SJDK Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 He is "good". However, not a guy who even meets Stevie Johnsons level. He's the second best that we have but we need to look at the bengals receivers or Josh Gordan / martavious Bryant type guys and keep woods at a reasonable price. There are much better athletes out there for a number 2.
BarleyNY Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Interesting take on Woods being a utility WR... I think he's a solid #2 or Z receiver, more of a possession receiver at this point, but can handle many different responsibilities throughout the core, it would be interesting to see what he could do as a Y. His blocking and quickness are suited best there IMO, he certainly needs to work on his YAC, but I think he's under rated in general as people are putting too much into 2015 production without looking into relevant factors. IMO Woods is a quality Z. You dont think Watkins is an X receiver? I do think Woods next contract will be an issue, it'll be interesting to see how the Bills value him. As for replacing him, thats going to be tough, this draft is nothing like that last two when it comes to WR talent, Treadwell is likely gone by 19 and do you take a WR in the 1st if your Buffalo? Coleman is likely faster than Woods, but not the blocker or route runner Woods is. Thomas isnt fast in general, or as quick in his breaks, but has the size and leaping ability Woods lacks, Doctson is similar to Thomas, after that IMO there isnt really anyone who is or has that much potential to be a better overall player than Woods, and even the guys I mentioned have as many if not more warts than Woods does. Buffalo has cap issue's, so FA is not much of a factor in a significant upgrade. I would agree that the Bills are several receivers away from pushing Woods off this team. Watkins can play the X (wide, on the line) but I prefer him to be a Z (wide, off the line). Sorry, I mixed up Y (slot) & Z in my post. I don't like him on the line like an X where he would take more punishment due to his injury/durability issues. Also I prefer to see him to run a varied route tree rather than be predominantly deep threat. Woods can be a solid WR, but he's not the deep threat opposite Watkins that the Bills need. Watkins has been very effective except when double teamed (CB bumping, safety almost directly over the top keying on him) and that's where Woods is an issue. He can't pull coverage away. The Bills desperately need a player that can get deep and stress defenses by making them worry about two deep threats. Otherwise Watkins can be neutralized. See the KC game. First half - late safety help; second half - safety over the top keyed on him. 176 yards, 0 yards. The Bills went after Harvin to be that deep threat in the short term despite his lack of size and past issues. It showed how desperate they were to fill that void. If I could add one (non-elite QB) player to the Bills roster it'd be a quality X with size and speed. As for Woods, he is not a bad player. I just don't see him as a fit for what the Bills need. After 2016 he's likely to find another team where he brings more value than he does to the Bills, though. Edited January 20, 2016 by BarleyNY
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Watkins can play the X (wide, on the line) but I prefer him to be a Z (wide, off the line). Sorry, I mixed up Y (slot) & Z in my post. I don't like him on the line like an X where he would take more punishment due to his injury/durability issues. Also I prefer to see him to run a varied route tree rather than be predominantly deep threat. Woods can be a solid WR, but he's not the deep threat opposite Watkins that the Bills need. Watkins has been very effective except when double teamed (CB bumping, safety almost directly over the top keying on him) and that's where Woods is an issue. He can't pull coverage away. The Bills desperately need a player that can get deep and stress defenses by making them worry about two deep threats. Otherwise Watkins can be neutralized. See the KC game. First half - late safety help; second half - safety over the top keyed on him. 176 yards, 0 yards. The Bills went after Harvin to be that deep threat in the short term despite his lack of size and past issues. It showed how desperate they were to fill that void. If I could add one (non-elite QB) player to the Bills roster it'd be a quality X with size and speed. As for Woods, he is not a bad player. I just don't see him as a fit for what the Bills need. After 2016 he's likely to find another team where he brings more value than he does to the Bills, though. why don't you see him as a fit for what we need? We are a running team. Running teams need WRs that can block. Woods is our best blocking receiver. So woods is exactly what we need. The guy has one down year on a team that might throw the ball 20 times a game and also played with a torn groin most of the season while still getting open and everyone wants him gone. You people are nuts. Edited January 20, 2016 by Not at the table Karlos
John from Riverside Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 The business with the groin injury all year makes me want to keep Robert......but we need to add another quality WR to this mix.
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) The business with the groin injury all year makes me want to keep Robert......but we need to add another quality WR to this mix. agreed. After Sammy and woods we have pretty much nothing. Edited January 20, 2016 by Not at the table Karlos
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 agreed. After Sammy and woods we have pretty much nothing. True - but we just signed a bunch of league min guys - i expect that was to compete for spots 3-5. Assume Easley starts on PUP. I don't think we go after any WR in FA, and it'd be a mistake to use a 1st or 2nd when we have holes elsewhere.
