, isn't that what this offense is designed for? The offense is primarily predicated on running and throwing deep. Obviously throws of all depths are part of the scheme, but it's the deep ball that takes pressure off of the run and the run that makes teams load the box only to get beat deep. The Bills aren't going to have two or three WRs who are the complete packages, but they have to have speed across the board at WR to pressure secondaries so the offense can run properly.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Woods is like Josh Reed.

Slow Girl?

That was Reed's nickname at LSU from what I'm told

[NoSaint]

To your point about having 2 or 3 speed guys, isn't that what this offense is designed for? The offense is primarily predicated on running and throwing deep. Obviously throws of all depths are part of the scheme, but it's the deep ball that takes pressure off of the run and the run that makes teams load the box only to get beat deep. The Bills aren't going to have two or three WRs who are the complete packages, but they have to have speed across the board at WR to pressure secondaries so the offense can run properly.

It seemed that was the goal with Sammy, Percy, Goodwin... And woods isn't slow. I know a lot of posters want the big body for the redzone but I think we are fine even if we add an agile guy that can get a step off the line and run away from a guy too.

[metzelaars_lives]

The OL is a top 10 unit though. There are some on this board that believe it is a weakness. It is actually a strength. I think that is his point.

Yes that was my point. And furthermore, people on this board are constantly saying stuff like "we just simply don't have that talented of a football team." Well prior to last season, more than one source that I saw (one was nfl.com) ranked the Bills as having the 1st or 2nd most talented roster outside of the QB position in the NFL. How many Bills made the NFL's top 100 players list last year- 5 or 6, right? Sorry some of you, but this team actually is very talented, deal with it. I know there's another thread for it but in my not so humble opinion, it's on the head coach to make this thing go. Like immediately.

 

And yes, Robert Woods is whatever. He's a quality #3 WR. They need another one. Everybody knows that. Do some of you realize just how good Sammy Watkins is and how lucky we are to have him on our football team? That I would question.

Edited March 19, 2016 by metzelaars_lives

[BuffaloBill]

Yes that was my point. And furthermore, people on this board are constantly saying stuff like "we just simply don't have that talented of a football team." Well prior to last season, more than one source that I saw (one was nfl.com) ranked the Bills as having the 1st or 2nd most talented roster outside of the QB position in the NFL. How many Bills made the NFL's top 100 players list last year- 5 or 6, right? Sorry some of you, but this team actually is very talented, deal with it. I know there's another thread for it but in my not so humble opinion, it's on the head coach to make this thing go. Like immediately.

 

And yes, Robert Woods is whatever. He's a quality #3 WR. They need another one. Everybody knows that. Do some of you realize just how good Sammy Watkins is and how lucky we are to have him on our football team? That I would question.

 

I agree with most of what you say other than the D front seven was not talented in the way Rex's scheme calls for. Injuries also really bit the Bills. IMO the remaining talent gaps listed in priority are:

 

DE (that fits the scheme)

ILB

S (this actually becomes a position of strength if Graham and Williams are healthy and stay healthy)

#2 WR

ORT (Henderson may be the answer if healthy)

Depth at QB

 

2 or 3 of these will be addressed in the draft - 2 could easily fall of the list if incumbents return healthy

[Kirby Jackson]

Yes that was my point. And furthermore, people on this board are constantly saying stuff like "we just simply don't have that talented of a football team." Well prior to last season, more than one source that I saw (one was nfl.com) ranked the Bills as having the 1st or 2nd most talented roster outside of the QB position in the NFL. How many Bills made the NFL's top 100 players list last year- 5 or 6, right? Sorry some of you, but this team actually is very talented, deal with it. I know there's another thread for it but in my not so humble opinion, it's on the head coach to make this thing go. Like immediately.

 

And yes, Robert Woods is whatever. He's a quality #3 WR. They need another one. Everybody knows that. Do some of you realize just how good Sammy Watkins is and how lucky we are to have him on our football team? That I would question.

They gave up too much to get him Edited March 19, 2016 by Kirby Jackson

[Manther]

Bills had a great set up in the beginning of the year with Woods as No. 3

IMO Woods is a great #3 because he can be a #2 when someone goes down. And, he still has upside.

[3rdand12]

They gave up too much to get him

well they did imo.

 

But like when your daughter marries, and you find out he really is a good man.

Nothing before that matters.

