3rdand12 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 But Rex called him tough in a presser yesterday. Maybe we're all missing something. Rex also said the D line played well last year and we all missed that. Rex will ALWAYS stick up for his players. might as well accept it. Not really a bad thing if you thing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Rex will ALWAYS stick up for his players. might as well accept it. Not really a bad thing if you thing about it. What people take for granted is that we would have never landed a player like Harvin in the first place had it not been for Rex. He's the best recruiter we've ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 What people take for granted is that we would have never landed a player like Harvin in the first place had it not been for Rex. He's the best recruiter we've ever had. I just watched the breakfast presser. Watching him is much different that reading one liners extracted. For me at least. be interesting to see Preston Browns comments on Rob Ryan a couple games in. I bet the players start to dig Ed Reed too. There is a reason Ryan's players learned to love/become loyal to Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 What people take for granted is that we would have never landed a player like Harvin in the first place had it not been for Rex. He's the best recruiter we've ever had. Other than the world's most overrated receiver who did Rex recruit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 NO NO AND NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Other than the world's most overrated receiver who did Rex recruit? Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Other than the world's most overrated receiver who did Rex recruit? Tyrod ed reed rob ryan. oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 He's the best recruiter we've ever had. i dont know - merriman did pretty well, and nix landed the big fish in mario. rex did get harvin in the door but we did offer a lot of money too. im not sure it was a FEAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) Basically no.........vet minimum, well, maybe if money is available for that.....with some incentives to make it worth while. His degree of brittleness is the problem....he never plays a full season....and, he will take up a roster spot. He gets hurt, he gets his money again for doing nothing...last year, collected 6 mil for what, 5 games. In addition, I thought his presense on the field took away from Sammy being #1......Ryan feels the need to justify bringing in one of his strays. (yes, Ryan collects stray dogs, particularily ex Jets)And, that doesn't make him a recruiter. I think we should pass on Harvin and go elsewhere. And, because of the brittleness issue, I think our former third round draft choice, Goodwin, also has to go.Goodwin is hard not to like, but his production is zilch in three years. Neither has skills or a body type to be a blocker on the outside like Hogan was. (yes, that is a requirement in our run first O) Edited March 22, 2016 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Tyrod. Yep. Fair point.... though I think it was the chance to start more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Yep. Fair point.... though I think it was the chance to start more than anything else. Ryan was always a strong advocate of bringing TT in because of his ties to the Ravens (even though he predated TT's time there). So I'm willing to give him credit for TT being on the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I think I'm the only one who hopes he is back. Even if it's not a full time role. They can't pay him a lot so it certainly be on the cheap. Still draft one obviously but he's a good talent to have in the arsenal. He's fast, versatile, experienced and had chemistry with Taylor right off the bat. Clearly injury prone which is why, if he is back, it would be cheap/incentive laden. He is not only injury prone, he is moody and sat out AWOL and did tell front office his plans. I think he should only be signed post week 1 so Bills can cut him if he does not want to play. I mentioned it before probably in this thread but Miami signed Jordan Cameron to a deal last year where he only got paid per games played. That could be an option, but what I believe is that another team would be ok with giving him more of a gtd contract. Once a player has qualified (4 years effectively) he is paid for entire season, active or not, once he is on Week 1 roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ryan was always a strong advocate of bringing TT in because of his ties to the Ravens (even though he predated TT's time there). So I'm willing to give him credit for TT being on the Bills. it mightve made us more likely to pursue, but that he had a solid path to the starting job is almost undoubtedly the reason he picked us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 it mightve made us more likely to pursue, but that he had a solid path to the starting job is almost undoubtedly the reason he picked us. For sure. But I think Rex without Rex strongly advocating for him, he probably wouldn't have even been on the Bills' radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 it mightve made us more likely to pursue, but that he had a solid path to the starting job is almost undoubtedly the reason he picked us. To buttress your point TT selected Buffalo because it gave him the best pathway toward playing. Was Rex a factor? Maybe so. But it wasn't the most decisive reason for him coming to Buffalo. As the below link indicates he had a better money deal from the Broncos and he also had an association with Kubiak, their HC. http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/3/14/8216575/nfl-free-agency-quarterback-tyrod-taylor-turns-a-down-deal-from For sure. But I think Rex without Rex strongly advocating for him, he probably wouldn't have even been on the Bills' radar. Of couse TT was on the Bills' radar as he was for all teams that needed a qb added to their roster. It's not like he was a secret talent hidden away. All teams know about all the players on other teams' rosters and they know which ones are available from our team. We are as familiar with backup players on other teams who might be available as other teams are aware of Buffalo backups who might be available. Knowing the market is part of the job for all organizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 What people take for granted is that we would have never landed a player like Harvin in the first place had it not been for Rex. He's the best recruiter we've ever had. You believe landing a player "like Harvin" is a positive in the ledger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) You believe landing a player "like Harvin" is a positive in the ledger? Especially when a Brandon Marshall was availablr and the better fit. Edited March 24, 2016 by Fan in Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Especially when a Brandon Marshall was availablr and the better fit. Football doesn't lend itself to "moneyball" logic nearly as well as baseball. But at some point when their is a huge disconnect between actual production and how much salary cap is used up, the results show on the field. The Bills have $16 million in cap money for 2016 tied up in McCoy/Clay/Harvin (Harvin is $2mm of dead money). In 2015 that trio returned a little over 800 yards rushing and 1100 yards receiving and 9 touchdowns. That is a lot less production than the salary cap hit is worth. Fans can complain about injuries and luck plays a big part in that. But durability and age are factors teams account for when signing/drafting player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 No on Harvin!!! Never again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) The Bills have $16 million in cap money for 2016 tied up in McCoy/Clay/Harvin (Harvin is $2mm of dead money). In 2015 that trio returned a little over 800 yards rushing and 1100 yards receiving and 9 touchdowns. That is a lot less production than the salary cap hit is worth. Yup! Add to that the production we got from our highest paid players on defense (Mario and Dareus) and we paid a crap load of money to the top guys with very little return on investment Edited March 24, 2016 by kdiggz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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