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Looks like Marrone is once again going to be the odd man out. 2 yrs of interviewing and no jobs. Why is he considered such a hot coaching candidate then? Just hype by Adam Schefter?

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Looks like Marrone is once again going to be the odd man out. 2 yrs of interviewing and no jobs. Why is he considered such a hot coaching candidate then? Just hype by Adam Schefter?

 

The hype by Adam Schefter is the symptom, not the disease.

1) Marrone may have the best agent for coaches, Sexton. Sexton has a lot of contacts and is good at marketing his people. As someone pointed out, organizations may be willing to do him a favor and interview his guy to build future goodwill in other transactions. But interviewing as a favor is one thing. Hiring a HC as a favor .... Not so much.

2) Marrone has been good at connecting with powerful, well known football minds and positioning them as "mentors" so they talk him up - example Polian "Marrone should be coach of the year candidate"

3) When it comes to hiring a coach, there seems to be a certain disconnect between hiring decision makers (Owners, Presidents, CEOs) and people who really know their grass-roots football. Having been a head coach in the NFL, even a head coach with a losing record, has a certain cachet to these people as proving you can "do the job" with the hope that you just didn't have the right support/players/amount of time/phase of the moon. So Marrone can shake his "winning record with that perennial loser team, the Bills" and he'll get a look.

 

Working against Marrone is

1) Evidently he doesn't interview very well or doesn't have good answers to awkward questions

2) He quit on an NFL team. It's one thing if the team quits on you (fires you) - maybe they had bad judgement, or didn't give you enough time, or ???. But quitting on a team makes the owners look foolish. Marrone made Whaley, Brandon, the Wilsons, and by extension the Pegulas, look foolish. No owner, exec or GM wants to look foolish.

3) The fact that his area of expertise, the Bills OL, improved dramatically after he left, the Bills found a decent QB on the cheap in FA, and the offense improved - not exactly the "tire fire" predicted by that "anonymous former NFL executive" - does not support his quitting behavior as "justified"

4) To the extent that football minds rule the hiring process, I believe they see Marrone as needing to "show something": work himself up through the coaching process (succeed as an OL coach, get another shot as an OC and succeed) before he becomes a viable HC candidate.

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UPDATE!

 

Nihilarian, on 06 Jan 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:snapback.png

Open Jobs

 

NYG-HIRED Ben McAdoo NYG OC

Philly

Cleve-HIRED Hue Jackson ex Bengals OC

SF- HIRED Chip Kelly ex HC Eagles

Miami- HIRED Adam Gase ex Bears OC

Tenn

Tampa Bay

 

Detroit-Jim Caldwell will find out his future when the new GM takes over and gives the decision to keep him or not.= still waiting to hear Caldwell' fate from the new GM.

 

San Fran, it came down to Shanahan or Kelly and with Kelly it was probably to try and resurrect Colin Kaepernick.

 

 

About Doug Marrone, I get all the hate for the guy because he quit on the buffalo Bills. However this is was a such a good thing until the fools in the FO pushed their Rex Ryan agenda and now I hate him for quitting and leaving us with this loud mouth jerk. But then, If not for that loud mouth jerk who ruined a top 4 defense we wouldn't have Richie Incognito, Tyrod Taylor or Percy Harvin.

 

 

Marrone does get a lot of interviews and also gets a lot of respect in NFL circles for what he was able to do in Buffalo in his two years. I'll really be surprised if he doesn't get a HCing job in Philly, TB, Tenn or Detroit. I think he is a better prospect then Mike Mularkey who also quit on Buffalo.

 

Let's face it Jim Schwartz and Greg Roman aren't even getting interviews afaik.

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Another update!

 

Open Jobs

 

NYG-HIRED Ben McAdoo NYG OC

Philly- in the process of hiring Doug Pederson Chiefs OC after this weekends game

Cleve-HIRED Hue Jackson ex Bengals OC

SF- HIRED Chip Kelly ex HC Eagles

Miami- HIRED Adam Gase ex Bears OC

Tenn- Top candidate is Mike Mularkey & in other news Doug Marrone interviewed Thurs

Tampa Bay-HIRED Dirk Koetter Bucs OC

 

Detroit-Jim Caldwell STAYING!

 

One job opening left and Maroon looks to be left out!

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@RapSheet

The #Lions announce that Jim Caldwell is staying as head coach. Officially now just one opening left.

 

Key from #Lions GM Bob Quinn: "It’s clear to me that this team believes in him & responds positively to his leadership." Players spoke up

 

Big piece of Jim Caldwell staying with #Lions: It means coveted offensive coordinator Jim Bob Cooter will stay with him. Huge for Stafford

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@RapSheet

The #Lions announce that Jim Caldwell is staying as head coach. Officially now just one opening left.

