Boobie reiterates what some of us knew...

[Coach Tuesday]

Here we go again. Big Cat has an opinion about something. Prepare to be bashed over the head with it!

 

It's a good point tho...

[Never NEVER Give-up]

 

I think you (and other fans like you) are sorely mistaken about what leadership is.

 

What I see is a coach leading his players to the water. And you fans like you saying he failed them for not telling them/forcing them to drink it.

 

Oh they drank it - but they slobbered it all over themselves. Execution was not there. Togetherness was not there - that's on the players.

[The Big Cat]

Who Aaron Williams?

 

Him out of the lineup is the biggest reason the defense went down hill?

 

If you're going to flatly deny that reality, then there's no use discussing anything with you.

 

Oh they drank it - but they slobbered it all over themselves. Execution was not there. Togetherness was not there - that's on the players.

 

I think the analogy eludes you--that's not as harsh as it sounds, but your post above doesn't really get to what I meant to convey. Perhaps that's my fault.

[White Linen]

 

Using sarcasm to mask the fact that a key defensive leader went down seven quarters into the season. Bold strategy.

 

Is this mic on? Well it's about to be on. We're building a bully.

 

Clearly it's the players fault they didn't back up his words.

[Acantha]

I think you (and other fans like you) are sorely mistaken about what leadership is.

 

What I see is a coach leading his players to the water. And you fans like you saying he failed them for not telling them/forcing them to drink it.

No, I'm saying that Rex doesn't lead his team to water. THAT'S the metaphor for creating a solid team atmosphere. Creating that atmosphere, and mentoring players along the way, is what creates team leaders. This stuff doesn't happen by itself in ANY organization, and is especially unlikely in an organization full of young, often undereducated millionaire athletes! They NEED leadership.

[fansince88]

Just pointing out we had players-only meetings the 15 years before this.

Love your point!

[Alphadawg7]

Funny. I read this and think the exact opposite of what you're saying.

 

Lets look at the facts...

 

These players have been under achieving for a while. Everyone blames coaches, but at what point do players get held responsible? Coaches are not gods, they can't fix stupid, and players have to execute and buy in. And I see a team full of guys who mentally don't come through, make too many mistakes, don't always seem to bring it.

 

Hughes is a perfect example...people flip out on Rex when Hughes does something dumb, which is just about every game it would seem. Yet, they fail to realize he's always done these things its just his positives aren't over shadowing his negatives right now. Add in the fact that we have been hit hard by injuries have to dig into our depth, practice squad, and guys on the street to field teams and that just further adds to the equation.

[The Big Cat]

No, I'm saying that Rex doesn't lead his team to water. THAT'S the metaphor for creating a solid team atmosphere. Creating that atmosphere, and mentoring players along the way, is what creates team leaders. This stuff doesn't happen by itself in ANY organization, and is especially unlikely in an organization full of young, often undereducated millionaire athletes! They NEED leadership.

 

 

That's a selective interpretation.

 

History shows us that Rex's teams have historically fallen short thanks to mind-boggling blunders on offense.

 

He has consistently designed schemes that succeed. THAT'S the water. He's consistently had locker rooms that would lay down and die for him. THAT'S the water. For you to insinuate that Rex has not and cannot and there for DID not do that is willfully blind to everything we knew about the man four short months ago.

The reality? Lol.

 

The reality is Rex forcing a scheme down these players throats that they clearly don't fit has been the downfall.

 

Since when did Aaron Williams rush the passer?

 

Yeah, we're done here.

[Acantha]

Lets look at the facts...

 

These players have been under achieving for a while. Everyone blames coaches, but at what point do players get held responsible? Coaches are not gods, they can't fix stupid, and players have to execute and buy in. And I see a team full of guys who mentally don't come through, make too many mistakes, don't always seem to bring it.

 

Hughes is a perfect example...people flip out on Rex when Hughes does something dumb, which is just about every game it would seem. Yet, they fail to realize he's always done these things its just his positives aren't over shadowing his negatives right now. Add in the fact that we have been hit hard by injuries have to dig into our depth, practice squad, and guys on the street to field teams and that just further adds to the equation.

I'm not trying to take all responsibility off the players, but the team that the Jets became under Rex is so similar to what we're seeing in the Bills it's scary.

 

Let's look more closely at Hughes. Remember the fiasco last year when Pepper pulled him from the game for doing something dumb? That's leadership demanding accountability. Of course everyone here was outraged, but hey, that never changes.

 

Do you think Rex would do something like that like? Hell no! Instead, he fights for players who break their QBs jaw.

 

I'm sorry, you can't tell me the atmosphere created by leadership in an organization has no consequence to how these players act. That doesn't mean players have no responsibility for themselves, it just means it's really not surprising (especially if you've paid attention to the Rex Ryan Jets) that this team is fighting amongst themselves and not exhibiting self leadership.