OldTimer1960 Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 It's good to have guys like Woods on a team. He works hard, knows his responsibilities and has adequate (or better) NFL talent across the board, but he's never going to be a stud. The problems occur when you either overpay for such a player or that player is your expected starter for the season. Guys like Woods are there to push the youngsters with more talent, step in when they're needed and show the value of dedication to their craft. Boy, I think that Woods is much better than just a guy "to push more talented youngsters". why don't you see him as a fit for what we need? We are a running team. Running teams need WRs that can block. Woods is our best blocking receiver. So woods is exactly what we need. The guy has one down year on a team that might throw the ball 20 times a game and also played with a torn groin most of the season while still getting open and everyone wants him gone. You people are nuts. I agree - Woods is good!Comparable to Josh Reed as far as overall impact goes. OK to have around as depth I guess,but I don't think he sees another contract. I think he is better than Josh Reed was
Prickly Pete Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Woods is okay, I don't want to get rid of him, just push him back to #3. The thing is, he hasn't been good enough to take advantage of the space Watkins creates for him. While they may not need another "#1" receiver (that would be a big boost, though), they do need someone that can step up when defenses concentrate on Watkins. Woods has proven that he isn't that guy.
PO16FFS Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 on the all-22, Felton missed a block and he had a guy coming at him. He slowed down because he literally had nowhere to go. One play though... Good thing teams don't make personnel decisions based on one play. Or maybe they should keep him simply because of one of his circus catches or one of his TDs. One play. Torn groin all season. Smh. The team does indeed watch film. So WHY DA PHOCK IS THIS TEAM GIVING A LONG RUNNING PLAY TO A PLAYER WITH A TORN GROIN? People on here are happy that he played with a torn groin. HES TOUGH! Newsflash, he had a terrible year and it didnt help the Bills any now did it? Lets look at HOGAN. He played with an injured hand. How did that turn out? Man, the Koolaid drinkers on here are over the top in love with anyone who wears a Bills Jersey.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Woods is okay, I don't want to get rid of him, just push him back to #3. The thing is, he hasn't been good enough to take advantage of the space Watkins creates for him. While they may not need another "#1" receiver (that would be a big boost, though), they do need someone that can step up when defenses concentrate on Watkins. Woods has proven that he isn't that guy. He might be a good fit in the slot honestly. He's certainly not fast, but he can block and has pretty solid hands. We aren't signing a #2, and its tough to draft someone in the later rounds and have them contribute. I expect one of the guys we signed to try and take the job from hogan. So WHY DA PHOCK IS THIS TEAM GIVING A LONG RUNNING PLAY TO A PLAYER WITH A TORN GROIN? People on here are happy that he played with a torn groin. HES TOUGH! Newsflash, he had a terrible year and it didnt help the Bills any now did it? Lets look at HOGAN. He played with an injured hand. How did that turn out? Man, the Koolaid drinkers on here are over the top in love with anyone who wears a Bills Jersey. Who should we get to replace him? Draft someone in the first 2 rounds and continue to have the worst tackling LBs in the league, and 0 pass rush?
CommonCents Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Considering Pittsburgh has drafted 0 WRs on their roster in the first round - and their defense went from worst to respectable. My guess is they've been drafting Defense in the first round the past few years. Brown - 6th round Wheaton - 3rd round Bryant - 4th round Coates - 3rd round Heyward-bey - 1st rounder but a bust, and not by Pitt Pitt is the model on drafting WR. If I remember correctly they also drafted Sanders the same year they got AB. Coates was awesome at Auburn and looked sharp in limited action this past Sunday. Plenty of mid-late round value to be found at WR, folks need to stop clamoring for another first round WR. Draft a guy in rounds 3-5 who can be a viable #2 option. Hopefully the scouting department expanded this past year and we can now draft players outside the ACC.
PO16FFS Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 He might be a good fit in the slot honestly. He's certainly not fast, but he can block and has pretty solid hands. We aren't signing a #2, and its tough to draft someone in the later rounds and have them contribute. I expect one of the guys we signed to try and take the job from hogan. Who should we get to replace him? Draft someone in the first 2 rounds and continue to have the worst tackling LBs in the league, and 0 pass rush? Seems to me we had some pash rush for a few years with these same players?
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Seems to me we had some pash rush for a few years with these same players? Looking at it - Dareus came into camp fat. KW was hurt all year, MW is gone, PB regressed, Bradham was hurt all year. Lawson and Hughes played pretty well for stretches, but you don't get a front 7 out of 2 guys.
