Best Player Available Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Can he come to us and cash paychecks with a mask on so we can win the division next year at 11-5? he didn't do crap with the fish. Funny though I always thought he would have been with the Bills in some capacity. To fnish his AFCE worked with every team record. Among others. IMO the Tuna is Rex with a brain. Cocky and at one time a Pretty dam good coach.
bbb Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) 2007 2007 NFL AFC East 4th 1 15 0 Jason Taylor (WPMOY) 2008 2008 NFL AFC East 1st 11 5 0 Lost Wild Card Playoffs (Ravens) 27–9 Chad Pennington (CBPOY) Edited December 22, 2015 by bbb
Rico Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Ehhh, ok. I'll give it a "close enough" for now. But if that is really the only case, I'm not so confident about bringing in the chin. Reminds me of what we already tried with Levy. You'll have Cowher chiming in on draft picks, and coaching. Before long, we have another "GM by committee" situation. I'd rather just see a re-structure where the HC reports to the GM, and the GM reports to Pegula. You can do that if you move DW to scouting and get a strong GM in here.
YoloinOhio Posted December 23, 2015 Author Posted December 23, 2015 Can he come to us and cash paychecks with a mask on so we can win the division next year at 11-5? ha - I think the consensus was he was not really an integral part of that turnaround
DrDawkinstein Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 You can do that if you move DW to scouting and get a strong GM in here. Id rather promote Whaley and watch him grow and develop in the role, than demote him and start rebuilding someone else's roster. Which strong GM that's available are you thinking about?
reddogblitz Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 ha - I think the consensus was he was not really an integral part of that turnaround I'd love to hire someone who can get us to 11-5 and playoffs without playing an integral role.
Rico Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 Id rather promote Whaley and watch him grow and develop in the role, than demote him and start rebuilding someone else's roster. Which strong GM that's available are you thinking about? I don't really have anyone in mind, but it doesn't appear that Pegs agrees with you. Maybe he will surprise me.
CardinalScotts Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 Totally agree with you about Whaley over values some players. ALL GMS DO
DrDawkinstein Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 I don't really have anyone in mind, but it doesn't appear that Pegs agrees with you. Maybe he will surprise me. Yeah, I dont think Terry would do it either. Was just thinking out loud.
YoloinOhio Posted December 23, 2015 Author Posted December 23, 2015 I'd love to hire someone who can get us to 11-5 and playoffs without playing an integral role. why bring him on if he didn't have anything to do with it?
DrDawkinstein Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) ALL GMS DO Right? Remember all those years of saying we wish we had a GM who could/would make moves and sign players? Remember "Ralph is Cheap"? I guess now it's "Doug spends too much". I'd love to hire someone who can get us to 11-5 and playoffs without playing an integral role. why bring him on if he didn't have anything to do with it? Imagine if we brought Parcells in as President while Marrone was here?!? Those two together... But speaking of Parcells... imagine if we did bring him in as czar. Wonder who his choice for coach would've been... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/19/while-running-the-dolphins-parcells-recommended-rex-ryan-to-the-jets/ Edited December 23, 2015 by DrDareustein
reddogblitz Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 why bring him on if he didn't have anything to do with it? It's hard to argue with results.
starrymessenger Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 You can do that if you move DW to scouting and get a strong GM in here. I would further limit him to scouting players on defence. That's about the right speed IMO.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 I will say that Cowher was a great coach, but a terrible gameday manager. I think he could squeeze a lot out of his players, but he was one of those guys that on gameday, he mismanaged timeouts and the clock and was generally clueless. My sense is that in today's NFL, where it seems like sideline management and in-game adjustments are more important, he may not be as effective. Good points, but there's also this: every account indicates that being a successful football HC is an all-encompasing job-and-a-half featuring nights on the office coach and scheduling time for a 1/2 hr chat with the family. It takes a driven, hungry individual to pull that off and like it. The Chin has had a much less demanding prime-time cushy gig for years now. Are there any successful instances of "personality" former successful football guys (coaches or GMs or presidents) who have moved on into broadcasting and come back to active football to win success?
Rico Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 I would further limit him to scouting players on defence. That's about the right speed IMO. You definitely don't want him looking at QBs... probably a big reason why he never got the clout in the first place when Pegs took over.
DrDawkinstein Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) You definitely don't want him looking at QBs... probably a big reason why he never got the clout in the first place when Pegs took over. GMs miss on QBs all the time. Whaley even traded DOWN when he (and Buddy) was picking EJ. Ozzie Newsome started building a defense and missed big time on his first QB, Kyle Boller, before getting it right a few years later. Let the guy develop in the role. imo Edited December 23, 2015 by DrDareustein
Rico Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 GMs miss on QBs all the time. Whaley even traded DOWN when he (and Buddy) was picking EJ. Ozzie Newsome started building a defense and missed big time on his first QB, Kyle Boller, before getting it right a few years later. Let the guy develop in the role. imo Agreed, difference being that Ozzie didn't push Boller down Billick's throat.
May Day 10 Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 I dont thiink i trust that anyone in the bills organization is capable of identifying and developing a top 10 qb.
starrymessenger Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 GMs miss on QBs all the time. Whaley even traded DOWN when he (and Buddy) was picking EJ. Ozzie Newsome started building a defense and missed big time on his first QB, Kyle Boller, before getting it right a few years later. Let the guy develop in the role. imo He's bad at drafting for O in general. WRs, O-line. EJ was just the cherry on top.
Dragonborn10 Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 Well maybe there is hope after all. Pegula is not stupid and probably is seeing the organization is a mess so the right way t build it is hire the guy who than hires the coach and rest of football staff like scouts etc. plus his son tweet about the defense yesterday shows that things are not going well for the RX Ryan show How do you know Pegula is not stupid? You have never met him. He could be worse than Ralph for all we know.
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