[Alphadawg7]

Who Aaron Williams?

 

Him out of the lineup is the biggest reason the defense went down hill?

 

The loss of AW was massive, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Not only did it hurt an already very thin roster at Safety and injury plagued secondary, but he was a big defensive leader on this team and on the field.

[The Big Cat]

 

The loss of AW was massive, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Not only did it hurt an already very thin roster at Safety and injury plagued secondary, but he was a big defensive leader on this team and on the field.

 

He will not acknowledge it. Don't bother. Is unwillingness to do so is very very telling.

[Alphadawg7]

I'm not trying to take all responsibility off the players, but the team that the Jets became under Rex is so similar to what we're seeing in the Bills it's scary.

 

Let's look more closely at Hughes. Remember the fiasco last year when Pepper pulled him from the game for doing something dumb? That's leadership demanding accountability. Of course everyone here was outraged, but hey, that never changes.

 

Do you think Rex would do something like that like? Hell no! Instead, he fights for players who break their QBs jaw.

 

I'm sorry, you can't tell me the atmosphere created by leadership in an organization has no consequence to how these players act. That doesn't mean players have no responsibility for themselves, it just means it's really not surprising (especially if you've paid attention to the Rex Ryan Jets) that this team is fighting amongst themselves and not exhibiting self leadership.

 

Um, Rex took that team and made it good enough to be on the door step of the SB two years in a row. The GM killed that team, not Rex. That was one of the worst stints of any GM I have seen in the league, and to blame Rex for his faults isn't really fair.

[Augie]

have never seen a team hold a "players only" meeting and go on to a successful season. Boobie wanted em so bad, call one.

Good point. Maybe a bowling excursion? No? We need to do some bickering? Set it up Boobie!

[Acantha]

That's a selective interpretation.

 

History shows us that Rex's teams have historically fallen short thanks to mind-boggling blunders on offense.

 

He has consistently designed schemes that succeed. THAT'S the water. He's consistently had locker rooms that would lay down and die for him. THAT'S the water. For you to insinuate that Rex has not and cannot and there for DID not do that is willfully blind to everything we knew about the man four short months ago.

 

 

Yeah, we're done here.

I guess what you knew about Rex four short months ago is different than what I knew. This isn't selective thinking here, and I'm not just talking about what happens on the field to lose games. In fact I'm hardly talking about that at all. I'm talking about the locker room and how little "team" value seems to be there. I'm talking about how there's doesn't seem to be any player leadership forming. That is apparently, based on his two teams worth of history, a classic Rex environment.

[PromoTheRobot]

Love your point!

Hope it doesn't come off douchey. Just hope this revelation doesn't absolve Rex for his failures.

[FireChan]

 

Um, Rex took that team and made it good enough to be on the door step of the SB two years in a row. The GM killed that team, not Rex. That was one of the worst stints of any GM I have seen in the league, and to blame Rex for his faults isn't really fair.

Lol the GM killed the team that gave Rex 6 defensive 1st or 2nd rounders in a row? I'm sure that had no effect on why their offenses were terrible.

[Acantha]

Um, Rex took that team and made it good enough to be on the door step of the SB two years in a row. The GM killed that team, not Rex. That was one of the worst stints of any GM I have seen in the league, and to blame Rex for his faults isn't really fair.

I agree the GM sucked and screwed up the talent on the team. It basically has no relationship to what I'm saying.

[Freddie's Dead]

What we've learned from Sammy and Boobie is that cutting Fred was a huge mistake. Fred was the leader in that locker room, and there was no one to take over when he left. This is also an indictment of Tyrod Taylor, who should have been taking the reins, but clearly didn't. I said weeks ago that this team is rudderless and was roundly criticized for it. It appears now that the team IS rudderless. Credit to Sammy for stepping up, especially as a player in only his second year. Shame on the veterans in that locker room for putting Sammy in that position. Maybe we should just blow this $h!t up.

[The Big Cat]

I guess what you knew about Rex four short months ago is different than what I knew. This isn't selective thinking here, and I'm not just talking about what happens on the field to lose games. In fact I'm hardly talking about that at all. I'm talking about the locker room and how little "team" value seems to be there. I'm talking about how there's doesn't seem to be any player leadership forming. That is apparently, based on his two teams worth of history, a classic Rex environment.

 

Two critical questions:

1. Has Rex's scheme worked elsewhere?
2. Does Rex have a reputation for having players that love him?

[MarkAF43]

I think it's an interesting point, and it's not just about the players only meetings and the coaching change. When Fred (the last leader we had was released), there has to be someone on the team that can step into that role. It's not something that can be delegated. It needs to be someone with the leadership qualities to be able to do it. Regardless of Rex being hired or anything else you want to look at, not one player filled that void. That's truly on the players not on the coaching staff, leadership cannot be forced onto a player.