Deactivate Mario??

[stevewin]

Sometimes even when he doesn't drop back, he is merely holding his ground. He doesn't pursue the quarterback in this stupid defense. Once in a while he jumps, as if to block a pass. You do see this, no?

 

I cannot understand how a fan could not be outraged. Would people think it was normal if Richard Dent was covering receivers? Or Bruce Smith?

 

The situation is freaky and has destroyed this team.

 

PS: I do believe that he is dogging it. But Pegula will save 12 million if he is cut. It will cost more than 20 mil. to get rid of the biggest cause of failure, which is Rex.

Forgetting about the drop backs - I wonder how many times he is being told to just hold the edge and not go after the QB. In this case it wouldn't matter if he was 1-1 with a TE, if he's being told not to go after the QB it doesn't matter. I think this non-attacking philosophy then just permeated (destroyed) his overall play - with his attitude being "I'm just supposed to fill this space and hold my ground - if that's how they want me to play that's how I'll play"

Edited December 28, 2015 by stevewin

[Best Player Available]

Forgetting about the drop backs - I wonder how many times he is being told to just hold the edge and not go after the QB. In this case it wouldn't matter if he was 1-1 with a TE, if he's being told not to go after the QB it doesn't matter. I think this non-attacking philosophy then just permeated (destroyed) his overall play - with his attitude being "I'm just supposed to fill this space and hold my ground - if that's how they want me to play that's how I'll play"

IMO your giving Mario too much credit. No,doubt Rex has screwed this up bigtime. But some plays he doesn't

Even engage with his opponent. Honestly, I cannot come up with any other Bills Ever playing like that. Going back decades.

[boyst]

IMO your giving Mario too much credit. No,doubt Rex has screwed this up bigtime. But some plays he doesn't

Even engage with his opponent. Honestly, I cannot come up with any other Bills Ever playing like that. Going back decades.

Mario's role in this defense was like Chris Kelsey's.

 

The not engaging hte player like we have seen several times is not uncommon. I am not trying to give a million excuses but when you set and edge and play the outside hold the edge, secure the fort and keep the play inside type of game you end up playing a wait and see defense.

 

Rex ran a 34 in NJ. He had a great pass rushing, disrupting DE who only once got 10.5 sacks. His second best year with Rex was 5.5. This year under Bowles he has 12.5 and a totally different responsibility. The Jets D is entirely made over with scheme and it shows. Rex doesn't know how to use edge defenders to generate pass without exposing a weak interior. With our substandard LB unit we are doomed with the scheme.

 

Rex held them back, he's holding us back!

 

I am going to beat this drum until people listen or until I get banned/threatened with a crusade. Rex Ryan is our problem. Mario Williams is a symptom.

[Bills Fan of St Augustine]

He played 54 snaps (92%) and didn't record a single assisted tackle. He had Zero Point Zero on the stat sheet. It isn't ALL scheme. He isn't wrong about the scheme isn't a good fit for him, no one is saying that he is. But he is not winning his 1:1 battles when he is just rushing passer and you would think he could record an assisted tackle even by accident.

I'd be fine if he just wasn't winning his battles. The problem is that he obviously isn't even trying. He suits up because if he doesn't he doesn't get paid. One play he jumped out of the way of the loose football like if it touched him he would be disfigured. Guy is everything you teach kids not to be on the football field and is a disgrace to himself, his teammates and to the organization. Deactivate him for the Jets game and cut him in the offseason.

[BmarvB]

If Rex would adapt his scheme to maximize what the players do best, This would still be a top 5 unit. He has the players, he just don't know how the to use them right.

Too dang stubborn. And Mario is not helping things either. He's clearly not all in with this and is just going through the motions. Maybe they could trade him to a team willing to part with a couple of quality O-Linemen

[GG]

If Rex would adapt his scheme to maximize what the players do best, This would still be a top 5 unit. He has the players, he just don't know how the to use them right.

Too dang stubborn. And Mario is not helping things either. He's clearly not all in with this and is just going through the motions. Maybe they could trade him to a team willing to part with a couple of quality O-Linemen

 

He does not have the players. The only thing he has are the DLs and the CBs. The Lbs are mediocre as are the safeties. If he ran Schwartz's system, they probably would get more sacks, but also would rank near the bottom in yards and points.

[Webster Guy]

Funny I only see him dropping into passing lanes maybe 10% of the time.

 

The rest of the time I see him failing to beat his right tackle even when singled up.

 

Hard to think a guy like Jarius Wynn would play worse than Mario has this season.

 

It isn't all scheme people, he rushes a lot and just can't get there. Like, ever.

[Solomon Grundy]

Mario is playing how he is coached.

He has not givin up and is still an elite talent.

Releasing him would be a huge mistake.

Imo

+1. I don't believe Doug Whaley would be that stupid to let him go. Will ask for some cap help to bring in better LBs.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Mario's role in this defense was like Chris Kelsey's.

 

The not engaging hte player like we have seen several times is not uncommon. I am not trying to give a million excuses but when you set and edge and play the outside hold the edge, secure the fort and keep the play inside type of game you end up playing a wait and see defense.

