26CornerBlitz Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 @TyDunne Cerebral Kevin Hogan could be the best fit for the #Bills at QB in the draft. He explains: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/04/23/qb-smart-tested-kevin-hogan-best-fit-buffalo-bills/
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) why unpin the threads a week before the draft? @PFF_Jeff QB rating when under pressure in 2015: Lynch 100.6 Cook 53.2 Hackenberg 44.5 Prescott 82.1 Doughty 81.1 Adams 103.0 not buying that, Cook has made many big plays under pressure. Edited April 24, 2016 by Buffalo Barbarian
Coach Tuesday Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 @TyDunne Cerebral Kevin Hogan could be the best fit for the #Bills at QB in the draft. He explains: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/04/23/qb-smart-tested-kevin-hogan-best-fit-buffalo-bills/ Honestly, the fact that he already knows the offense bumps his value up significantly for me. I'd be ok with drafting him in Round 3 or even Round 2. The Bills have a history of grading QBs a round too low in terms of where they'll actually go. Time to inflate the value of the position on their board.
Prickly Pete Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Hogan ain't gonna cut it in the pro's. He is a career back-up.
GunnerBill Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Hogan ain't gonna cut it in the pro's. He is a career back-up. If someone can be a soild career back up in the NFL they are worth a mid to late round pick.
Prickly Pete Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 If someone can be a soild career back up in the NFL they are worth a mid to late round pick. If they draft him with the idea that he will be a career backup, I hope he stays and they are fired at the end of this season.
John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 If they draft him with the idea that he will be a career backup, I hope he stays and they are fired at the end of this season. Why? You know that teams need backup QBs right?
Kemp2Warlick Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 If Paxton Lynch falls to us at 19 (he won't)...that's a no brainer......I wouldn't trade up tho
reddogblitz Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 @PFF_Jeff QB rating when under pressure in 2015: Lynch 100.6 Cook 53.2 Hackenberg 44.5 Prescott 82.1 Doughty 81.1 Adams 103.0 If we're going to take a long shot mid to late round guy, take one who has a history of pulling a rabbit out of his hat IMHO. Vernon Adams Jr.
thebandit27 Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 If we're going to take a long shot mid to late round guy, take one who has a history of pulling a rabbit out of his hat IMHO. Vernon Adams Jr. He's likely to be an UDFA
reddogblitz Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 He's likely to be an UDFA Don't take a chance. Take him in 5th or 6th or 7th if he's still there.
GunnerBill Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 If they draft him with the idea that he will be a career backup, I hope he stays and they are fired at the end of this season. I guess I just fundamentally disagree with your line of thinking then. I am not saying don't take a shot earlier if there is a guy you like, hell as long as it is Cook and not Lynch they could take a shot in round 1 and I wouldn't hate the pick. But if they are looking for someone at the back end of the roster to provide depth at the position, with a great work ethic and someone who is a serious studier of film then I think Hogan makes some sense. You obviously would never draft a guy like that which is fine.
mannc Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Why? You know that teams need backup QBs right? Correct. With a competent backup QB, the Bills may well have made the playoffs last year. A quality backup QB is probably worth more than a solid starter at any other position. On some teams, a quality backup is indispensable.
Prickly Pete Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) You know that teams need backup QBs right? No, you just brought it to my attention. I always thought teams carried only a single QB, because of that quote "if you have two quarterbacks, you have none". But if they are expected to have more than one, I think they should bring in guys that expect to be starters, and let the best man win. I prefer a guy fall to backup, as opposed to rise to backup. Edited April 24, 2016 by HoF Watkins
thebandit27 Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Don't take a chance. Take him in 5th or 6th or 7th if he's still there. I'm not spending a 5th round pick on a QB that most are saying doesn't have a draftable grade. They don't have a 7th, so at best you're talking a 6th. If I'm using a 6th on a QB, it's going to be Doughty or Allen, not a 5'10" guy with poor field vision and flawed mechanics that holds the ball too long.
Prickly Pete Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) Correct. With a competent backup QB, the Bills may well have made the playoffs last year. A quality backup QB is probably worth more than a solid starter at any other position. On some teams, a quality backup is indispensable. "Teams need a backup QB right?" - "Correct." You must be a school teacher. Edited April 24, 2016 by HoF Watkins
CommonCents Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 No, you just brought it to my attention. I always thought teams carried only a single QB, because of that quote "if you have two quarterbacks, you have none". But if they are expected to have more than one, I think they should bring in guys that expect to be starters, and let the best man win. I prefer a guy fall to backup, as opposed to rise to backup. Right. Unless you have a future HOF QB in his prime your intentions should be to find improvements at QB. If your drafting a guy whose ceiling is below your current QB's floor you better have no holes on your roster and be buried in a surplus of picks.
mannc Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 "Teams need a backup QB right?" - "Correct." You must be a school teacher. Just keep posting your blanket "opinions", backed up by nothing whatsoever. Makes for a great read.
Prickly Pete Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) Right. Unless you have a future HOF QB in his prime your intentions should be to find improvements at QB. If your drafting a guy whose ceiling is below your current QB's floor you better have no holes on your roster and be buried in a surplus of picks. Just keep posting your blanket "opinions", backed up by nothing whatsoever. Makes for a great read. "Commonsense" is having no problem understanding my point, but somehow you don't feel I'm "backing up" my point. Here it is....I want them to approach the drafting of a QB as if they expect him to become the starter, not drafting a guy thinking "well, he doesn't really have the skills to be a starter, but he is good at everything else." Tyrod is good, but the idea (to me at least) is to improve on what your starter. If there is a guy that they feel can become a better starter than Tyrod available when they pick, I want them to do it. They have gone too long without a quality starter, and they have had so few opportunities to select one, that they need to jump on it when it presents itself. If there isn't a guy the feel will be better than Tyrod, stick with EJM, and either use a 6th/7th rd pick (I would rather it wasn't Hogan, but rather a "high risk, high reward" type), or get a free agent. Edited April 25, 2016 by HoF Watkins
mannc Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) That's well-stated, HOF Watkins, unlike your "Hogan sucks and would be a wasted pick" take. I partly agree and would love to take Cardale because of his unlimited ceiling and big body. But if you don't get him, I still think a more limited guy like Hogan makes a lot of sense because I put a lot of value on a Fitz/Frank Reich-type back-up QB. I think a guy like Driskell in the sixth or seventh is interesting too. And maybe Adams in that slot, or as a UDFA. Edited April 25, 2016 by mannc
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