Kelly the Dog Posted December 28, 2015 Author Posted December 28, 2015 How can you trust him? Our offense took a big hit when we lost him. I don't think you can afford to build around him again. Signing him to a small contract with incentives is, by definition, not trusting him.
Bill from NYC Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 I didn't want him before they signed him. He gets injuried every other game and it's just a matter of time before he melts down again.Agreed. I would not want to see him on this team for the league minimum.
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Find another receiver ASAP, not Harvin. Woods should only be considered a #3 and Hogan should consider a career in Lacrosse. Oh please. Hogan isn't a star but he certainly has proven he can play in this league. If only we kept Rogers! Edited December 28, 2015 by C.Biscuit97
Felonious Monk Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Really thought he'd turn it around in Buffalo. I was very wrong on this one. I don't want him back.
boyst Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Harvin>Goodwin. I'd give Goodwin $800k for 1 year with a 2nd year option @ $2mm. Incentives in there bringing it up. I'd give Harvin a base of $750 or whatever is the lowest we can pay him. I would go above and beyond that already said about him playing on game day; don't want him on the field limping all game. $250 for a healthy training camp and preseaon. $100k to be on the game day $50k for every full week of practice. $250k if he is active for more than 8 games and we make playoffs. I'd bet that comes out to $2.5mm if he plays up to what we would hope. I'd rather throw money at Mohomad Sanu. I think Ruben Randel El is like Mario Manningham, but I'd still kick the tires a little. Travis Benjamin could also be a ??? Small, though. Alshon Jeffrey is now the prize for WR. http://overthecap.com/2016-nfl-free-agency-wide-receiver-overview/ Edited December 28, 2015 by Boyst62
Dorkington Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Oh please. Hogan isn't a star but he certainly has proven he can play in this league. If only we kept Rogers! Woods and Hogan definitely have places on NFL rosters. I'd see us getting another legit WR, hopefully with some size, and Woods/Hogan are the dependable depth guys, and someone like Harvin, if you get him cheap enough, is the every now and then home run hitter.
Maddog69 Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Would definitely like to have him here on an incentive deal. Very productive and seemed to enjoy being here. If the hip/knee injuries are under control, he would definitely be someone to keep around.
Kelly the Dog Posted December 28, 2015 Author Posted December 28, 2015 Hogan stinks. He regressed from last year, when he was average. He tries and is a willing and good blocker though. I will give him that. He's a crappy WR.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Oh please. Hogan isn't a star but he certainly has proven he can play in this league. If only we kept Rogers! He has developed a case of the drops and is JAG. Time for an upgrade.
boyst Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 What did happen to Woods this year? I haven't watched him enough, wondering if it is the run first idea. Surely, thought with Clay out he would get more looks. Surprised he didn't.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Rex gets sense Harvin wants to play in 2016 There were a myriad of reports just before midseason that Percy Harvin, who was ultimately placed on injured reserve by the Bills, that the 27-year old receiver was considering retirement. Bills head coach Rex Ryan has maintained contact with Harvin and said Monday he gets the sense that Harvin intends to continue his playing career. “I’ve talked to him a couple of times, but just texts back and forth,” said Ryan. “I think I’ve talked to him once and I’ve texted him a few times. More about a personal variety than about where he is on the injury front. I get the sense he wants to play. He had the surgery because he wants to play.”
34-78-83 Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Hogan stinks. He regressed from last year, when he was average. He tries and is a willing and good blocker though. I will give him that. He's a crappy WR. I think he is fine as your 4th or 5th option, just not as a 2 or 3. After his drop (which truly did suck) yesterday, he made some nice catches and blocks.
SoulMan Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) A 2nd or 3rd rounder would equal Harvin's production. Goodwin ? Boyst62 is probably pretty close except all those numbers for playing football are pretty mind blowing. Edited December 28, 2015 by SoulMan
Manther Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Rex said today Harvin wants to still play. There is no way we keep him at his contract. There is no way IMO anyone pays him a decent contract next year based on his injury history and production history and various other factors. Personally I would have no problem signing him to a smallish deal with incentives for games active, starts and production. I think he would entertain re-signing here. At 3m I still know it is a risk and less than 50% chance he plays 15-16 games but it's a risk I would take. I wouldn't want it to dissuade us from finding another #2 or #3 or #4 WR in FA or the draft though. And I totally understand why people would say no or not worth the risk. No thank you
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 You read my mind. I was thinking this today as I was getting ready for work. Harvin definitely did not play to the level of being worth 9 mil for next year. He isn't worth the 6 mil that will go on the books if we cut him. But the honest truth is that the FA market for receivers is thin this year, and we desperately need a boundary receiver who can take pressure off Watkins and Woods doesn't seem up for the task. We have a lot of holes to fill at LB aND quite possibly O-line. Crossing off one thing you need at a reasonable expense would be a good thing.
dpberr Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Absolutely not. Come on now. Edited December 28, 2015 by dpberr
BackInDaDay Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) if the staff thinks they can work a healthy Harvin into an average of 20 plays a game, i'd guarantee him $1.6M for the season, with $10,000 a play after week 8. the gauranteed $1.6M pays him what he's worth over the first 8 games, and the $10,000 a play gives him an opportunity to earn another $1.6M over the last 8 games by staying healthy and productive Edited December 28, 2015 by BackInDaDay
Coach Tuesday Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 The problem is the opportunity cost. I know you've built that into your question but I don't think it's that simple. So you go ahead and target another #2 WR as a backup plan - that's fine, but you're still using up a roster spot and cap dollars on someone who has proven only that he is undependable. And it's not like he's considered a "coach on the field" or locker room leader (nor is he a negative influence). The Bills are going to have a small margin for error next year with the schedule they have and the division they play in. Personally, I'd invest heavily in special teams (start by upgrading the coordinator) because most teams don't, and that gives you an edge in one of the three aspects of the game. There is market inefficiency in special teams. I'd also invest in the linebacking corps - targeting lots of athletic depth that can help you on ST as well as in Rex's sub-packages. I'd find another tight end to compliment Clay, perhaps a blocker who can also move a bit. I'd get rid of the fullback. And I'd find a tall, dependable #2 WR. Here is a ridiculous idea: take the money allocated toward Mario and use it on Calvin Johnson. Good luck matching up against that offense.
NoSaint Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 With the trainers having a year hands on, if they felt great and the coaches feel great- something like that wouldn't bother me
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