Prickly Pete Posted April 13, 2016 Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 5m5 minutes ago One of the important & telling charts in my Boykin column pertaining to the QB prospects in the 2016 draft class Hmmm... I guess it depends on how you wanna shuffle the cards. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/04/04/draft-pff-scouting-report-connor-cook/ Connor Cook: "Accuracy percentage on deep (20+ yard) passes was best in the draft class at 59.4 percent" "Was excellent on third down. Overall grade of +16.8 tied for best in the class" (just throwing that in for fun-HoF) "Outstanding in the 21-30 yard range. His +15.4 grade led the class" As an extra treat, here are the college stats of a proven winner, I would love to see a guess of who it is.... G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 7 28 66 42.4 507 7.7 3.4 4 8 102.7 9 99 189 52.4 1604 8.5 7.7 11 8 134.4 11 141 260 54.2 2010 7.7 6.9 10 9 124.9 Edited April 14, 2016 by HoF Watkins
LeGOATski Posted April 13, 2016 Posted April 13, 2016 Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 5m5 minutes ago One of the important & telling charts in my Boykin column pertaining to the QB prospects in the 2016 draft class Helps to have Josh Doctson...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2016 Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Helps to have Josh Doctson...boykin was pretty accurate - wouldn't say he got bailed out or anything. Tcu's offense was a machine. Edited April 13, 2016 by YoloinOhio
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2016 Posted April 13, 2016 @NFL_CFB Most underrated/overrated? Biggest sleeper? 2016 Draft QB Breakdown (via @LanceZierlein): http://on.nfl.com/1qIAHnQ
LeGOATski Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 @NFL_CFB Most underrated/overrated? Biggest sleeper? 2016 Draft QB Breakdown (via @LanceZierlein): http://on.nfl.com/1qIAHnQ Hmmmm....I watched Bercovici every Saturday and just don't see it. He definitely has a strong arm, but with the rest of his game...where to start? ASU doesn't groom QBs. They don't try at all.
Blokestradamus Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 5m5 minutes ago One of the important & telling charts in my Boykin column pertaining to the QB prospects in the 2016 draft class I'm still stunned how few people like Boykin as a QB prospect. All the talk about moving him to WR is nonsense. His athletic testing for a WR is awful. Taking into account weight density, it's about as bad as DeRunnya Wilson. I still believe in you, Trevone.
ALF Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 Wentz only 3 out of 15 for 30+ yards ( Taylor has a good deep pass ) Lynch 6 out of 11 . His deep pass on pro day was very good against a strong wind.
LeGOATski Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 Wentz only 3 out of 15 for 30+ yards ( Taylor has a good deep pass ) Lynch 6 out of 11 . His deep pass on pro day was very good against a strong wind. It's something you have to look at the play to judge. Did they throw a catchable ball? That's what matters. Trevone's kind of a similar prospect to a young Tyrod, I guess. I'm sure the Bills have done their due diligence on him. boykin was pretty accurate - wouldn't say he got bailed out or anything. Tcu's offense was a machine. Indeed...it still helps tremendously to have Josh Doctson.
dave mcbride Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 I have also heard that he didn't throw screen passes very often, which pad comp.% for many QB's. He's no Captain Checkdown. I'd sooner try to rein in a guy from going downfield, than try to get a checkdown specialist to throw downfield. Everyone has their opinion, my opinion is that if the Bills pass on him, they will regret it, and that he is going to be a very good NFL QB. Cook consistently pushed the ball down the field, evidenced by his ypa as a junior and to a lesser extent as a senior: http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/connor-cook-1.html
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 @salmaiorana Fourth in my series about possible #Bills QB draft options focuses on Stanford's Kevin Hogan. Mechanics are an... https://t.co/9ppD7EpVzQ
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 @ChrisTrapasso He's accurate deep & under pressure, finds his 2nd & 3rd reads & is a nutso scrambler. He's a Top 3 QB in this class https://t.co/E0QwoKezjw Another chart in my Boykin column that should especially be of interest now w/ QB likely going No. 1 overall
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 Cook consistently pushed the ball down the field, evidenced by his ypa as a junior and to a lesser extent as a senior: http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/connor-cook-1.html Cook might be going earlier than we think in light of the Rams trade.
