YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2016 Author Posted January 6, 2016 @armandosalguero Former Buffalo HC Doug Marrone to interview with the Dolphins on Fri., same day as Dan Campbell. Marrone interviewing with Cleveland Thurs.
Coach Tuesday Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Is there any (non-violent, non-criminal) reason an NFL head coach should ever bench a superior talent for a lesser one? Holy hell you're insufferable. Your argument has been defeated. Move along. Edited January 6, 2016 by Coach Tuesday
FireChan Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Holy hell you're insufferable. Your argument has been defeated. Move along. See here's the difference. GG and KtD, while both misinformed in this argument, at least are taking a stand. What do you do? Snipe from the peanut gallery? Your post is worth less than nothing. I remember a similar post of yours claiming that anyone who thought Rex Ryan's 2015 D would be bad "don't know anything about football." That was at least something of a stand, albeit a terrible one. Edited January 6, 2016 by FireChan
GG Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Is there any (non-violent, non-criminal) reason an NFL head coach should ever bench a superior talent for a lesser one? I believe I addressed it when I discussed insubordination. Look it up. Alas, that's not what happened in the Urbik case.
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2016 Author Posted January 6, 2016 Doug Marrone: Jerry Hughes wasn't disciplined by me: DENVER -- Starting Buffalo Bills defensive end Jerry Hughes… http://dlvr.it/7lpTVD
Coach Tuesday Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 See here's the difference. GG and KtD, while both misinformed in this argument, at least are taking a stand. What do you do? Snipe from the peanut gallery? Your post is worth less than nothing. I remember a similar post of yours claiming that anyone who thought Rex Ryan's 2015 D would be bad "don't know anything about football." That was at least something of a stand, albeit a terrible one. I'm not sure what you're talking about. But if you want to dig up something I said a year ago, by all means, spend your time that way. You take an argument and twist and gnaw at it until an entire thread rots. It's what you do. This thread is a perfect example of it. You demand "proof" and then, when the evidence is amassed and presented to you, you move the goalposts. And in the meantime, the entire discussion becomes poisoned by your annoying agenda. Your arguments are the equivalent of Marrone's offensive philosophy - hell be damned, you're going to slam a point into the back of Erik Pears until the entire idea is mutilated and unwatchable.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Doug Marrone: Jerry Hughes wasn't disciplined by me: DENVER -- Starting Buffalo Bills defensive end Jerry Hughes… http://dlvr.it/7lpTVD That article always made me laugh. He says he didn't discipline him even though he also says he said told the coaches to sit him down. He said a position coach couldn't bench him even though he was on the bench. He didn't know he wasn't in the game for a half of it but never questioned why. That's some dern good coachin' smarts.
FireChan Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 I believe I addressed it when I discussed insubordination. Look it up. Alas, that's not what happened in the Urbik case. Link? Because nothing you've provided has stated the "why" Urbik was benched for an inferior player. And until you can prove the "why," you can't prove it was Marrone holding a grudge or whatever other story you've concocted. We know there was friction. From what I have heard, Urbik was sulking and IIRC throwing a hissy fit over losing reps. Not being benched. Losing some reps. You're saying they "disagreed" and Marrone held some personal vendetta, without evidence. Both or neither could be true. Why you'd take such a hard and fast stance on something you have no idea about is beyond me. Even your contention that Urbik shouldn't have been benched that long, is something that I can understand, and admit that perhaps DM went too far trying to be a hard ass. But to pretend we know for sure it was DM being a thin-skinned hack and it was no big deal what Urbik did is ludicrous, because we don't know what Urbik did. Period. I'm not sure what you're talking about. But if you want to dig up something I said a year ago, by all means, spend your time that way. You take an argument and twist and gnaw at it until an entire thread rots. It's what you do. This thread is a perfect example of it. You demand "proof" and then, when the evidence is amassed and presented to you, you move the goalposts. And in the meantime, the entire discussion becomes poisoned by your annoying agenda. Your arguments are the equivalent of Marrone's offensive philosophy - hell be damned, you're going to slam a point into the back of Erik Pears until the entire idea is mutilated and unwatchable. What argument did I originally have with GG, and what argument did I move the goalposts to? And let me apologize in advance for ruining a thread where jilted lovers repeat the same jokes that were funny back in 2013 over and over. Such great value lost to the world! Such a worthy discussion was taking place. 3rd and 1, PUNT! Hysterical. LOL.
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2016 Author Posted January 6, 2016 That article always made me laugh. He says he didn't discipline him even though he also says he said told the coaches to sit him down. He said a position coach couldn't bench him even though he was on the bench. He didn't know he wasn't in the game for a half of it but never questioned why. That's some dern good coachin' smarts. And then the infamous 3-second dramatic eye roll at Joe B in the post game presser when asked why he punted on 4th and 2, down 2 TDs with 5 minutes left.
GG Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Link? Because nothing you've provided has stated the "why" Urbik was benched for an inferior player. And until you can prove the "why," you can't prove it was Marrone holding a grudge or whatever other story you've concocted. We know there was friction. From what I have heard, Urbik was sulking and IIRC throwing a hissy fit over losing reps. Not being benched. Losing some reps. You're saying they "disagreed" and Marrone held some personal vendetta, without evidence. Both or neither could be true. Why you'd take such a hard and fast stance on something you have no idea about is beyond me. Even your contention that Urbik shouldn't have been benched that long, is something that I can understand, and admit that perhaps DM went too far trying to be a hard ass. But to pretend we know for sure it was DM being a thin-skinned hack and it was no big deal what Urbik did is ludicrous, because we don't know what Urbik did. Period. So by your own account, Urbik was sulking because he was losing reps to lesser players. And he stayed on the sidelines when those lesser players were getting the RBs and QBs destroyed. And that's your defense of the coach?