 

Key from #Lions GM Bob Quinn: "It’s clear to me that this team believes in him & responds positively to his leadership." Players spoke up

 

Big piece of Jim Caldwell staying with #Lions: It means coveted offensive coordinator Jim Bob Cooter will stay with him. Huge for Stafford

C'mon, man. That CAN'T be his real name.. :worthy:

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@RapSheet

The #Lions announce that Jim Caldwell is staying as head coach. Officially now just one opening left.

 

Key from #Lions GM Bob Quinn: "It’s clear to me that this team believes in him & responds positively to his leadership." Players spoke up

 

Big piece of Jim Caldwell staying with #Lions: It means coveted offensive coordinator Jim Bob Cooter line coach St Doug Maroon will stay with him the Jags. Huge for Stafford The League.

 

Fixed it.

C'mon, man. That CAN'T be his real name.. :worthy:

Oh, yes it is.

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I think you raise a very good point here with the one bolded below but from a different view. The football minds may all say how great of a coach Marrone would be and maybe they are right. But an owner probably sees a HC who took $4 mil worth of money from another team essentially because he could, and thinking that could have been coming out of my pocket. That in turn may completely tur noff any owner. And yes the argument can be made most teams let the GM hire the coach, not the owner. But I'm sure on every team that GM still is getting the owners buy off on the signing. And in Marrone's case, that ain't happening.

 

The other rather interesting thing I heard listening to that Tim Graham and believe Tyler Dunne podcast a week or so back. It sounded like they felt the person who convinced Marrone to walk away was his wife. She was labeled as a control freak which is kind of funny when comparing to Marrone himself.

 

 

 

The hype by Adam Schefter is the symptom, not the disease.

1) Marrone may have the best agent for coaches, Sexton. Sexton has a lot of contacts and is good at marketing his people. As someone pointed out, organizations may be willing to do him a favor and interview his guy to build future goodwill in other transactions. But interviewing as a favor is one thing. Hiring a HC as a favor .... Not so much.

2) Marrone has been good at connecting with powerful, well known football minds and positioning them as "mentors" so they talk him up - example Polian "Marrone should be coach of the year candidate"

3) When it comes to hiring a coach, there seems to be a certain disconnect between hiring decision makers (Owners, Presidents, CEOs) and people who really know their grass-roots football. Having been a head coach in the NFL, even a head coach with a losing record, has a certain cachet to these people as proving you can "do the job" with the hope that you just didn't have the right support/players/amount of time/phase of the moon. So Marrone can shake his "winning record with that perennial loser team, the Bills" and he'll get a look.

 

Working against Marrone is

1) Evidently he doesn't interview very well or doesn't have good answers to awkward questions

2) He quit on an NFL team. It's one thing if the team quits on you (fires you) - maybe they had bad judgement, or didn't give you enough time, or ???. But quitting on a team makes the owners look foolish. Marrone made Whaley, Brandon, the Wilsons, and by extension the Pegulas, look foolish. No owner, exec or GM wants to look foolish.

3) The fact that his area of expertise, the Bills OL, improved dramatically after he left, the Bills found a decent QB on the cheap in FA, and the offense improved - not exactly the "tire fire" predicted by that "anonymous former NFL executive" - does not support his quitting behavior as "justified"

4) To the extent that football minds rule the hiring process, I believe they see Marrone as needing to "show something": work himself up through the coaching process (succeed as an OL coach, get another shot as an OC and succeed) before he becomes a viable HC candidate.

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Pleased for Ken Zampese. He has had to wait his turn - serving as the Bengals QB coach for a staggering TWELVE seasons. The work he has done in that time with reviving John Kitna and then overseeing the development of first Palmer and then Dalton deserves credit. I've followed him for 6 or 7 years now and always wondered how he hasn't been in the frame for OC positions elsewhere.

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I think you raise a very good point here with the one bolded below but from a different view. The football minds may all say how great of a coach Marrone would be and maybe they are right. But an owner probably sees a HC who took $4 mil worth of money from another team essentially because he could, and thinking that could have been coming out of my pocket. That in turn may completely tur noff any owner. And yes the argument can be made most teams let the GM hire the coach, not the owner. But I'm sure on every team that GM still is getting the owners buy off on the signing. And in Marrone's case, that ain't happening.

 

The other rather interesting thing I heard listening to that Tim Graham and believe Tyler Dunne podcast a week or so back. It sounded like they felt the person who convinced Marrone to walk away was mojo44. She was labeled as a control freak which is kind of funny when comparing to Marrone himself.

 

 

IMO.

Nihilarian Veteran

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I look at Doug Marrone getting interviewed by so many teams as the same thing that happened to Dick Harper in the movie "Fun with Dick and Jane". In which another firm asks him to interview for an executive job after he was on TV talking about how great his company is and then gets fired while taking the blame for his old firms disaster of going out of business. The exec's interviewing him all want their picture taken with him while they all laugh about what he said on TV.

 

Teams probably really want to know why he walked away from a very lucrative NFL HCing job after taking that team to a winning record for the first time in a decade.

 

I can only imagine the interviewing team probably starts to chuckle when Marrone says he will hire Hackett as his OC again.

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