 

 

Unfortunately, the tape shows Mario "setting the edge" (cough) by allowing the runner to run right past his face and take the outside for huge gains. If that is what he is being asked to do, then he isn't very good at it.

[Best Player Available]

Mario's role in this defense was like Chris Kelsey's.

 

The not engaging hte player like we have seen several times is not uncommon. I am not trying to give a million excuses but when you set and edge and play the outside hold the edge, secure the fort and keep the play inside type of game you end up playing a wait and see defense.

 

Rex ran a 34 in NJ. He had a great pass rushing, disrupting DE who only once got 10.5 sacks. His second best year with Rex was 5.5. This year under Bowles he has 12.5 and a totally different responsibility. The Jets D is entirely made over with scheme and it shows. Rex doesn't know how to use edge defenders to generate pass without exposing a weak interior. With our substandard LB unit we are doomed with the scheme.

 

Rex held them back, he's holding us back!

 

I am going to beat this drum until people listen or until I get banned/threatened with a crusade. Rex Ryan is our problem. Mario Williams is a symptom.

It's impossible to argue the fact That Ryan needs to go. it was a bad hire from Day 1. How can he possibly justify his failure this season?

he certainly can't say personel. One would think in a hiring like this. That stuff would be hashed out before the deal got inked.

That said I always thought the Bills had a replay guy of their own in the booth. And staff that could keep technology like headsets powered up. The ability to simply use hand signals to call a play in. WRONG!

This franchise has zero soul. Screw the ping pong table. Go to best buy and get some discounted video technology. Right now this is Just a big mouth clown show. Rex is a bad fit for Buffalo's image. besides the fact he is outdated, a poor gameday manager, and basically clueless. Living off his Dad's one great season.

[boyst]

 

Unfortunately, the tape shows Mario "setting the edge" (cough) by allowing the runner to run right past his face and take the outside for huge gains. If that is what he is being asked to do, then he isn't very good at it.

yes. Of recent he doesn't care too much. Its 50/50 that and 50/50 maybe he messed up.

 

I'm not going to fully weigh the effort of a man but it is clear he is not firing on all cylinders. Injured? Lazy? Disinterested? I don't know. He's just not playing as well as he is capable.

 

To put another scoop of **** on Rex. He should see that and pull Mario. If Mario comes out against the Jets effortless than Rex needs to pull him. However he won't because he is a candy ass

[Mr. WEO]

Yeah cutting a guy who was one year removed from being an all pro would be an awesome move. Every player on the defense is underachieving. I wonder why.

 

It happened to Revis 3 times.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

Rex held them back, he's holding us back!

 

I am going to beat this drum until people listen or until I get banned/threatened with a crusade. Rex Ryan is our problem. Mario Williams is a symptom.

 

I'm listening.

 

I would like to know how much difference you think Spikes would have made. That seemed like a "moneyball" decision.

 

 

yes. Of recent he doesn't care too much. Its 50/50 that and 50/50 maybe he messed up.

I'm not going to fully weigh the effort of a man but it is clear he is not firing on all cylinders. Injured? Lazy? Disinterested? I don't know. He's just not playing as well as he is capable.

To put another scoop of **** on Rex. He should see that and pull Mario. If Mario comes out against the Jets effortless than Rex needs to pull him. However he won't because he is a candy ass

 

Doesn't Mario kind of have a past history of going to half-assed effort when he doesn't like the scheme? In Texas, which made him available, then again under Wannstache once it was clear Dave's scheme wasn't going to get it done?

[Mr. WEO]

Funny I only see him dropping into passing lanes maybe 10% of the time.

 

The rest of the time I see him failing to beat his right tackle even when singled up.

 

Hard to think a guy like Jarius Wynn would play worse than Mario has this season.

 

It isn't all scheme people, he rushes a lot and just can't get there. Like, ever.

 

Ba-Bingo.

[GG]

 

I'm listening.

 

I would like to know how much difference you think Spikes would have made. That seemed like a "moneyball" decision.

 

 

If you look at 2014 tapes, Spikes' impact is huge.

[boyst]

 

I'm listening.

 

I would like to know how much difference you think Spikes would have made. That seemed like a "moneyball" decision.

 

 

 

Doesn't Mario kind of have a past history of going to half-assed effort when he doesn't like the scheme? In Texas, which made him available, then again under Wannstache once it was clear Dave's scheme wasn't going to get it done?

It probably was a moneyball decision to some degree. It was also not knowing what we have with the youngsters and Powell got hurt. I do not remember off hand but Spikes played 1/3 of the snaps last year, at most. His role diminished as the season went along, especially in the middle.

There were times when we did not need him against certain teams. However, we needed him in most games at least 3-4 times where it was critical. This year we could have used him. He would have looked awful to the fans, though. He would have consumed blockers much like Brown did except he would be in the right position at the right time.