Sammy is Family. Love the Kid.

needs a haircut though !!

IMO Woods is a great #3 because he can be a #2 when someone goes down. And, he still has upside.

Lets see how he plays with TT a second year in. and the groin is healed.

till then, i reserve judgement

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

The OL is a top 10 unit though. There are some on this board that believe it is a weakness. It is actually a strength. I think that is his point.

I agree with Gunner's characterization of the ol which is not far from yours. I do think though that nobody else in the league would be more dangerous with an elite line than Greg Roman. And nobody else is more reliant on that unit whether it's elite or not.

 

The Bills offense is nothing like it was under gailey, when a limited but heady QB de emphasized line play with a quick passing game, sometimes throwing 40 times a game. Most of the league is going this way because rule changes have enabled it. The Bills offense is in 1970, limited in the short and intermediate passing game and sometimes throwing as little as 15 times in a game.

 

So my take, other teams may not be building monster offensive lines but they don't run the offense we do. Other teams may not be concerned with depth on the o line, but still I think we should be. Virtually nobody else is trying to win the same way we are. Jmo

[Manther]

He plays hard and is good when it comes to getting open. I like him as a slot or #3 WR. I think he adds more to this team than most might.

Agreed

[GunnerBill]

Yes that was my point. And furthermore, people on this board are constantly saying stuff like "we just simply don't have that talented of a football team." Well prior to last season, more than one source that I saw (one was nfl.com) ranked the Bills as having the 1st or 2nd most talented roster outside of the QB position in the NFL. How many Bills made the NFL's top 100 players list last year- 5 or 6, right? Sorry some of you, but this team actually is very talented, deal with it. I know there's another thread for it but in my not so humble opinion, it's on the head coach to make this thing go. Like immediately.

 

And yes, Robert Woods is whatever. He's a quality #3 WR. They need another one. Everybody knows that. Do some of you realize just how good Sammy Watkins is and how lucky we are to have him on our football team? That I would question.

 

I think most people on this board do think we have a talented team and do realise that in Dareus, Gilmore, Watkins, Glenn, McCoy we have a core of super talented, mostly young, players that almost every team in the league would want.

 

Of course there are posters who have particular disdain for one or more of the above, but I think the majority here think that is a strong base to build from. I also think the majority think we have a Quarterback who showed genuine promise last season. Do some people think the line is worse than it is? Probably.... but that's either because they don't realise the standard of o-line play around the league is not what it once was and our compared favourably in 2015 with many others and partly because I have always suspected most fan bases overrate skill guys and underrate their lines.

So my take, other teams may not be building monster offensive lines but they don't run the offense we do. Other teams may not be concerned with depth on the o line, but still I think we should be. Virtually nobody else is trying to win the same way we are. Jmo

 

I think there is some truth in this. Roman is the best run coordinator in the league and therefore having a line that is skilled enough and agile enough and can adjust to all the different blocking schemes that requires is more important for us than it is for other teams.

[3rdand12]

I agree with Gunner's characterization of the ol which is not far from yours. I do think though that nobody else in the league would be more dangerous with an elite line than Greg Roman. And nobody else is more reliant on that unit whether it's elite or not.

 

The Bills offense is nothing like it was under gailey, when a limited but heady QB de emphasized line play with a quick passing game, sometimes throwing 40 times a game. Most of the league is going this way because rule changes have enabled it. The Bills offense is in 1970, limited in the short and intermediate passing game and sometimes throwing as little as 15 times in a game.

 

So my take, other teams may not be building monster offensive lines but they don't run the offense we do. Other teams may not be concerned with depth on the o line, but still I think we should be. Virtually nobody else is trying to win the same way we are. Jmo

another fine post Aaron.

i am probably incorrect, but as the league design defenses against the passing game for years, and drafts accordingly, why wouldn't some team try to undermine that with a power run game?

Agreed

I am forced to agree also. kid does put the work in. waiting for his shot to shine.

This year he might.

 

I think most people on this board do think we have a talented team and do realise that in Dareus, Gilmore, Watkins, Glenn, McCoy we have a core of super talented, mostly young, players that almost every team in the league would want.

