UBBullsfan Posted December 14, 2015 Author Posted December 14, 2015 I don't think this is going to happen, and that is perhaps my biggest fear. I am absolutely fine with bringing in someone to challenge Tyrod (hopefully a first round pick), but something tells me we're drafting a DE after we release Mario and I am fearful that we'll be seeing a premature extension. Deshone Kizer my friend
Luxy312 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 First, I'm just not going to dignify the title of this thread with response. The team has far more problems than just one guy. Let's start on the defensive side of the ball. There were about a dozen instances yesterday where I witnessed either Mario Williams and/or Marcel Dareus dropping back into pass coverage. We've witnessed this now for the better part of 3 weeks and Rex admitted after it happened the first week that it was a mistake. So why keep doing it? Simple answer is that Rex and his D.C. are living in an age long passed where the schemes used were more important than the players. He's taken a top-5 NFL defense from last season that was upgraded player/personnel wise and turned them into a below average defense by asking players to do things they're not capable of doing. How many passes has Mario defensed this year? What about Dareus? Coaching stupidity has turned one of the leagues best pass rushing specialists into one that has the lowest number of sacks so far this season.On the offensive side of the ball, we have multiple issues as well. Starting with the OP's namesake, Taylor has some good statistics. High QB rating. TD/INT ratio is off the charts and he's been able to keep some drives alive using his legs. That all sounds well and good until you look at situational play calling. Why the hell is there an option to try to hit a 30 or 40 yard pass when you're on your opponents 45 yard line with third and two? Didn't we get Shady to run the ball? This happened 3 times yesterday. Drives ended and the Bills punted because instead of taking the sure play to keep the chains moving, Roman thought that his system was better than the players. Speaking of play calling, I don't recall seeing one short slant route for Watkins this entire season over the middle. Makes no sense not trying to get your playmaker the ball and let him make the play. Clay was supposed to be a huge upgrade over the 50 for 500 Scott Chandler. So far this year, clay has 51 for 528. Marginally utilized more at best.Special teams are a train wreck. Thigpen should be cut immediately. Make the fair catch call and you have a short field for the go ahead score. Instead, you GIVE Phily 7 points several plays later due to stupidity, laziness, or both. Carpenter is a mental shell of what he was last year. I feel like he can miss extra points at pretty much any point in time. Punt and kick coverage is also atrocious.It's all facets of the game folks and a lot more than just one guy. For me, it starts with just terrible coaching in all facets of the game and thinking that your systems are what defines your team, in lieu of molding the system around the talents that players actually have.
thebandit27 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 I don't think this is going to happen, and that is perhaps my biggest fear. I am absolutely fine with bringing in someone to challenge Tyrod (hopefully a first round pick), but something tells me we're drafting a DE after we release Mario and I am fearful that we'll be seeing a premature extension. I think Whaley's future largely hinges upon his plan for the QB position. If he goes into the offseason discussions with a plan to extend Taylor and go with him, I think they'll move on from him (which, IMO, would be a shame). If he wants to take the approach of letting Taylor play out his contract year and draft a guy, I think he'll be extended. I also wouldn't be quick to spend a 1st round pick on a QB--I'm not a big fan of the top prospects outside of Goff. I actually think they can do better by taking Brandon Doughty of WKU in the 2nd or 3rd round, as I think he's got a better chance to succeed in the NFL than guys like Hackenberg and Cook.
billsfan_34 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 I think Whaley's future largely hinges upon his plan for the QB position. If he goes into the offseason discussions with a plan to extend Taylor and go with him, I think they'll move on from him (which, IMO, would be a shame). If he wants to take the approach of letting Taylor play out his contract year and draft a guy, I think he'll be extended. I also wouldn't be quick to spend a 1st round pick on a QB--I'm not a big fan of the top prospects outside of Goff. I actually think they can do better by taking Brandon Doughty of WKU in the 2nd or 3rd round, as I think he's got a better chance to succeed in the NFL than guys like Hackenberg and Cook. OL, DL, and LB- that is where the team will be looking. TT is staying put and rightfully so. They need to bring in a FA QB to compete with EJ for the 2. Now if a BPA QB falls to us in the draft then so be it.
thebandit27 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 OL, DL, and LB- that is where the team will be looking. TT is staying put and rightfully so. They need to bring in a FA QB to compete with EJ for the 2. Now if a BPA QB falls to us in the draft then so be it. I think they'll look to FA to replace guys like Bradham and Kyle (maybe guys like Vincent Rey and Damon Harrison). Assuming Glenn and Incognito are re-signed, the only need along the OL is RT, along with a solid interior backup. For me, I'd be drafting a pass rusher, QB, and RT. Taylor naturally will be staying put because he's under contract. If you want to sign a guy like Hasselbeck to be the #2 then I'm cool with it, but if they go into next season with Tyrod as the #1 and EJ competing with a vet for the 2 spot, without a high draft pick in the fold, then this team is in trouble moving forward.
