26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 You believe what you want to believe because it fits your narrative. If the team makes changes this off-season (and there's a chance they will) I expect your daily activity to dwindle. I couldn't care any less about what you expect. Your opinions and thoughts have zero value for me one way or the other.
PlayoffsPlease Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 Last year even the NFL wanted the new team owners to hire an NFL experienced senior adviser, and they declined for whatever reason. I'm thinking Russ Brandon had a lot to do with that. Just think if this new hire doesn't want to keep Rex Ryan after this year then the Pegula's will have over 24 million in lost money due to Rex's contract, and St Doug's walk away clause. Pegs spent 1,4 billion on the team. 0.02 billion more isn't going to factor in.
4merper4mer Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 Uh Charles Clay? Look at his contract. I can't think of any reason for such an odd structuring to a contract. Oh wait, yes I can.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 Pegs spent 1,4 billion on the team. 0.02 billion more isn't going to factor in. It's not a matter of money as much as it would be making a big decision on Rex and then abandoning it after one year into it. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to operate in that fashion.
Mojo44 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 So an offense in the top 10 in points in the NFL "sucks"? I agree the playcalling at times leaves you shaking your head, but it's miles better than what we've had for most of this drought. We have 10 wins with last year's D and this offense. He's also done this with a QB in his first season, and has gotten mostly good with some spectacular play from Taylor, far more than we had a right to expect... This only looks at one side of the equation regarding the offense. Regardless of the rather misleading total stats, the Bills were in 4 or 5 games in which the offense could/should have moved down the field at the end for a winning or tying score. TT was an epic failure each time. This is actuarial fact and not debatable. And a rationalization like "if the Bills played better on D and didn't have all those penalties they wouldn't be in that position" doesn't matter. I'm fine with seeing how TT develops but he absolutely deserves that criticism.
May Day 10 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 I was all about the rex hire. Even hoping after like week 5 last year the Jets would suck and fire him so we can get him. Very pumped when they got him. However, everything that people warned us about has come to fruition and is painfully obvious. I was even in denial after the Pats game. Coaches in this league don't win by pounding their chests. They win by privately obsessing over every detail for that week's game and getting their players ready. It was a bad decision. Maybe he catches lighting in a bottle once or twice in 5 years and they get a wild card. It doesn't seem like it being fans of this.... team, but odds are every team should. The fact the last HC walked away and that it seems like Whaley was largely bypassed by owners and upper management to hire Rex Ryan to a huge deal is troubling and not indicative of a successful football program. Then they also signed away a ton of money to players who now are seemingly unhappy. I am surprised that Pegula didnt have a guy in mind/place last october and seemed to be scrambling to court Polian last January when things kind of hit the fan. Its not too late to start now. Things will hit the rocks with this structure.... I cant believe we are seeing it happen already a bit. Might as well rip off the band-aid now and build the program.
Mojo44 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 There are much bigger issues regarding Rex as a deficient coach that have little to do with his inability to bring in aging veteran players to teach his "system". Rex's record as a coach in NY was a losing record. By the time he got fired the team he was instrumental in assembling and coaching was in chaos. When you describe the character of a Rex coached team one word that won't be associated with it is discipline. Another word not associated with a Rex coached team is intelligence. Another word not associated with his teams is maturity. People are now bringing up hypothetical issues such as "what if this" and "what if that" in order to explain the stunning descent of a team. What has happened with the Bills should not have been a surprise. The same destructive cycle happened in NY. Our organization enthusiastically hired a failed HC that another organization was relieved to get rid of. Rex didn't have a successful tenure in NY. He had a cumulative losing record. Yet the Bills' organization found him to be an appealing candidate based on an impressive interview. Just think about it. A bullshiiiit interview proved to be more persuasive than a six year losing record ending in chaos The Jets are now a stabilized organization under a stolid but professional coach. This year they weren't subjected to the circus act that always surrounds this attention grabbing hound dog coach. When one of their marginal players punched their qb in the locker room and broke his jaw the Jets immediately responded by cutting him. Our clown coach immediately added him to the roster. That's the type of thuggish and dump player that appeals to this fool coach. The bottom line is that the Rex Ryan that we now got is the Rex Ryan we brought in. This nightmare season all comes down to this! The Pegulas were bamboozled and made a drastic mistake. No matter how much it costs Ryan has to go!!! I did predict this when he was first hired hoping I was wrong. Sadly I wasn't.
