John from Riverside Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 The problem HOF Watkins is that your not a NFL Talent evaluator and dont have a clue how Hogan is gonna due on the NFL level..... because MOST QBs fail (there might not be a single QB regardless of what round selected that ends up being a franchise qb) I am quite sure you sit on your perch and feel safe denouncing Hogan. Your chances of being proven wrong are not very good. The problem is the other side of the arguement. I am looking for a QB that can be groomed as a backup that does not take a premium pick to get......there are better players in rounds 1 - 3 that can make more immediate and needed contributions to this team......and in my opinion Hogan is a 4th round type guy. Im not married to Hogan.....another QB will do...but Hogan DOES bring some things to the table - Ran a pro offense - Smart - Athletic His may very well be near his ceiling....or maybe he is not. The bills have been following him very closely and will know better. Dont want him any earlier then the 4th round
Prickly Pete Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) The problem HOF Watkins is that your not a NFL Talent evaluator and dont have a clue how Hogan is gonna due on the NFL level..... Good thing we have you here, Hemet John! Which team do you work for? Edited April 25, 2016 by HoF Watkins
ALF Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) Kirk Cousins 4th rd pick 102 after taking RG3 #2 Tyrod Taylor 6th rd pick 180 , there are no sure things in a lottery Taking a couple years to develop a QB looks like the key to success Edited April 25, 2016 by ALF
machine gun kelly Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Agreed. Hogan, seems to be logical, but I'm fine with anyone in the 4th or later. I wouldn't want Prescott, or Hackenberg. I'm also not enamored with Jones. He just reminds me of a Jeff George who has a cannon of an arm, but makes bad decisions. Then again, I'm not an NFL scout so what do I know.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Vernon Adams endorses Vernon Adams as the second-best QB in draft The former Oregon quarterback believes the effects of his 5-foot-11 height is exaggerated.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 @MikeGarafolo Vernon Adams continuing to say he's the No. 2 QB in the draft. On @dpshow, on him vs Goff: "There's nothing he's doing I can't do." @nfldraftscout @MikeGarafolo Gotta love his confidence. @MikeGarafolo @nfldraftscout You catch that interview just now? He's fired up. If nothing else, he sounds determined to show some people up.
3rdand12 Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Kirk Cousins 4th rd pick 102 after taking RG3 #2 Tyrod Taylor 6th rd pick 180 , there are no sure things in a lottery Taking a couple years to develop a QB looks like the key to success That's the key, but so many teams cannot wait. Hope the Bills find a QB who they know needs time but also think he has a starter ceiling. The RG3 and Cousins i thought was crazy at the time. Now it looks very smart, to me
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 The problem HOF Watkins is that your not a NFL Talent evaluator and dont have a clue how Hogan is gonna due on the NFL level..... because MOST QBs fail (there might not be a single QB regardless of what round selected that ends up being a franchise qb) I am quite sure you sit on your perch and feel safe denouncing Hogan. Your chances of being proven wrong are not very good. The problem is the other side of the arguement. I am looking for a QB that can be groomed as a backup that does not take a premium pick to get......there are better players in rounds 1 - 3 that can make more immediate and needed contributions to this team......and in my opinion Hogan is a 4th round type guy. Im not married to Hogan.....another QB will do...but Hogan DOES bring some things to the table - Ran a pro offense - Smart - Athletic His may very well be near his ceiling....or maybe he is not. The bills have been following him very closely and will know better. Dont want him any earlier then the 4th round I have to admit to not being a big Hogan guy at the beginning of this process... I've changed my opinion on him...And it's not just me...I think when you take the time to look at him, and what he's accomplished on the field...It's hard to ignore...When I was watching the RSP Scouting Film on Hogan Matt Waldman pretty much mirrored my initial thoughts on him...Career back-up... But after watching his tape, Waldman came away thinking better of Hogan...And so have I...And I do think he's a guy you can wait a little bit on... The one thing I've noticed about Hogan is his pocket presence...He's not afraid to step up and take a hit in order to deliver the ball...He does not rattle easily...And I think this is such a key trait in an NFL QB...After you get the accuracy (over 65% in his last 2 years combined) and arm ability checked off (Hogan's arm is passable...Not the best but certainly good enough...) the next most important trait in a NFL QB, IMHO, is the ability to stand tall in the pocket and take the hit in order to deliver the ball...You see so many of these College kids come in looking great...Then they get knocked around a bit and wilt...And then it's over...I think Hogan is a tough-guy QB...He's a winner...He's smart (reported 38 on the Wonderlic), and he's coming out of a Pro system...His arm delivery is a little weird, but it's not a wind-up...he gets rid of it fast enough...And he's definitely athletic enough... I've gone from wincing at the thought of Hogan to actually hoping the Bills Draft him...That's a long way to come... https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/10/06/stanford-qb-david-hogan-a-study-in-pocket-presence/