FireChan Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 So by your own account, Urbik was sulking because he was losing reps to lesser players. And he stayed on the sidelines when those lesser players were getting the RBs and QBs destroyed. And that's your defense of the coach? Well I won't to pretend to know how many reps he was losing or the circumstances surrounding it, or have the complete story. But yes. I'd say DM had some grounds to punish Urbik for being a selfish ass, and to the extent he did may have been a mistake. But I don't think it was some random grudge.
LA Grant Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Well I won't to pretend to know how many reps he was losing or the circumstances surrounding it, or have the complete story. But yes. I'd say DM had some grounds to punish Urbik for being a selfish ass, and to the extent he did may have been a mistake. But I don't think it was some random grudge. That's stupid. The starters on a professional football team shouldn't be based on who meshes best with Coach Marrone's personality, it should be the people with the best ability. That's a dumb defense of stupid coaching. Urbik was clearly better than either of our starting guards last year and proved it once he finally took the field. If he was unwilling to see that, then Marrone made a selfish decision to spite somebody for whatever reason and hurt the franchise as a whole.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 That's stupid. The starters on a professional football team shouldn't be based on who meshes best with Coach Marrone's personality, it should be the people with the best ability. That's a dumb defense of stupid coaching. Urbik was clearly better than either of our starting guards last year and proved it once he finally took the field. If he was unwilling to see that, then Marrone made a selfish decision to spite somebody for whatever reason and hurt the franchise as a whole. That's exactly what happened IMO and why he is a crappy coach. It's not as though everything he does is bad. But his bad attitude affects his coaching and hurts his team, and franchise, and front office.
FireChan Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) That's stupid. The starters on a professional football team shouldn't be based on who meshes best with Coach Marrone's personality, it should be the people with the best ability. That's a dumb defense of stupid coaching. Urbik was clearly better than either of our starting guards last year and proved it once he finally took the field. If he was unwilling to see that, then Marrone made a selfish decision to spite somebody for whatever reason and hurt the franchise as a whole. I think a HC absolutely has grounds to punish a malcontent on the team. To let them "get away" with it opens up the possibility of a fractured locker room. See Mario and Rex. Edited January 6, 2016 by FireChan
Kelly the Dog Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 I think a HC absolutely has grounds to punish a malcontent on the team. To let them "get away" with it opens up the possibility of a fractured locker room. See Mario and Rex. Yep. Marv definitely should have benched Jim Kelly for conduct detrimental to the team for bitching to the press and throwing Howard Ballard under the bus.
GG Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Well I won't to pretend to know how many reps he was losing or the circumstances surrounding it, or have the complete story. But yes. I'd say DM had some grounds to punish Urbik for being a selfish ass, and to the extent he did may have been a mistake. But I don't think it was some random grudge. And there you have the difference - a coach that's willing to sit a better player who spoke up to him, but didn't cause any detrimental effect on the team. And what for? What exactly is the lesson that he's teaching? That players shouldn't voice any opinion at all? And then the coach walks out on his team with a text message. Winning.
FireChan Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Yep. Marv definitely should have benched Jim Kelly for conduct detrimental to the team for bitching to the press and throwing Howard Ballard under the bus. Kelly. 6-2 QB Jim Kelly on his way to a division title is not Kraig Urbik. Let's be better than that, together. And there you have the difference - a coach that's willing to sit a better player who spoke up to him, but didn't cause any detrimental effect on the team. And what for? What exactly is the lesson that he's teaching? That players shouldn't voice any opinion at all? And then the coach walks out on his team with a text message. Winning. [Citation Needed] This is what I'm saying GG. You don't even know what happened. If Urbik had said, "Hey coach, I think I'm better than Erik Pears and I should start at G" and this all went down, sure. But I think it was more than that. And we don't know. Edited January 6, 2016 by FireChan
GG Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Kelly. 6-2 QB Jim Kelly on his way to a division title is not Kraig Urbik. Let's be better than that, together. [Citation Needed] This is what I'm saying GG. You don't even know what happened. If Urbik had said, "Hey coach, I think I'm better than Erik Pears and I should start at G" and this all went down, sure. But I think it was more than that. And we don't know. Citation not needed because Urbik's play on the field didn't stink. Watch the games. Why was Marrone super defensive to the press when he was asked why Urbik wasn't in the games? Edited January 6, 2016 by GG
FireChan Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Citation not needed because Urbik's play on the field didn't stink. Watch the games. Why was Marrone super defensive to the press when he was asked why Urbik wasn't in the games? Conduct detrimental to the team is exclusive to on the field play? News to me. And Pac Man. And Greg Hardy. And Ray Rice. And Ray Lewis. And Randy Moss. And.. And.. And.. Marrone did a lot of weird stuff pal. I'm not gonna try to psychoanalyze the guy based on a 10 second clip. Maybe he was defensive because Kraig was acting a POS whiner, and bitching constantly, and acting like a total douche, and Marrone wasn't pleased with it. Edited January 6, 2016 by FireChan
eball Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 This thread is the quintessential example of why FireChan is the first and only poster I've ever put on ignore on TSW. Unfortunately his idiocy has been quoted in so many replies I've been compelled to read it. What a joke.
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