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 we need a better 15-game quarterback. you need to be an all-pro out of the box!!!!!!1!!! if you're not Rodgers by your 16th game ever, gtfo!
thebandit27 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 we need a better 15-game quarterback. you need to be an all-pro out of the box!!!!!!1!!! if you're not Rodgers by your 16th game ever, gtfo! Who...is...saying...that?
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Who...is...saying...that? sorry, should've qualified with /sarcasm. i thought the "!!!!1!" did it.
thebandit27 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 sorry, should've qualified with /sarcasm. i thought the "!!!!1!" did it. I know it was sarcasm...I just don't understand the point that you're trying to make I guess. It appears that you're saying that too many folks expect Tyrod to be Aaron Rodgers, but my reading of the situation is that most of us simply aren't convinced that he'll be the long-term answer and would prefer to see a high draft pick come in and compete with him. Then again, perhaps I'm reading you wrong.
starrymessenger Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Every Sunday we see top shelf QBs do things in the passing game that Tyrod has never done. And it's unfortunately not just the acknowledged franchise guys. It's also the young up and comers, like Bortles, Winston, Mariota, Carr - and it includes someone like Wilson whose attempts have in the past at least been limited, like Tyrod 's. I don't think anyone knows for sure whether Tyrod can elevate his game to bona fide starter level, but it looks like we are going to find out. At the very least he should with the experience he will now be getting develop into good backup/change of pace type guy, which is certainly very nice to have. I just wouldn't be writing any blank checks anytime soon.
billsfan_34 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 He comes up small in big moments Hes small
Mojo44 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 The 5th rated QB in the NFL is dragging the Bills down! Sadly, he is. Being number 5 is nice and all. But 6 and 7 is the more telling metric. He does choke in big moments. He has done this too many times this year. Rex is the main reason the team can't win consistently, But in crucial times, TT has failed again and again. To me this is not even debatable.
Billsguy Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Have you heard of coach killer quaterbacks? You know, the QB is so bad that he gets the coach fired. Well, the Bills have just the opposite. The Bills have Rex Ryan, the quarterback killing coach. The horrible coaching of Greg Roman and Rex Ryan would kill almost any QB and prevent them from being successful. Rex Ryan's history proves how inept he is. Terry Pegula made a $25 million dollar mistake hiring this loud mouth buffoon! Tyrod Taylor could be a star QB with better coaching and offensive game plans. Edited December 14, 2015 by Billsguy
fridge Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Have you heard of coach killer quaterbacks? You know, the QB is so bad that he gets the coach fired. Well, the Bills have just the opposite. The Bills have Rex Ryan, the quarterback killing coach. The horrible coaching of Greg Roman and Rex Ryan would kill almost any QB and prevent them from being successful. Rex Ryan's history proves how inept he is. Terry Pegula made a $25 million dollar mistake hiring this loud mouth buffoon! Tyrod Taylor could be a star QB with better coaching and offensive game plans. Says who? And which quarterback did Rex Ryan, a defensive coach, kill previously? He went to two AFC Championship games with Mark "butt fumble" Sanchez.
Mojo44 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Have you heard of coach killer quaterbacks? You know, the QB is so bad that he gets the coach fired. Well, the Bills have just the opposite. The Bills have Rex Ryan, the quarterback killing coach. The horrible coaching of Greg Roman and Rex Ryan would kill almost any QB and prevent them from being successful. Rex Ryan's history proves how inept he is. Terry Pegula made a $25 million dollar mistake hiring this loud mouth buffoon! Tyrod Taylor could be a star QB with better coaching and offensive game plans. It's right to criticize TT and have concerns about him long term, but this post reflects the deeper truth. Rex is toxic...very toxic.
CountDorkula Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Does the game in TEN count? He's still a developing QB who's is simply not a finished product. I think we all know this. Its not like he is a young prospect. He is 26. How much more improvement is there going to be? Picture it this way, If the Bills drafted a 26 year old QB in round 1, how much improvement should we expect.
jeffismagic Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Its not like he is a young prospect. He is 26. How much more improvement is there going to be? Picture it this way, If the Bills drafted a 26 year old QB in round 1, how much improvement should we expect. That's actually a good question. I would say that this a big unknown. But it sounds like you already believe there is little opportunity to get better. Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 years and started in the NFL at about the same age as Tyrod and got better. It can happen. I have no idea what will happen.
UBBullsfan Posted December 14, 2015 Author Posted December 14, 2015 If you know what you are doing you can make a Honda Civic fast as hell. You obviously know as much about cars as you do football. Maybe if you rip out everything but the chasis. It still won't be a Ferrari though
fridge Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 That's actually a good question. I would say that this a big unknown. But it sounds like you already believe there is little opportunity to get better. Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 years and started in the NFL at about the same age as Tyrod and got better. It can happen. I have no idea what will happen. I'm sorry but where does the Aaron Rodgers comparison come from? They both play quarterback? They both sat to start their careers? You do know that Rodgers was a 1st RD draft pick chosen to be groomed into the next franchise guy, right?
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