Fan in Chicago Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 It's time for the #czar. I am going to point a finger at Pegula also. It appears he hired RR and has Ryan reporting directly to him. IMHO, an owner needs to get his paws off such hiring decisions. If TP gets a czar, he should also be prepared to give up meddling and control on the decisions for coaching and players. I am not going out too much on a limb if I sat that Pegula knows money but didn't know jack squat about building a winning NFL franchise
YoloinOhio Posted December 21, 2015 Author Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) @jchenelly: Division over Mario Williams. Coaches feel he let team down in leadership dept. Personnel guys feel he wasnt used right. No one happy #Bills IMO - both are true, and it doesn't matter which side is "right" - he would have needed to have a great year to justify keeping him and he did not, not all on him OR all on scheme. He was gone either way due to how he played and acted, regardless of scheme. Edited December 21, 2015 by YoloinOhio
jeffismagic Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 Pegulas make mistakes but I really hope they don't make moves just to sell fans on "change". The only czar they should be looking for is a Quarterback czar. That czar is responsible for gathering intelligence on all QB's in the next three drafts and reports directly to Whaley. Pegula leaves Whaley in place but tells him to get at least 2 QB's in the next 3 drafts that he can develop.
Nihilarian Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 There are much bigger issues regarding Rex as a deficient coach that have little to do with his inability to bring in aging veteran players to teach his "system". Rex's record as a coach in NY was a losing record. By the time he got fired the team he was instrumental in assembling and coaching was in chaos. When you describe the character of a Rex coached team one word that won't be associated with it is discipline. Another word not associated with a Rex coached team is intelligence. Another word not associated with his teams is maturity. People are now bringing up hypothetical issues such as "what if this" and "what if that" in order to explain the stunning descent of a team. What has happened with the Bills should not have been a surprise. The same destructive cycle happened in NY. Our organization enthusiastically hired a failed HC that another organization was relieved to get rid of. Rex didn't have a successful tenure in NY. He had a cumulative losing record. Yet the Bills' organization found him to be an appealing candidate based on an impressive interview. Just think about it. A bullshiiiit interview proved to be more persuasive than a six year losing record ending in chaos The Jets are now a stabilized organization under a stolid but professional coach. This year they weren't subjected to the circus act that always surrounds this attention grabbing hound dog coach. When one of their marginal players punched their qb in the locker room and broke his jaw the Jets immediately responded by cutting him. Our clown coach immediately added him to the roster. That's the type of thuggish and dump player that appeals to this fool coach. The bottom line is that the Rex Ryan that we now got is the Rex Ryan we brought in. I have a difficult time believing that these new owners were so full of themselves that they made the decision to hire solely on who they liked as their new head coach. It's been my contention that either Doug Whaley, Russ Brandon or both gave the new Bills owners the pitch that Rex Ryan was the right guy considering Ryans past history of building great defenses. Clearly those two didn't want any more of George Edwards- Dave Wannstedt type seasons. Yet that is exactly what they got with Ryan, and, of course, the penalties, sloppy play, lack of team discipline. It is my take that both men heard about the near Polian hire and asked for more time to show that they could build a winner in Buffalo. Like I said, that if the Pegula's hire the right NFL experienced man to run the football operations side of the team then the fans should be very happy in the days to come.