 

Of course there are posters who have particular disdain for one or more of the above, but I think the majority here think that is a strong base to build from. I also think the majority think we have a Quarterback who showed genuine promise last season. Do some people think the line is worse than it is? Probably.... but that's either because they don't realise the standard of o-line play around the league is not what it once was and our compared favourably in 2015 with many others and partly because I have always suspected most fan bases overrate skill guys and underrate their lines.

 

I think there is some truth in this. Roman is the best run coordinator in the league and therefore having a line that is skilled enough and agile enough and can adjust to all the different blocking schemes that requires is more important for us than it is for other teams.

another good post Bill.

Let Roman do what Roman does best.

I mean look at the guy. he exudes the attitude of grinding, a trench fighting mentality perhaps? Close combat like jiu jitsu until the weakness appears.Then throw it to Sammy

[reddogblitz]

Woods is like Josh Reed.

LOL

[YoloinOhio]

I have liked Woods since college. He was very polished route runner as a rookie, something that is pretty rare. Likely because he came from a pro style offense. Not sure how many people know that he was a 5 star recruit out of HS at Safety. He has A certain edge to him when he plays, which I appreciate. His blocking is outstanding. I do think he lacks explosiveness at times as a WR. I love him as a #3. As a #2 he's serviceable but someone you are always thinking it would be nice if you could upgrade to someone bigger or someone faster. I do think he's made some pretty impressive plays/catches in his time in buffalo. He would be in the Marvin jones category IMO if he had consistently good QB play his first 3 years.

Edited March 20, 2016 by YoloinOhio

[3rdand12]

I have liked Woods since college. He was very polished route runner as a rookie, something that is pretty rare. Likely because he came from a pro style offense. Not sure how many people know that he was a 5 star recruit out of HS at Safety. He has A certain edge to him when he plays, which I appreciate. His blocking is outstanding. I do think he lacks explosiveness at times as a WR. I love him as a #3. As a #2 he's serviceable but someone you are always thinking it would be nice if you could upgrade to someone bigger or someone faster. I do think he's made some pretty impressive plays/catches in his time in buffalo. He would be in the Marvin jones category IMO if he had consistently good QB play his first 3 years.

QB ing so much defines the receiver.

[fansince88]

I just started cutting Woods. Got 18 cord to go,

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

 

i am probably incorrect, but as the league design defenses against the passing game for years, and drafts accordingly, why wouldn't some team try to undermine that with a power run game?

 

I like your thinking, cutting against the grain as it were. The upside of going against trend.

 

Other teams are still pounding the rock of course but we do it with a throwback sort of conviction, even a debatable amount of dependence. which still works I think when its done as well as Greg does it.

 

I think most people on this board do think we have a talented team and do realise that in Dareus, Gilmore, Watkins, Glenn, McCoy we have a core of super talented, mostly young, players that almost every team in the league would want.

 

Of course there are posters who have particular disdain for one or more of the above, but I think the majority here think that is a strong base to build from. I also think the majority think we have a Quarterback who showed genuine promise last season. Do some people think the line is worse than it is? Probably.... but that's either because they don't realise the standard of o-line play around the league is not what it once was and our compared favourably in 2015 with many others and partly because I have always suspected most fan bases overrate skill guys and underrate their lines.

 

I think there is some truth in this. Roman is the best run coordinator in the league and therefore having a line that is skilled enough and agile enough and can adjust to all the different blocking schemes that requires is more important for us than it is for other teams.

 

Agreed

 

I have liked Woods since college. He was very polished route runner as a rookie, something that is pretty rare. Likely because he came from a pro style offense. Not sure how many people know that he was a 5 star recruit out of HS at Safety. He has A certain edge to him when he plays, which I appreciate. His blocking is outstanding. I do think he lacks explosiveness at times as a WR. I love him as a #3. As a #2 he's serviceable but someone you are always thinking it would be nice if you could upgrade to someone bigger or someone faster. I do think he's made some pretty impressive plays/catches in his time in buffalo. He would be in the Marvin jones category IMO if he had consistently good QB play his first 3 years.

Agreed. He's got heart. Not great after the catch. Serviceable 2, quality #3. I still wonder if he can do a little more work downfield than we've seen so far.

Edited March 20, 2016 by Aaron

[gr8billsfan]

This is what I think.

 

Let him run the #2 spot, or slot. I prefer the slot because of his size. We need a big guy, let's say 6 foot 4 or so who has great football judgment.

 

I think Woods is a #3 guy, who'd shine against a 3rd DB.