D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Or made a statement on the talent he has to work with. Taylor is the best QB the Bills have had in awhile, but he's not the answer. Rex isn't the answer either, but we knew that a couple years ago Says who? You LMAO. Another Tyrod isn't the answer, because I said so guy. You can't say that without saying WHO the alternative is. I'm tired of those who are spouting off without a good alternative. And don't say you want a franchise QB through the draft. Everyone wants to draft that guy, you cannot guarantee that and the games go on. So TT is a solid NFL QB and he could be the answer to the playoffs.
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Or made a statement on the talent he has to work with. Taylor is the best QB the Bills have had in awhile, but he's not the answer. Rex isn't the answer either, but we knew that a couple years ago Im sorry this post makes no sense....no sense at all Says who? You LMAO. Another Tyrod isn't the answer, because I said so guy. You can't say that without saying WHO the alternative is. I'm tired of those who are spouting off without a good alternative. And don't say you want a franchise QB through the draft. Everyone wants to draft that guy, you cannot guarantee that and the games go on. So TT is a solid NFL QB and he could be the answer to the playoffs. I get so tired of these posts that offer zero alternative but for some reason they know more then an NFL professionals (and those professionals continue to accumulate) Â "well yeah this happened but"
Adam Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Says who? You LMAO. Another Tyrod isn't the answer, because I said so guy. You can't say that without saying WHO the alternative is. I'm tired of those who are spouting off without a good alternative. And don't say you want a franchise QB through the draft. Everyone wants to draft that guy, you cannot guarantee that and the games go on. So TT is a solid NFL QB and he could be the answer to the playoffs. OK, you take my statement of him not being the answer to me saying he should be immediately cut, with a press conference declaring that anyone who signs him should be fired? Hello no. I don't believe he is a starting quarterback on a championship team. I think he can be efficient and make plays in the running game, which is very important. Â What he isn't, is a QB suited for games where his team plays from behind. He definitely can play. At times at a somewhat high level
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 OK, you take my statement of him not being the answer to me saying he should be immediately cut, with a press conference declaring that anyone who signs him should be fired? Hello no. I don't believe he is a starting quarterback on a championship team. I think he can be efficient and make plays in the running game, which is very important.  What he isn't, is a QB suited for games where his team plays from behind. He definitely can play. At times at a somewhat high level How can you or anybody for that matter make a blanket statement like that........  On friggen season.....in which he makes the pro bowl and is selected as ESPNs top free agent aquisition.  In a season where he had to compete with 3 different quarterbacks in training camp and split reps  In a season where injuries severely depleted this team  In a season where he was actually supposed to be a "game manager" while our vaunted D was supposed to forcing so many 3 and outs....turnovers....even defensive points and did NONE of that  Nobody should be making these type of statements until they see how Tyrod plays next season...he has earned that.
reddogblitz Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 On friggen season.....in which he makes the pro bowl and is selected as ESPNs top free agent aquisition. Â Great season indeed for Tyrod. Â Is being a Pro Bowl alternate the same as making the Pro Bowl? Or, did I miss something? Is Tyrod in the Pro Bowl to go to Hawaii and actually play?
Adam Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 How can you or anybody for that matter make a blanket statement like that........  On friggen season.....in which he makes the pro bowl and is selected as ESPNs top free agent aquisition.  In a season where he had to compete with 3 different quarterbacks in training camp and split reps  In a season where injuries severely depleted this team  In a season where he was actually supposed to be a "game manager" while our vaunted D was supposed to forcing so many 3 and outs....turnovers....even defensive points and did NONE of that  Nobody should be making these type of statements until they see how Tyrod plays next season...he has earned that. Again, nowhere did I say he shouldn't be back and nowhere did I say we should bring in a guy and anoint him as the starter. He's not a terrible option and should remain the starter until we have a better option.  Taylor isn't the reason the Bills missed the playoffs, but he isn't going to have this magical improvement down the road. Even if we don't improve the position, I'd say all this team needs to reach the playoffs is a viable coach. To go beyond that, they will need more from the quarterback, OL and defense. The defensive personnel is there, it just needs to be used. Im sorry this post makes no sense....no sense at all I get so tired of these posts that offer zero alternative but for some reason they know more then an NFL professionals (and those professionals continue to accumulate)  "well yeah this happened but" If you need me to clarify something, just ask
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Again, nowhere did I say he shouldn't be back and nowhere did I say we should bring in a guy and anoint him as the starter. He's not a terrible option and should remain the starter until we have a better option. Â Taylor isn't the reason the Bills missed the playoffs, but he isn't going to have this magical improvement down the road. Even if we don't improve the position, I'd say all this team needs to reach the playoffs is a viable coach. To go beyond that, they will need more from the quarterback, OL and defense. The defensive personnel is there, it just needs to be used. Its not called "magical improvement' Â Its called "playing time" Â Just like when people were saying that he cant work the middle of the field going through the season....and started working it as the season went on. Â Rookie qbs VERY seldom look great in their first year......TT is not a rookie...he also hasnt been getting starters reps prior to this season. He has training camps and pre seasons mopping up after the starter but that is not the same thing.
