starrymessenger Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 Some here seem to think that if healthy Harvin is legit as a # 1 guy, so why not ask him to assume a low cost, limited and contingent role in the O. To me this distorts the actual profile. No question that earlier in his career he was one of the most dynamic and explosive weapons in the game. While calling him a "gadget player" is probably unfair much of his production was from use otherwise than as a WR. He has never been anything like a true # 1 receiver IMO. Whats more it looks to me, whether as a result of injury or or other reason, he has lost some of his burst and cutting/change of direction ability, which is important because tho he is a burner hes hardly the fastest guy and there are many players just as fast and faster. So as a wideout he was never as good as some people seem to think and hes not as dangerous a weapon now as he has been in the past when looking at his total skill set. And thats before you even get into the possible head case problems and potential negative lockerroom issues. Again, if you dont have to pay him for non-performance the issue is not financial. Its a roster spot and loss of an opportunity to invest in someone who might actually help improve your WR corps moving forward. Instead of dredging up a Percy Harvin how about doing what teams good at finding and developing WRs do, like Zona, Pitt, Cinci etc...Find a John Brown, Martavius Bryant etc...in the draft. Look for good free agents -Cinci have Marvin Jones and Mohamed Sanu as FA in 2016. They are not going to sign or franchise both of them (and probably neither of them will be franchised). Look for promising players late in the draft- someone like Keyarris Garrett of Tulsa - Antonio Brown was a sixth round selection too. Opting instead for Harvin, whose not even sure he wants to play football and has done nothing recently to show he does, is just lazing out and hoping for the best. Its what fraudulent coaches, GMs and organizations do. Heres a thought - lets start doing it right, even if that means doing it the hard way.
Big Blitz Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 No. We need 2 LBs, a 3-4 DE, a RT, and a FS. Too many other needs. Thanks Rex. It's not going to happen but he needs to be fired next Monday.
Mr. WEO Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 If he can't stay healthy, incentives won't matter.
Kelly the Dog Posted December 29, 2015 Author Posted December 29, 2015 If he can't stay healthy, incentives won't matter.Exactly. And we don't have to play or pay him.
Jerry Jabber Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) Harvin, Goodwin and Hogan all need to go. Look at the cast of WR's Fitzpatrick has to throw to in NJ, that's what Tyrod needs. Edited December 29, 2015 by Jerry Jabber
Fixxxer Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 If Sammy weren't on the picture I would re-sign him for a year but Sammy can do what he does and still be better. We need a real possesion receiver with enough concentration and hands to help out Tyrod. Regarding Harvin, I think his hip problem is very serious, i see him retiring this year.
Joe Buffalo Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Not in a million years. You'd never get your money's worth. He's never been a 1000 yard receiver, doesn't score many touchdowns and has never started a complete season. WASTE OF TALENT AND MONEY!! Edited December 30, 2015 by Joe Buffalo
NoSaint Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Not in a million years. You'd never get your money's worth. He's never been a 1000 yard receiver, doesn't score many touchdowns and has never started a complete season. WASTE OF TALENT AND MONEY!! At 3m you aren't expecting a 1000 yard receiver
Augie Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Placing hope on a guy like Harvin, is a bad idea. But he's one of Rex's guys.... Vet minimum plus incentives, at the VERY most, I'd hope (after hoping just plain NO - because the guy just wants a check, not the game).
BobbyC81 Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 The only way I'd sign him if there was almost no bonus involved. The guy just cannot stay on the field and is completely unreliable because of that. Beyond that, he looked like a shot player to my eyes with little to no explosiveness left. I'd prefer that the Bills look elsewhere for a complementary WR for Sammy. I agree. Whether it be draft, free agency, waivers (Hankerson)
jumbalaya Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 easley, goodwin, harvin and hogan should all go. Woods should be put on notice. Need a big veteran, there are always 5 or 6 of these available. Maybe we could trade a 3rd round pick to get K. Aiken back?
GunnerBill Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 At 3m you aren't expecting a 1000 yard receiver If all you are going to do is run bubble screens and flys - which is all Harvin is good for as a receiver - then I'd rather pay a less established name less money and have them healthy rather than pay Harvin for 4 games again.
machine gun kelly Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 But he's one of Rex's guys.... Vet minimum plus incentives, at the VERY most, I'd hope (after hoping just plain NO - because the guy just wants a check, not the game). That was basically my point. You don't lose anything on a vet minimum deal, and if he performs, he makes more money. He is dynamic, he just can't stay healthy.
NoSaint Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 If all you are going to do is run bubble screens and flys - which is all Harvin is good for as a receiver - then I'd rather pay a less established name less money and have them healthy rather than pay Harvin for 4 games again. He'd be tied with 5 guys for 53rd among wr pay for a season at that pay rate today -- I can't stress enough how cheap $3m is for a vet. Behind him are mid round rookie contracts and guys like Easley.
dtgolder Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Contract reads thus: Bills make the playoffs, Harvin gets paid Bills don't make the playoffs, Harvin gets $0 Frankly, all of the bills contracts should be structured that way--no base, no bonus, no nothing -- just make the playoffs.
Best Player Available Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Contract reads thus: Bills make the playoffs, Harvin gets paid Bills don't make the playoffs, Harvin gets $0 Frankly, all of the bills contracts should be structured that way--no base, no bonus, no nothing -- just make the playoffs. Never would work. To do that one must have a stellar FO and good coaching.
Jerry Jabber Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 easley, goodwin, harvin and hogan should all go. Woods should be put on notice. Need a big veteran, there are always 5 or 6 of these available. Maybe we could trade a 3rd round pick to get K. Aiken back? I agree that the WR corps (besides Watkins) needs to be overhauled. Woods needs to show more consistency.
3rdand12 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 easley, goodwin, harvin and hogan should all go. Woods should be put on notice. Need a big veteran, there are always 5 or 6 of these available. Maybe we could trade a 3rd round pick to get K. Aiken back? I am leaning the same. with your first sentence . Bills need to fill #2 and #3 Wr asap. See if Woods can tighten up his receiving game. But i still think Harvin was a good enough player for us when on the field. That said, I don't expect him back.
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