jumbalaya Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 - Gay for KO's - Carpenter for FGs - unknown for PATs
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Actually I do think all this talk (not that I'm in disagreement mind you) about we need to draft a QB of the future and also bring in an experienced vet backup likely could mean the end of Carpenter. If you draft anyone higher than the 3rd round, (maybe even the 4th) if you were to cut him at the end of Training camp with plans to move him to the PS, would be a very good chance someone else claims him. So you'd need to keep him active which means 3 roster spots for QB. In doing that can't see anyway we could afford the extra spot for Gay. So would need to find a new picker whom can also kickoff. Even without carrying theee QB's a good chance Carp is gone, but the QB moves could seal it for him.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Cutting Carp mid-season was a dumb idea, but bringing in kickers to camp is not. That will happen.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 It's incredible that Carpenter missed 6 PATS. But he was also 23-27 on FGs and didn't miss a huge one that hurt us I don't think. Obviously he can hit 33 yarders with ease and it was a mind thing. I think we should bring in competition but not just get rid of him
GunnerBill Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 I have just said in the shoutbox... I am watching the Cardinals game and the Cardinals kicker has now missed 5 extra points this season - Carpenter has missed 6. Yet the Card kicker has missed just 3 FGs... Carpenter just 4. What is it about the extra point (which is still a short field goal in the context of some FG attempts) that is in kickers' minds?
Jamie Nails Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Carp hit a clutch kick when it was needed today. But he's been beyond frustrating. I think they open up a competition rather than outright cut him in the offseason
dave mcbride Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Agree with Dog. 23-27 is very good. The pat thing is just weird.
GunnerBill Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Agree with Dog. 23-27 is very good. The pat thing is just weird. And not unique to DC. It is happening to other decent kickers around the league.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 And not unique to DC. It is happening to other decent kickers around the league. A couple weeks ago there was a stat that said the top 5 kickers in the league, collectively, had not missed even one FG under 39 yards. And yet had missed 14 PATs.
GunnerBill Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 A couple weeks ago there was a stat that said the top 5 kickers in the league, collectively, had not missed even one FG under 39 yards. And yet had missed 14 PATs. It is baffling isn't it?
eSJayDee Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Actually, I would contend that 23-27 (~85%) is mediocre at best these days. Granted, it depends on distance, but I'd say the benchmark these days is 90%. Anything less than that, & your job is in jeopardy. I'm not advocating cutting him outright w/o competition, but given that he also doesn't kickoff, they definitely need to bring in someone that can/should take his job away. I suppose there's also hope that Gay can improve his accuracy/consistency to the point where he might be a viable option for all kicking duties as well.
GunnerBill Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) Actually, I would contend that 23-27 (~85%) is mediocre at best these days. Granted, it depends on distance, but I'd say the benchmark these days is 90%. Anything less than that, & your job is in jeopardy. I'm not advocating cutting him outright w/o competition, but given that he also doesn't kickoff, they definitely need to bring in someone that can/should take his job away. I suppose there's also hope that Gay can improve his accuracy/consistency to the point where he might be a viable option for all kicking duties as well. One of his misses was a long try early in the season - at Miami I think.... 54/55 yards.... that isn't a gimme. 2 of the other 3 FG misses hit the upright. His field goal kicking has been generally decent. Competition will be brought in and Carpenter's contract probably goes against him as well for a team tight to the cap. They might well draft one in the 6th or 7th round. Edited January 3, 2016 by GunnerBill
sullim4 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 I have defended Carpenter in previous threads, but I think with the season over with, it is time to bring in some competition for this spot. If the 'best available kicker' is still around in the 6th, I would not mind spending a pick to improve that position. I despise everything about Belichick, but he is right in putting a lot of importance on this position.
MarkAF43 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) Actually, I would contend that 23-27 (~85%) is mediocre at best these days. Granted, it depends on distance, but I'd say the benchmark these days is 90%. Anything less than that, & your job is in jeopardy. I'm not advocating cutting him outright w/o competition, but given that he also doesn't kickoff, they definitely need to bring in someone that can/should take his job away. I suppose there's also hope that Gay can improve his accuracy/consistency to the point where he might be a viable option for all kicking duties as well.How many kickers are above 90%? If that's the benchmark, how many teams have that going their way? I just looked it up. 7 teams are above 90% on field goals. I wouldn't consider that a league wide benchmark. Edited January 3, 2016 by MarkAF43
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 I have just said in the shoutbox... I am watching the Cardinals game and the Cardinals kicker has now missed 5 extra points this season - Carpenter has missed 6. Yet the Card kicker has missed just 3 FGs... Carpenter just 4. What is it about the extra point (which is still a short field goal in the context of some FG attempts) that is in kickers' minds?Letting their emotions getting the best of them? Maybe some are frustrated that the NFL voted to make their job harder? PAT's were an automatic, not so much anymore.
GunnerBill Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 For context - Carpenter ranks 20/31 qualified FG kickers in terms of % made. He ranks 29/31 in PAT % made.
frogger Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Ready for this, praise for Dan Fouts.... He was right when he said Buffalo has the perfect offense for goal line...if we converted 51% of the times out of a 100 tries...that's 2 more points than 100% of extra points. That being said I thought they should have gone for 2 on that side of the field.
sullim4 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Teams sorted by XP percentage. Bills are #30: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/#kicking::18
Freddie's Dead Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 It's incredible that Carpenter missed 6 PATS. But he was also 23-27 on FGs and didn't miss a huge one that hurt us I don't think. Obviously he can hit 33 yarders with ease and it was a mind thing. I think we should bring in competition but not just get rid of him KC game.
Momma Pecoraro Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 He must have the record for kicks that hit the upright - should get a half point for that.
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