GoPre Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 I do partly agree with this. I am not big into canning a coach after the first year but this was a big mistake hiring and it is brutally obvious. Whaley I don't know. He has done some good things, he also has done some things that are fireable offenses. Drafting EJ & then pushing him on not one but 2 coaching staffs, trading up for Watkins when we could of had Beckham if we just sat tight. I don't know tough call. Beckham is a great receiver, but his ceiling, in my opinion, isn't as high as Watkins. Beckham has a talented qb to get him the ball. Also has an OC that wants him targeted quite often. Not bashing Taylor, but he's not Eli Manning. And Roman is a bust. Watkins would have better numbers than Beckham if he was a Giant and Beckahm was a Bill.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 Sure it does. The teams a disaster and a lot of that has to do with the loudmouth they hired as head coach. Pulling the trigger now instead of a year or two down the line would be smart because it isn't going to get better with Rex. Guarantee that. A disappointment? Absolutely! A disaster is taking it too far IMO.
GG Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 I am surprised that Pegula didnt have a guy in mind/place last october and seemed to be scrambling to court Polian last January when things kind of hit the fan. Its not too late to start now. Things will hit the rocks with this structure.... I cant believe we are seeing it happen already a bit. Might as well rip off the band-aid now and build the program. i don't think this was the case at all. I think that skids were greased for Polian to come on board, but he flaked after Saint walked out.
eball Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 It would be surprising to me if Rex survives and Whaley is ousted. To my biased eye, probably 95% of the problems with this year's team speak right to coaching. When all of the players talk about the talent that has been assembled it's hard not to listen. I am fine with Pegula hiring a "czar" as long as he isn't a dinosaur like Polian. I'm still glad Marrone is gone. The Rex honeymoon (for me) finally ended with the loss in Philly.
jeffismagic Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 I have a difficult time believing that these new owners were so full of themselves that they made the decision to hire solely on who they liked as their new head coach. It's been my contention that either Doug Whaley, Russ Brandon or both gave the new Bills owners the pitch that Rex Ryan was the right guy considering Ryans past history of building great defenses. Clearly those two didn't want any more of George Edwards- Dave Wannstedt type seasons. Yet that is exactly what they got with Ryan, and, of course, the penalties, sloppy play, lack of team discipline. It is my take that both men heard about the near Polian hire and asked for more time to show that they could build a winner in Buffalo. Like I said, that if the Pegula's hire the right NFL experienced man to run the football operations side of the team then the fans should be very happy in the days to come. Aren't there rumors that Whaley wanted Hue Jackson? That would make sense as NFL GM's know way more about how 4-3 style defensive players don't all fit nicely in a 3-4 pressure D? I think Whaley who was on thin ice would be crazy to recommend a coach that would change the very thing that the Bills had the most money in.
TPS Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 @jchenelly: Division over Mario Williams. Coaches feel he let team down in leadership dept. Personnel guys feel he wasnt used right. No one happy #Bills IMO - both are true, and it doesn't matter which side is "right" - he would have needed to have a great year to justify keeping him and he did not, not all on him OR all on scheme. He was gone either way due to how he played and acted, regardless of scheme. Precisely the problem, which was created by hiring someone on the D side of the ball with a completely different philosophy.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 How does a GM take a lesser role? He becomes Director of Player Personnel. Keep him happy, sort of, by maintaining his current salary. Whaley has done a good job and should be retained. The guy who has to be replaced is Rex, the sooner the better.
GG Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 @jchenelly: Division over Mario Williams. Coaches feel he let team down in leadership dept. Personnel guys feel he wasnt used right. No one happy #Bills . I'm with the coaches on this one. Early on, Mario complained about dropping back in coverage. Yet if you look at the plays, those were a tiny portion of defensive snaps. His numbers across the board were pathetic and you cannot point to the scheme for him rarely winning one on one battles. He was almost never double teamed this year and still had the worst year in his career. My theory on Mario is that he knew this is essentially his contract year but Rex's scheme called on him being a more rounded DE/LB. We know Mario is a mercurial personality, and probably decided to take the year off. His post game comments were very telling. Insurgents? Really? After his performance this year, the question should be asked of him if he led a mutiny against a scheme that would hurt his personal statistics.
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