PlayoffsPlease Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Doug Whaley used the phrase "QB purgatory" to describe the Bills situation at QB before the season started. Now that the season is almost over, its fair to say the entire team is "mediocre" territory. Whether fans want to accept it or not, Rex Ryan is an average NFL head coach. Like franchise QBs there are a handful of coaches in the NFL that are generally considered outstanding. (and they tend to have outstanding QBs). A coaching change is not likely to make a big difference. Tyrod Taylor performed at an overall average level this season. He was actually above average on executing what he was asked to do, but below average in the sense that he was asked to do less than the better NFL QBs. Special teams is below average. Function of coaching and personnel. Offensive line is below average talent wise Linebackers are below average talent wise When healthy the secondary is above average. Unfortunately they don't seem to be stay healthy. Defensive line is above average talent wise, when properly motivated. Running backs are above average. Wide receivers are average as a group. Tight End play produced at a very pedestrian level this year. There truly aren't glaring holes. But its hard to see how the team rises above the average level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 The defensive personnel is not average, not above average, not good, not even great, but elite. Nothing has changed there since last season except they are now poorly coached. Best defensive line in all of football, and an excellent secondary. A little help at linebacker wouldn't hurt. Elite on defense, average to above average on offense has our personnel looking good in my opinion. Gotta get better on the o line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Still can't fathom how so many people don't get the purgatory statement: the premise is that their record would be too good to garner a top 5 pick with which they could draft a top prospect Also, I disagree with many of your position group assessments: The OL isn't average; they have the top rushing attack in the NFL. That's not average. The LBs are not average; they're bad. The WR group isn't average. Sammy is excellent; the others are very underwhelming. What they need position-wise: QB - vet backup and high draft pick to groom WR- bona fide #2 with size OL - starting RT Edge defender- need at least one pass rusher to replace Mario and complement Hughes ILB - maybe Brown can be salvaged, but need to replace Bradham S - one of Graham or Aaron will be gone (released or retired, respectively) NT - if Rex wants to run his 30 front, he needs a space eater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 this team hasn't had "average" talent in quite sometime. NO team in the NFL is comprised of 100% elite athletes. call me what you'd like, but I think the "talent" overall on this team, exceeds average. now, the coaching, that's another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 It is a fan fantasy that the talent is above average, let alone elite. One player, one, made the pro bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) It is a fan fantasy that the talent is above average, let alone elite. One player, one, made the pro bowl. the pro bowl is a popularity contest. i don't put too much weight into it. the fact that McCoy is going over Darby is a prime example of that. Edited December 26, 2015 by 87168 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 and there we have PPs law of averages. : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Great coaches have great QBs, they don't create great QBs. Great QBs are born with exceptional mental skill and physical ability wrapped into a leader's mindset. Name a great coach and they'll have a great QB. Does Rex have some warts, sure. Lots do if you watch enough. No one is perfect when the play clock is running. What masks lots of bad coaching is excellent QB play. Ask yourself this.... is this a playoff team if the only thing you changed was you replaced TT with Tom Brady? If don't think Brady wins 3-4 more games even with this defense, you're delusional because that's exactly what he's done for years is win high scoring games with a bad defense. Why? Not because the offense is special because outside of Gronk, he's made his bones with some average WRs, RBs and often shoddy lines. but because he's a great QB. Belichek is a good coach, no doubt, but again, if the only thing this team changed was Belichek for Rex, how many wins would that get you? Sure as hell not 3-4 more with TT at QB. No QB, no consistent winning. Doesn't matter who the coach is. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Doug Whaley used the phrase "QB purgatory" to describe the Bills situation at QB before the season started. Now that the season is almost over, its fair to say the entire team is "mediocre" territory. Whether fans want to accept it or not, Rex Ryan is an average NFL head coach. Like franchise QBs there are a handful of coaches in the NFL that are generally considered outstanding. (and they tend to have outstanding QBs). A coaching change is not likely to make a big difference. Tyrod Taylor performed at an overall average level this season. He was actually above average on executing what he was asked to do, but below average in the sense that he was asked to do less than the better NFL QBs. Special teams is below average. Function of coaching and personnel. Offensive line is below average talent wise Linebackers are below average talent wise When healthy the secondary is above average. Unfortunately they don't seem to be stay healthy. Defensive line is above average talent wise, when properly motivated. Running backs are above average. Wide receivers are average as a group. Tight End play produced at a very pedestrian level this year. There truly aren't glaring holes. But its hard to see how the team rises above the average level. This a great post. My only changes: LB's: Awful DL: Yeah either motivation or scheme RB's: To use your term: Unfortunately they don't seem to be stay healthy. The defensive personnel is not average, not above average, not good, not even great, but elite. LOL the 21st ranked D is elite??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman00 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 IMO we have above average talent, below average coaching, and average QB play. And what's even more frustrating is that we have more talent than last tear and this team is worse. Tyrod > Orton McCoy > Spiller KW > Freddie (and I do like Freddie) Incognito > than any LG we had Darby > Leodis Clay > Chandler And yet Marrone and his little league OC got us closer to the playoffs than Rex and his SB OC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 The d-line may have excellent talent, but apparently the Bills do not have the right personnel to run Ryan's scheme. Subtract M. Williams and with K. Williams having injury issues, the d-line is not elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 It is a fan fantasy that the talent is above average, let alone elite. One player, one, made the pro bowl. That one player who made the pro bowl is because people take more notice of the players on winning teams. Buffalo Bills fans above all should know this fact. The undefeated Carolina Panthers have 10 players going to the PB QB- rookie RB-super star- pro bowl WR 1 Star- needs to be more involved in the offense WR 2 NEED WR 3 average WR 4 average WR 5 below average LT average LG star- should have made pro bowl C average RG- sub par- NEED RT- sub par NEED TE- Star- needs to stay healthy and to be more involved in the offense. LDE star DT star DT superstar RDE star SLB- average MLB-sub par NEED WLB- average LCB Star S- NEED S-Star RCB- star Linebacker-Safety-RT-RG-#2 WR needs, and more for that line if the team lets LT Glenn, LG Incognito walk . JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 IMO we have above average talent, below average coaching, and average QB play. And what's even more frustrating is that we have more talent than last tear and this team is worse. Tyrod > Orton McCoy > Spiller KW > Freddie (and I do like Freddie) Incognito > than any LG we had Darby > Leodis Clay > Chandler And yet Marrone and his little league OC got us closer to the playoffs than Rex and his SB OC This is what kills me. We upgraded the offense significantly, and kept 99% of our defensive players.... Yet got worse as a team. That's the Bills for you. No hope. No matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 The defensive personnel is not average, not above average, not good, not even great, but elite. Nothing has changed there since last season except they are now poorly coached. Best defensive line in all of football, and an excellent secondary. A little help at linebacker wouldn't hurt. Elite on defense, average to above average on offense has our personnel looking good in my opinion. Gotta get better on the o line. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 This year Rex has been well below average on so many levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Our Oline is way above average on the left side. Overall we will end the season tops in rushing with decent pass protection. Aside from the Fletcher Cox nightmare, im proud of how well the oline did. Far better than most teams. e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemedic Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 This a great post. My only changes: LB's: Awful DL: Yeah either motivation or scheme RB's: To use your term: Unfortunately they don't seem to be stay healthy. LOL the 21st ranked D is elite??? The scheme is 21st ranked, not the players....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 This is what kills me. We upgraded the offense significantly, and kept 99% of our defensive players.... Yet got worse as a team. That's the Bills for you. No hope. No matter what. If you'd told me the following before the start of the season: - Tyrod would be in the Top 5 in QB rating, and would have a 3:1 TD to INT ratio. - McCoy would be averaging 100 yards/game in rushing + receiving - Watkins would be averaging almost 19 yards per catch, on his way to a 1,000 yard season - Clay would put up stats right in line with what he did in Miami - Darby would outplay McKelvin, injury to McKelvin or not Then I would have told you this was the year the planets finally aligned over Buffalo and we went to the playoffs. [sigh.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 LOL the 21st ranked D is elite??? It's the same players who made up the best defense in the league a year ago when they had a coach who stayed out of their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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