Adam Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Its not called "magical improvement' Â Its called "playing time" Â Just like when people were saying that he cant work the middle of the field going through the season....and started working it as the season went on. Â Rookie qbs VERY seldom look great in their first year......TT is not a rookie...he also hasnt been getting starters reps prior to this season. He has training camps and pre seasons mopping up after the starter but that is not the same thing. I'm really not saying to get rid of him, nor is the pro bowl going to change my opinion, as it has proven meaningless. I haven't seen that he can be an elite guy. I'm just saying bring someone in to compete- through the draft and free agency. And bring in a coach who can coach
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 I'm really not saying to get rid of him, nor is the pro bowl going to change my opinion, as it has proven meaningless. I haven't seen that he can be an elite guy. I'm just saying bring someone in to compete- through the draft and free agency. And bring in a coach who can coach Adam, Â I never thought you said get rid of him. Â Bringing in another QB for next year is a must but people are going to be really dissapointed if they think it is the intention of this team to use a 1st to try to "compete" with Tyrod Taylor. They love this guy and they will probably bring in a vet and a project. Â Tyrod is your starter next year so the best thing to do is try to figure out how to maximize HIM......you are not a pro bowl selection then go rid the bench...it doesnt work that way.
xsoldier54 Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 Yes let's get rid of our Pro Bowl QB and find a better one. Because we all know that Pro Bowl caliber QB's are a dime a dozen. Sometimes I think that the majority of people that post on this board have zero actual football knowledge. They watch the games, but they have no idea what they are seeing.
Adam Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 Adam, Â I never thought you said get rid of him. Â Bringing in another QB for next year is a must but people are going to be really dissapointed if they think it is the intention of this team to use a 1st to try to "compete" with Tyrod Taylor. They love this guy and they will probably bring in a vet and a project. Â Tyrod is your starter next year so the best thing to do is try to figure out how to maximize HIM......you are not a pro bowl selection then go rid the bench...it doesnt work that way. I am fine if he is the starter, but if you bring in a QB with the intent of filling the water bottles, what is the point. I'm fine with letting him enter camp as the starter, but I'm hoping for a QB that can challenge him. Â The pro bowl is pretty meaningless. I haven't watched since Tasker was the MVP
Maury Ballstein Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 Yes let's get rid of our Pro Bowl QB and find a better one. Because we all know that Pro Bowl caliber QB's are a dime a dozen. Sometimes I think that the majority of people that post on this board have zero actual football knowledge. They watch the games, but they have no idea what they are seeing. Tyrod's amazing 50 percent of the time. There's still work to do.
Big Gun Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 Yes let's get rid of our Pro Bowl QB and find a better one. Because we all know that Pro Bowl caliber QB's are a dime a dozen. Sometimes I think that the majority of people that post on this board have zero actual football knowledge. They watch the games, but they have no idea what they are seeing. Look in the mirror a lot, huh!