 

Spikes can fight through traffic, is stouter as a person and provides attitude to the team. His leadership would have helped. He would have likely got in the face of guys like Mario when **** went sour. He got in the face of a few guys last year. The two seemed to be ying and yang last year; I'd have liked to have seen them paired this year.

 

We also needed to have kept a better safety option. Aaron Williams is not a tackler for a safety. I see him regressing in this system next year even more as he beats his body up and as he is not able to use his strengths.

 

Again, Rex Ryan is the sickness. Mario Williams is a symptom. I don't blame Mario for doing what many of us would have done professionally. Most of us can quit/resign. Mario cannot.

 

If you look at 2014 tapes, Spikes' impact is huge.

He would have been left out to dry some this year.

 

Last year he swallowed up blockers. He consumed ball carriers. He found a way to literally get in between the end zone and the ball every single time. The best part about that was that he was also hitting everyone in his path and carrying blockers. He got knocked for being slow but by the time he fought traffic someone else made the play.

 

Schwartz had us like bees swarming to the ball. Ryan has us like ants waiting for someone to cross our line.

[K-9]

this. It's his own fault. Winners do whatever they can to help the team. Losers whine and blame others. He's never won anything. I don't care how many pro bowls he has made or will make. Highly disappointing.

This. I was harping on this theme last week as well. Groups of players become teams when they play for each other, first and foremost. Forget the coaches, forget the fans; players must adopt a foxhole mentality and play for each other. Anything less is an insult. I thought Sammy nailed it again with his postgame comments yesterday.

 

History is littered with great players who never learned the lesson. Mario can take his place on the trash heap.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[GG]

It probably was a moneyball decision to some degree. It was also not knowing what we have with the youngsters and Powell got hurt. I do not remember off hand but Spikes played 1/3 of the snaps last year, at most. His role diminished as the season went along, especially in the middle.

There were times when we did not need him against certain teams. However, we needed him in most games at least 3-4 times where it was critical. This year we could have used him. He would have looked awful to the fans, though. He would have consumed blockers much like Brown did except he would be in the right position at the right time.

 

Spikes can fight through traffic, is stouter as a person and provides attitude to the team. His leadership would have helped. He would have likely got in the face of guys like Mario when **** went sour. He got in the face of a few guys last year. The two seemed to be ying and yang last year; I'd have liked to have seen them paired this year.

 

We also needed to have kept a better safety option. Aaron Williams is not a tackler for a safety. I see him regressing in this system next year even more as he beats his body up and as he is not able to use his strengths.

 

Again, Rex Ryan is the sickness. Mario Williams is a symptom. I don't blame Mario for doing what many of us would have done professionally. Most of us can quit/resign. Mario cannot.

He would have been left out to dry some this year.

 

Last year he swallowed up blockers. He consumed ball carriers. He found a way to literally get in between the end zone and the ball every single time. The best part about that was that he was also hitting everyone in his path and carrying blockers. He got knocked for being slow but by the time he fought traffic someone else made the play.

 

Schwartz had us like bees swarming to the ball. Ryan has us like ants waiting for someone to cross our line.

 

Utter baloney. The absence of Spikes is the reason this defense is so pedestrian. He was the cog in the middle that allowed Schwartz to run the DLs upfield without worrying the backside. Whenever Spikes was out Bradham & Brown were exposed as inferior LBs. That's what you're seeing this year.

 

Of course Mario & Dareus like last year's scheme better because they had a very good player covering their back. This year they don't. There's one player who was here in 2014, who isn't here in 2015 and wasn't here in 2013. Look at the difference in performance.

 

Take out Spikes and mix in a quitting Mario, and you get the 2015 defensive performance.

[boyst]

 

Utter baloney. The absence of Spikes is the reason this defense is so pedestrian. He was the cog in the middle that allowed Schwartz to run the DLs upfield without worrying the backside. Whenever Spikes was out Bradham & Brown were exposed as inferior LBs. That's what you're seeing this year.

 

Of course Mario & Dareus like last year's scheme better because they had a very good player covering their back. This year they don't. There's one player who was here in 2014, who isn't here in 2015 and wasn't here in 2013. Look at the difference in performance.

 

Take out Spikes and mix in a quitting Mario, and you get the 2015 defensive performance.

I don't think we're understanding each other, or that you're understanding me.

 

I agree with you with what I understand.

 

Spikes in this system, though, I do not see him contributing like we would hope. I see him being a liability. Partially without Kyle Williams in there and due to the fact that Dareus doesn't swallow space I see OL beating our DL and eating Spikes alive. I am 50/50 on what would result.

 

Spikes would take up blockers and free up other LB's to make the tackle with the S.

or

Spikes would defeat the blockers and attack the ball consistently actually contributing more than he did last year due to a more consistent and less pressuring system. He would likely be in the backfield more, as part of this. He would have some free reign.

 

I tend to believe the first part. I think it would be better this way, not to mention he would be calling plays and making decisions on the field.

[HT02]

The biggest problem I've found with Rex this year is that he cares more about being liked than being respected. Accountability isn't something that's been his trademark. He hasn't learned a thing being fired from the Jets