PO16FFS Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Looking at it - Dareus came into camp fat. KW was hurt all year, MW is gone, PB regressed, Bradham was hurt all year. Lawson and Hughes played pretty well for stretches, but you don't get a front 7 out of 2 guys. This team has been such a mess for almost two decades. I want another receiver to be with Watkins but fully understand the defensive side of things.
Prickly Pete Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 He might be a good fit in the slot honestly. He's certainly not fast, but he can block and has pretty solid hands. We aren't signing a #2, and its tough to draft someone in the later rounds and have them contribute. I expect one of the guys we signed to try and take the job from hogan. Who should we get to replace him? Draft someone in the first 2 rounds and continue to have the worst tackling LBs in the league, and 0 pass rush? How do you know?
bobobonators Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Look at it this way. What is Robert Woods capable of? Last year he put up 699yds; 5TD's. Considering he's 23yrs old and in the thick of his prime, I'd say he can still do better. Lets look at other #2 WR's on playoff teams: Bengals' Marvin Jones: 816; 4TD's Pitt's Wheaton: 749; 5 TD's Texans' Cecil Shorts: 484; 2 TD's Chiefs' Albert Wilson: 451; 2 TD's Skins' Garcon: 777; 6TD's Packers' D. Adams: 446; 3TD's Panthers' T. Ginn Jr. as the #1 this season: 739; 10TD's; or Corey Brown as the #2: 447; 4TD Cardinals Floyd: 849; 6TD's Woods' numbers last season are right there with almost all of these #2's around the league (and Woods played on a bad team, not a playoff team with HOF's passing him the ball)...same thing applies to Atlanta, Dallas, etc. Again, he's 23yrs old and his arrow can still point up. For people that claim they want an upgrade over Woods: where is that "upgrade" coming from? Furthermore, in this run-first offense with a superstar #1 WR in Sammy Watkins, just how many chances do you think this new #2 is going to actually get?
seq004 Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 I think he's really good and about to turn the corner because he was just inconsistent this year unlike his 2014 year when he was making clutch catches. He plays better with an attitude.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Look at it this way. What is Robert Woods capable of? Last year he put up 699yds; 5TD's. Considering he's 23yrs old and in the thick of his prime, I'd say he can still do better. Lets look at other #2 WR's on playoff teams: Bengals' Marvin Jones: 816; 4TD's Pitt's Wheaton: 749; 5 TD's Texans' Cecil Shorts: 484; 2 TD's Chiefs' Albert Wilson: 451; 2 TD's Skins' Garcon: 777; 6TD's Packers' D. Adams: 446; 3TD's Panthers' T. Ginn Jr. as the #1 this season: 739; 10TD's; or Corey Brown as the #2: 447; 4TD Cardinals Floyd: 849; 6TD's Woods' numbers last season are right there with almost all of these #2's around the league (and Woods played on a bad team, not a playoff team with HOF's passing him the ball)...same thing applies to Atlanta, Dallas, etc. Again, he's 23yrs old and his arrow can still point up. For people that claim they want an upgrade over Woods: where is that "upgrade" coming from? Furthermore, in this run-first offense with a superstar #1 WR in Sammy Watkins, just how many chances do you think this new #2 is going to actually get? Shorts already got paid, jones and floyd are going to this year. We can't afford either - because both end up on teams that need a WR1, or they never hit FA.
John from Riverside Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Woods is okay, I don't want to get rid of him, just push him back to #3. The thing is, he hasn't been good enough to take advantage of the space Watkins creates for him. While they may not need another "#1" receiver (that would be a big boost, though), they do need someone that can step up when defenses concentrate on Watkins. Woods has proven that he isn't that guy. This is the problem.... When Sammy Watkins doesnt play....it seems like NONE of these guys can get open on any kind of consistant basis.....not Woods....not Harvin.....Clay a little bit That cannot happen....the #2 of a team has to be able to come in and make a big contribution when the number 1 WR does not play
Prickly Pete Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) This is the problem.... When Sammy Watkins doesnt play....it seems like NONE of these guys can get open on any kind of consistant basis.....not Woods....not Harvin.....Clay a little bit That cannot happen....the #2 of a team has to be able to come in and make a big contribution when the number 1 WR does not play Yep. Perhaps there are people that think the offense is fine? Or they just need a lineman or 2. I think it is just getting to "acceptable", and a WR a couple notches above Woods will make the most difference. I think the line play was better than the WR play. Short of a new QB, what would make this offense better? Edited January 20, 2016 by HoF Watkins
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