Prickly Pete Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 I think La Canfora is right, here. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25550469/connor-cook-the-qb-no-one-is-talking-about-wont-last-long-in-nfl-draft
thebandit27 Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 Cook might be going earlier than we think in light of the Rams trade. It's funny, but as I looked the draft--I think it actually drops the next tier of QBs. The only realistic landing spot for Lynch--the next QB off the board by most accounts--that was near the top of the draft was LA at 15. Now that they've moved up to 1, you'd have to see a team like Philly at 8 or Chicago at 11 take a shot at Lynch--I think that's far-fetched. The next possible slots for Lynch would be Buffalo at 19 or the NYJ at 20. I could maybe see the Jets making the move, but I doubt Buffalo would. For the Jets, they'd need to be ready to stash Lynch on the bench and go with Fitz (assuming they can get him re-signed), which means they're cutting Geno Smith or Bryce Petty. If he doesn't land there, then you're talking about a fall to at least 29--where Arizona picks--or Denver at 30, unless someone trades up. Where Lynch goes influences where Cook goes IMO. I think it's likely that Lynch gets by both Buffalo and the Jets, and Denver moves ahead of Arizona to get him. Arizona, in win-now mode, is the only logical 1st round spot left for Cook. If he doesn't go there, then you're looking at someone in the top of the 2nd, which seems to be where he's headed now. I think La Canfora is right, here. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25550469/connor-cook-the-qb-no-one-is-talking-about-wont-last-long-in-nfl-draft I know it's not a hard-and-fast rule, but I can't get on board with the idea of using a 1st round pick on a guy that only completes 57% of his throws in college--it's not going to get any easier to make those throws in the NFL.
ALF Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 Seeing how much teams had to give up to draft RG3 and Wentz or Goff , if Lynch is still there at 19 , I'am tempted . Since finding a good QB is such a gamble. I would hate to give up as much as those 2 teams did.
GunnerBill Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 It's funny, but as I looked the draft--I think it actually drops the next tier of QBs. The only realistic landing spot for Lynch--the next QB off the board by most accounts--that was near the top of the draft was LA at 15. Now that they've moved up to 1, you'd have to see a team like Philly at 8 or Chicago at 11 take a shot at Lynch--I think that's far-fetched. The next possible slots for Lynch would be Buffalo at 19 or the NYJ at 20. I could maybe see the Jets making the move, but I doubt Buffalo would. For the Jets, they'd need to be ready to stash Lynch on the bench and go with Fitz (assuming they can get him re-signed), which means they're cutting Geno Smith or Bryce Petty. If he doesn't land there, then you're talking about a fall to at least 29--where Arizona picks--or Denver at 30, unless someone trades up. Where Lynch goes influences where Cook goes IMO. I think it's likely that Lynch gets by both Buffalo and the Jets, and Denver moves ahead of Arizona to get him. Arizona, in win-now mode, is the only logical 1st round spot left for Cook. If he doesn't go there, then you're looking at someone in the top of the 2nd, which seems to be where he's headed now. I agree with the principle. But I do think Lynch goes #20 to the Jets. And then I think Denver trades above Arizona for Cook. Maybe with KC? At the moment I can see the top 5 corners being off the boars and KCs next "need" is interior D-line and sliding back will still give them a shot at a very good one whilst picking up an extra pick.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 I agree with the principle. But I do think Lynch goes #20 to the Jets. And then I think Denver trades above Arizona for Cook. Maybe with KC? At the moment I can see the top 5 corners being off the boars and KCs next "need" is interior D-line and sliding back will still give them a shot at a very good one whilst picking up an extra pick. I think Denver trades up to the Bills spot at 19 and takes Lynch.
