Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 WOW. is that true? what a bad business move. It was one source of friction, but there were myriad others. Per Levy, when Wilson told him he was going to fire Polian, Levy went to talk to him with a well-thought-out list of reasons he shouldn't. Wilson listened, and then said "I agree with everything you say, Marv, but I just can't get along with him"
PromoTheRobot Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 He sounds like our entire O-line is eligible for Medicare. Who's old? Wood? Incognito? The rest are kids.
Rob's House Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Well, his questionable-at-best thoughts on the O-line don't make him look better than an average message board poster. It's a group that needs improvement, but not because of its advanced age. The right side is the problem, and the starters there (Henderson and Miller) have a combined three years' experience. Old man Incognito is terrific. So is Glenn, who's 26. Wood isn't great, but he's solid enough - and not even 30 yet. Here I have to disagree with you. 3 of the Bills 4 best OL will be 30+ to start the next season. Put differently, there is only player currently on the OL who isn't a major project or bust who will be under 30 next season. His assessment on that was accurate and I feel I should give credit where it is due. Of course, a broken clock is right twice a day.
Augie Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 He sounds like our entire O-line is eligible for Medicare. Who's old? Wood? Incognito? The rest are kids. Maybe Marshall Faulk helped him do his research?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 "Aging offensive line" = Eric Wood (Sorry to say). Funny, no mention of LB's, switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 defense and dumb ass penalties in his brief analysis. Did you read the article? He really tore into Rex Ryan's scheme, Big Time.
jahnyc Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 I am getting a bit tired of all of this drama. Players speaking out, Polian giving his thoughts, and reports of friction between the coaches and the GM. The leaks are also out of control, and I would like to see some semblance of order restored. If it means a czar and/or a new GM, so be it. Let them figure out what to do about Rex and the coaching staff.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Here I have to disagree with you. 3 of the Bills 4 best OL will be 30+ to start the next season. Put differently, there is only player currently on the OL who isn't a major project or bust who will be under 30 next season. His assessment on that was accurate and I feel I should give credit where it is due. Of course, a broken clock is right twice a day. Three of the starters are Glenn (LT), Miller (RG) and Henderson.(RT). Which of them is the good guy and which are the major projects/busts in your view? Urbik is older but he is and should be regarded as the backup - he has the edge on pass protection vs rookie Miller but Miller is a better pulling guard for the run by far.
Chilly Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Polian is amazing but his 07-11 drafts with the Colts were generally terrible. Some red flags in his recent track record. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/draft.htm I personally like Whaley and don't want him having Polian tell him who to draft.
Omar Little Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) The story about Jim Leonhard is really telling. He is a player we knew was marginal but who hung on in NY for a while. Polian's story seems a bit too specific to be false. I totally believe it. Leonhard played under Ryan or a Ryan disciple, Pettine, for almost all of his career from 2008-14. Here I have to disagree with you. 3 of the Bills 4 best OL will be 30+ to start the next season. Put differently, there is only player currently on the OL who isn't a major project or bust who will be under 30 next season. His assessment on that was accurate and I feel I should give credit where it is due. Of course, a broken clock is right twice a day. Two are starters, Incognito and Wood (if Incognito sticks around), and neither is remotely a problem. Who's the third? Urbik? Having a 30-something depth player isn't an issue. Again, the two youngest starters on the line are the weakest links. Edited December 24, 2015 by Omar Little
DanInUticaTampa Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 So, what is his opinion on that defense of ours?
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 You don't need a czar to come up with those fixes. But even those won't help with Rex running the show on the field. No need for a czar to come up with that one either.
Rob's House Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Three of the starters are Glenn (LT), Miller (RG) and Henderson.(RT). Which of them is the good guy and which are the major projects/busts in your view? Urbik is older but he is and should be regarded as the backup - he has the edge on pass protection vs rookie Miller but Miller is a better pulling guard for the run by far. Miller is a project, Henderson is a depth player. Urbik is better suited as a backup but is, at the moment, a better overall player than both. That's kind of the point. The young guys aren't good and the good guys aren't young.....or even that good.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 He sounds like our entire O-line is eligible for Medicare. Who's old? Wood? Incognito? The rest are kids. Wood is 29, Cog is 32, and backup guard/C Urbik is 30. Pretty common for both OL and DLmen to have long careers.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 24, 2015 Author Posted December 24, 2015 He sounds like our entire O-line is eligible for Medicare. Who's old? Wood? Incognito? The rest are kids.
Augie Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 So, what is his opinion on that defense of ours? Did you read it? If not, it's worth the time. No kind words for Rex or the scheme.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Is he even a good scout?? That may be pushing it! The other name he'd like push is AJ Smith who I'd also want to keep as far away as possible. That is my concern. That he would insist that Chris should be the "football csar." Chris is a good scout, he's not GM material, let alone csar material. GO BILLS!!!
purple haze Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) Exactly - the last thing we need is another level of management that may spin us into some other direction that NO ONE agrees with (even if the current direction doesn't appear to be working at the moment). Loved the quote: “You can win with Tyrod if the other pieces are good,” Polian said. “If there are six or seven Pro Bowlers at other positions, you can win with Tyrod. But he’s not the quarterback of the future. He’s not Jim Kelly, and, although he doesn’t have the same track record, he’s probably comparable to Frank Reich. But he’s not 6-feet-4 like Frank Reich. He’s small and he’s going to get hurt, and he did." Tyrod isn't Jim Kelly!? Nooooo. And please, who in the league current IS comparable to Jimbo? That's what I thought... They most definitely can win with Tyrod. I don't think it requires 6 or 7 pro bowlers either; it would take a dominant offensive line. Tyrod, also, would need to continue to improve. I do agree that the Bills should still be drafting a QB to develop behind him. I don't think the offense was the main issue this season. This season was about the defense. And that is Rex. I would get rid of him because I don't trust his judgement; i.e. I don't think he is willing to change. He is too stubborn. Edited December 24, 2015 by purple haze
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Miller is a project, Henderson is a depth player. Urbik is better suited as a backup but is, at the moment, a better overall player than both. That's kind of the point. The young guys aren't good and the good guys aren't young.....or even that good. Fair enough, but you seem to be making a case for disagreeing with Polian. The OL badly needs upgrade, but not because they're "aging and unathletic", rather because the two guys drafted 2 years ago as RTs don't seem to be panning out and the rookie didn't succeed in punching his ticket as a sure-fire 2016 starter.
Omar Little Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Miller is a project, Henderson is a depth player. Urbik is better suited as a backup but is, at the moment, a better overall player than both. That's kind of the point. The young guys aren't good and the good guys aren't young.....or even that good. The LT, LG and C are all legitimately good players. Not a single one of them is so old that it's problematic. Polian should've just said the right side of the line is terrible and needs fixing. Then he'd have actually sounded clued in on this subject.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 The LT, LG and C are all legitimately good players. Not a single one of them is so old that it's problematic. Polian should've just said the right side of the line is terrible and needs fixing. Then he'd have actually sounded clued in on this subject. But it wouldn't have had that consultant-like "sound bite" ring to it.
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