John from Riverside Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 I am fine if he is the starter, but if you bring in a QB with the intent of filling the water bottles, what is the point. I'm fine with letting him enter camp as the starter, but I'm hoping for a QB that can challenge him.  The pro bowl is pretty meaningless. I haven't watched since Tasker was the MVP The pro bowl is not meaningless when it is your QB I guarantee you that is not how the organization looks at it.  THey will sit down and take a look at  - The statline (and people can try to brush it off as much as they want.....that lack of turnovers on that statline is HUGE.....along with high completion percentage even when they dont use a short high percentage passing game  - Injuries  - Recognition from the Pro Bowl committee  The QB after him is needed because of his playing style. TT doesnt go down like a little girl (sometimes he should) he is gamer who fights for first downs....they need a quality guy behind him....but that guy wont be competing with him for the starting spot. Look in the mirror a lot, huh! Old School....only if the mirror is broken and your standing on the other side of it....lol
Felonious Monk Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 (edited) I'm so sick of "Tyrod's not the reason we lost" crap. True, Tyrod has played well enough for us to win games we've lost. But in those games he didn't play well enough to win them. And that's why we will never be good with Tyrod ... Tyrod is no where near Rothlisberger and he never will be. Â Let me get this straight: You're comparing a 12-year starter to a first-year starter? A first-round pick to a sixth-round pick? A QB whose first head coach was a respected winner, with a 149-90-1 career record, and second head coach, with a 91-51 record, to a QB whose head coach is a buffoon whose career record is 52-58? A QB with a $17.2 million cap hit to a QB with an $883K cap it? Yup, apples to apples right there. Â Hey, look...to everybody who thinks Taylor is the answer, let me ask you this...when was this team great? The answer is under Kelly...who was a franchise QB and one of the best in the league. And when have we sucked? When we have QB's like Taylor... Â Now we're comparing TT to a Hall of Famer who benefited by playing alongside heaps of other Hall of Famers, led by a Hall of Fame coach who reported to a Hall of Fame GM. Question: When Kelly led the Bills to a 4-12 season in his first year as a starter, did you want him run out of town, too? Care to compare Kelly's stats as a first-year starter to TT's? Just let me know. Â I'd take Tannehill, Bortles and Osweiler over TT, but wait I no nothing. Â When you post that you'd trade Mario Williams straight up for John Skelton, you make it hard for anyone to take you seriously. Not flaming, just being honest. I get why you're so high on Tannehill. After all, he's led the Dolphins to the playoffs 4? 3? 2 1 0 times since he became the Dolphins' starting QB. But who are we to talk with our playoff drought, right? Let's make it a bit more fair for Mr. Tannehill. He has led the Fins to 4 3 2 1 0 winning seasons since he became their starter. Overall, he's 2-6 against Buffalo, including two blowout losses to the Bills (and... ahem... Tyrod Taylor) this year. All that said, I firmly believe Tannehill will be a very good franchise (backup) QB someday. Â No, TT isn't playing like an all-pro, but what the heck do you guys expect? To say it's all on him -- or even mostly -- is laughable. Rex is a bust who has lost this team. They don't respect him, and they don't seem to have a desire to play hard for him (like they did for Schwartz last year against the Lions -- remember that?) Our defense is horrific largely because of Rex and his stupid scheme which is, at best, a square peg/round hole situation with players who excelled in another scheme just before he arrived. We're second in the league in penalties, which, by the way, have negated a ton of completion yards by TT and have forced him into 3rd-and-long situations all year. But, of course, those are just "excuses" because we are hell-bent on crucifying a sixth-round pick in his first full season even though he has exceeded all rational expectations. Edited December 25, 2015 by Felonious Monk
Adam Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 The pro bowl is not meaningless when it is your QB I guarantee you that is not how the organization looks at it.  THey will sit down and take a look at  - The statline (and people can try to brush it off as much as they want.....that lack of turnovers on that statline is HUGE.....along with high completion percentage even when they dont use a short high percentage passing game  - Injuries  - Recognition from the Pro Bowl committee  The QB after him is needed because of his playing style. TT doesnt go down like a little girl (sometimes he should) he is gamer who fights for first downs....they need a quality guy behind him....but that guy wont be competing with him for the starting spot. Old School....only if the mirror is broken and your standing on the other side of it....lol I am not in the "the sky is falling if TT isn't replaced camp." But if better players aren't sought out at every position, what is the point. If a blue chip LB is available, but a third-rate QB is taken, I have a problem with that. If a good QB is available, the team should acquire him and allow competition.  The pro bowl is not an excuse to not improve
xsoldier54 Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 Â Great season indeed for Tyrod. Â Is being a Pro Bowl alternate the same as making the Pro Bowl? Or, did I miss something? Is Tyrod in the Pro Bowl to go to Hawaii and actually play? More than likely he will go. There are always a couple of QB's selected that can't play for one reason or another. 3-8 27 yards in first half, yep real deal alright. Last time I checked there are two halves in the game, hence the reason for calling them halves. Did I miss something? Are we now only counting the first half of games? If so, why do they bother to play the second half? Enlighten me.
Nitro Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 If you can draft a better QB, do it. Taylor can develop into an efficient QB.
John from Riverside Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 More than likely he will go. There are always a couple of QB's selected that can't play for one reason or another. Last time I checked there are two halves in the game, hence the reason for calling them halves. Did I miss something? Are we now only counting the first half of games? If so, why do they bother to play the second half? Enlighten me. Also.....lets not count the fact that franchise qbs have up and down quarters as well (and I am not even calling TT a franchise QB at this point)
xsoldier54 Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 Look in the mirror a lot, huh! No I just read idiotic posts about getting rid of a QB that has had one of the best seasons of any QB in the league and was just named a Pro Bowl alternate. Because you geniuses know that there are a million better options out there.
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