Prickly Pete Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) I know it's not a hard-and-fast rule, but I can't get on board with the idea of using a 1st round pick on a guy that only completes 57% of his throws in college--it's not going to get any easier to make those throws in the NFL. Fair enough. Have you watched the highlights, and even better, the individual game breakdowns? Since no one has asked, the stats I listed above are Joe Montana's college stats. I looked at a fair amount of HoF QB's, and very good QB's, and a fair number of them improved upon their college %. Also, there were more than a few that were under 60% in college (and what is so magical about "60%"? Does 59.9% = loser? I think the guys that have great careers are the guys that are "good at getting better". And I think Cook is gonna get better, and is already pretty slick. Of course, I doubt the Bills will draft him, but I expect it to be one of those regrets that have plagued Bills fans. Edited April 15, 2016 by HoF Watkins
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 It's funny, but as I looked the draft--I think it actually drops the next tier of QBs. The only realistic landing spot for Lynch--the next QB off the board by most accounts--that was near the top of the draft was LA at 15. Now that they've moved up to 1, you'd have to see a team like Philly at 8 or Chicago at 11 take a shot at Lynch--I think that's far-fetched. The next possible slots for Lynch would be Buffalo at 19 or the NYJ at 20. I could maybe see the Jets making the move, but I doubt Buffalo would. For the Jets, they'd need to be ready to stash Lynch on the bench and go with Fitz (assuming they can get him re-signed), which means they're cutting Geno Smith or Bryce Petty. If he doesn't land there, then you're talking about a fall to at least 29--where Arizona picks--or Denver at 30, unless someone trades up. Where Lynch goes influences where Cook goes IMO. I think it's likely that Lynch gets by both Buffalo and the Jets, and Denver moves ahead of Arizona to get him. Arizona, in win-now mode, is the only logical 1st round spot left for Cook. If he doesn't go there, then you're looking at someone in the top of the 2nd, which seems to be where he's headed now. Could be, but I believe Cook is better than Lynch and Goff. Be that as it may I hope you are right and we can trade back in the first and grab him. I think La Canfora is right, here. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25550469/connor-cook-the-qb-no-one-is-talking-about-wont-last-long-in-nfl-draft "In fact, until former Super Bowl-winning head coach and noted quarterback guru Jon Gruden began openly gushing about Cook on ESPN last week, and exclaiming out loud what some scouts and execs had been whispering about the quarterback for quite some time, it was difficult to find much being said or reported about the former Michigan State star anywhere outside of East Lansing. Seemed a little fishy to me. And after spending a week sniffing around on the situation, and speaking with numerous accomplished evaluators who don't have a dog in this fight (i.e. they are not going to be taking a quarterback on the first two days of this draft), I am more convinced than ever that Cook is going to be selected higher than many would want you to believe." (those darn scouts have been reading my posts ) I know it's not a hard-and-fast rule, but I can't get on board with the idea of using a 1st round pick on a guy that only completes 57% of his throws in college--it's not going to get any easier to make those throws in the NFL. Dude stop sweating the completion percentage, watch all the clutch throws he makes and more importantly 3rd down conversion percentage. I think Denver trades up to the Bills spot at 19 and takes Lynch. and we take cook, deal, steal of the draft and pick up picks, win - win for us.
LeGOATski Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 "In fact, until former Super Bowl-winning head coach and noted quarterback guru Jon Gruden began openly gushing about Cook on ESPN last week, and exclaiming out loud what some scouts and execs had been whispering about the quarterback for quite some time, it was difficult to find much being said or reported about the former Michigan State star anywhere outside of East Lansing. Seemed a little fishy to me. And after spending a week sniffing around on the situation, and speaking with numerous accomplished evaluators who don't have a dog in this fight (i.e. they are not going to be taking a quarterback on the first two days of this draft), I am more convinced than ever that Cook is going to be selected higher than many would want you to believe." Very interesting. So, the opinions around the league seem very different from the media's. Fair enough. Have you watched the highlights, and even better, the individual game breakdowns? Since no one has asked, the stats I listed above are Joe Montana's college stats. I looked at a fair amount of HoF QB's, and very good QB's, and a fair number of them improved upon their college %. Also, there were more than a few that were under 60% in college (and what is so magical about "60%"? Does 59.9% = loser? I think the guys that have great careers are the guys that are "good at getting better". And I think Cook is gonna get better, and is already pretty slick. Of course, I doubt the Bills will draft him, but I expect it to be one of those regrets that have plagued Bills fans. You definitely have to consider the context around the completion percentage. A lot of the throws Cook's receivers dropped looked like they would be caught by NFL starting-caliber WRs. Also, a lot of QB busts had great completion % in college. It's just one number. Based on the information above, it appears that some NFL front-office people think Cook is an exception to that 60% trend.
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