mannc Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 I have to admit to not being a big Hogan guy at the beginning of this process... I've changed my opinion on him...And it's not just me...I think when you take the time to look at him, and what he's accomplished on the field...It's hard to ignore...When I was watching the RSP Scouting Film on Hogan Matt Waldman pretty much mirrored my initial thoughts on him...Career back-up... But after watching his tape, Waldman came away thinking better of Hogan...And so have I...And I do think he's a guy you can wait a little bit on... The one thing I've noticed about Hogan is his pocket presence...He's not afraid to step up and take a hit in order to deliver the ball...He does not rattle easily...And I think this is such a key trait in an NFL QB...After you get the accuracy (over 65% in his last 2 years combined) and arm ability checked off (Hogan's arm is passable...Not the best but certainly good enough...) the next most important trait in a NFL QB, IMHO, is the ability to stand tall in the pocket and take the hit in order to deliver the ball...You see so many of these College kids come in looking great...Then they get knocked around a bit and wilt...And then it's over...I think Hogan is a tough-guy QB...He's a winner...He's smart (reported 38 on the Wonderlic), and he's coming out of a Pro system...His arm delivery is a little weird, but it's not a wind-up...he gets rid of it fast enough...And he's definitely athletic enough... I've gone from wincing at the thought of Hogan to actually hoping the Bills Draft him...That's a long way to come... https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/10/06/stanford-qb-david-hogan-a-study-in-pocket-presence/ Same here. Living on the West Coast, I have probably seen 25 Stanford games the past four years. I was not a Hogan fan after his first two years at Stanford, but he has improved a lot. I really like his toughness and the fact that he has thick, sturdy body that is able to take punishment. And I like his mobility/running ability, which I think is underrated. He would be a very good mid-round pickup for the Bills, or just about any team, for that matter.
3rdand12 Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 I have to admit to not being a big Hogan guy at the beginning of this process... I've changed my opinion on him...And it's not just me...I think when you take the time to look at him, and what he's accomplished on the field...It's hard to ignore...When I was watching the RSP Scouting Film on Hogan Matt Waldman pretty much mirrored my initial thoughts on him...Career back-up... But after watching his tape, Waldman came away thinking better of Hogan...And so have I...And I do think he's a guy you can wait a little bit on... The one thing I've noticed about Hogan is his pocket presence...He's not afraid to step up and take a hit in order to deliver the ball...He does not rattle easily...And I think this is such a key trait in an NFL QB...After you get the accuracy (over 65% in his last 2 years combined) and arm ability checked off (Hogan's arm is passable...Not the best but certainly good enough...) the next most important trait in a NFL QB, IMHO, is the ability to stand tall in the pocket and take the hit in order to deliver the ball...You see so many of these College kids come in looking great...Then they get knocked around a bit and wilt...And then it's over...I think Hogan is a tough-guy QB...He's a winner...He's smart (reported 38 on the Wonderlic), and he's coming out of a Pro system...His arm delivery is a little weird, but it's not a wind-up...he gets rid of it fast enough...And he's definitely athletic enough... I've gone from wincing at the thought of Hogan to actually hoping the Bills Draft him...That's a long way to come... https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/10/06/stanford-qb-david-hogan-a-study-in-pocket-presence/ Takes a big Man to admit such things. Well done, even if you are wrong. I have no idea who the QB should be, but Bills should pick one. Nothing wrong with a change of heart.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 @MikeGarafolo Vernon Adams continuing to say he's the No. 2 QB in the draft. On @dpshow, on him vs Goff: "There's nothing he's doing I can't do." @nfldraftscout @MikeGarafolo Gotta love his confidence. @MikeGarafolo @nfldraftscout You catch that interview just now? He's fired up. If nothing else, he sounds determined to show some people up.
John from Riverside Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 If Vernon Adams is not drafted I really hope he is a get for the bills after the draft.
Blokestradamus Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Bit of a long read on Matt Johnson of Bowling Green. I really love this guy, constantly told he'd never make it. http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/04/as_nfl_draft_approaches_bishop.html
YoloinOhio Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) Lots of smoke out there about the Bills and Hackenberg He doesn't seem to fit Roman's offense in terms of mobility Edited April 25, 2016 by YoloinOhio
26CornerBlitz Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 @TBNSports .@TyDunne has the QBs to keep an eye on in the #2016NFLDraft. His top 10: http://galleries.buffalonews.com/default.aspx?id=5992#/0
26CornerBlitz Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 @WGR550 CAPACCIO: Addressing Bills 1st round QB rumors, and Taylor's contract quandary: http://www.wgr550.com/CAPACCIO-Addressing-Bills-1st-round-QB-rumors-and-/22700747
That's No Moon Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 Lots of smoke out there about the Bills and Hackenberg He doesn't seem to fit Roman's offense in terms of mobility Or deliver an accurate football. No, just no.
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