Mikie2times Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Very rare for me to post about a non call on the forum as it seems just about every non call is always a hot topic. I suppose it's being outdone by the cementing of our playoff fate. I thought this was a very bad non call. Graham had an angle to make a play on Ertz but got completely taken out. This led to the game winning FG for the Eagles. Was it just as obvious a pick play to everybody else?
thebandit27 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Yes. That play is the literal definition of an illegal pick
JohnC Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Very rare for me to post about a non call on the forum as it seems just about every non call is always a hot topic. I suppose it's being outdone by the cementing of our playoff fate. I thought this was a very bad non call. Graham had an angle to make a play on Ertz but got completely taken out. This led to the game winning FG for the Eagles. Was it just as obvious a pick play to everybody else? It was an obvious pick play. It was a damaging non-call. On the other hand I'm sure the Eagles can point out questionable plays that worked against them. In general, compared to the level of officiating in the league I thought this crew did a good job. There are many reasons why the Bills lost this game. The officiating had little to do with it.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 When I watched it live my initial reaction was it was a pick. After watching the replay I more saw a case of the Bill's player crashing into the Eagle who not even sure was moving at that instant. Granted the reason he crashed into him was because the Eagle player put himself into a position to get in his way, but when that happens rarely will you get the call. From what I've sen to get the pick call you need to get in the way of the DB, then keep moving to continue to be in the way of the defender as he attempts to go around you. Didn't really see that happen here. On another note, with regards to the four off-sides, I've always wondered why more teams don't do that whenever a defensive player jumps, immediately jump up or snap the ball as guarantees you'll get the call. Too often you just hold your ground and give enough time for the D-lineman to get back on-sides, then there's no call either way.
JohnC Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 When I watched it live my initial reaction was it was a pick. After watching the replay I more saw a case of the Bill's player crashing into the Eagle who not even sure was moving at that instant. Granted the reason he crashed into him was because the Eagle player put himself into a position to get in his way, but when that happens rarely will you get the call. From what I've sen to get the pick call you need to get in the way of the DB, then keep moving to continue to be in the way of the defender as he attempts to go around you. Didn't really see that happen here. On another note, with regards to the four off-sides, I've always wondered why more teams don't do that whenever a defensive player jumps, immediately jump up or snap the ball as guarantees you'll get the call. Too often you just hold your ground and give enough time for the D-lineman to get back on-sides, then there's no call either way. Coaching matters!
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Agreed, but not like I've seen 27 other teams doing that either. Most times, the OL freezes, and no call or the defender did completly rattle him to the point he did move, where as in this game do think the Eagle players were smart enough to deliberately move. That's the only time I've seen a team do that, not even the Pats seem to instinctively do that. Coaching matters!
Observer Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Very rare for me to post about a non call on the forum as it seems just about every non call is always a hot topic. I suppose it's being outdone by the cementing of our playoff fate. I thought this was a very bad non call. Graham had an angle to make a play on Ertz but got completely taken out. This led to the game winning FG for the Eagles. Was it just as obvious a pick play to everybody else? Yeah but still...McLovin.
reddogblitz Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 I know there is a lot of talk about looking at the catch rule. I think this needs to be looked at as well. What is a pick and what is not? Looks like a lot of teams are running it a lot with very inconsistent calls.
skibum Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 What's even more aggravating is that it was an Ed Hochuli game. That guy calls a penalty every other down as matter of course, and he missed that one entirely.
BRH Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Bradford also grounded the ball on the previous play. Wasn't out of the pocket, threw to a completely vacant area. No call. Then that pick.
jumbalaya Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Non call on Leodis when he grabbed a facemask of Ertz I think. And I still don't know how they gave him the INT when the review clearly showed the ball hitting the turf. Still that pick was obvious. With all of the holding calls against us they should have called that pick.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Non call on Leodis when he grabbed a facemask of Ertz I think. And I still don't know how they gave him the INT when the review clearly showed the ball hitting the turf. Still that pick was obvious. With all of the holding calls against us they should have called that pick. The ball can touch the ground, so long as he didn't trap it. Hochuli basically said they couldn't tell whether it was a trap, which I think is the right call.
Livinginthepast Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Full on pick blatantly done before the pass is caught. Right in front of at least 3 officials. How on earth do they all miss that? It was completely intentional and just because the Eagle player got hurt (or maybe he was selling it to make it seem like an inadvertent collision) it doesn't matter. The officiating this year has been the worst of any type of football I have watched ever. Consistent crap every week. Every week a gaffe or a blown call. The refs need a serious overhaul!!
Max997 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 It was an obvious pick play. It was a damaging non-call. On the other hand I'm sure the Eagles can point out questionable plays that worked against them. In general, compared to the level of officiating in the league I thought this crew did a good job. There are many reasons why the Bills lost this game. The officiating had little to do with it. You thought that crew did a good job??? That was one of the worst performances by an officiating crew I've ever seen. 15 penalties to 5 and several calls missed with refs standing right there is just ridiculously one sided. They even tried to take Sammys TD away and the guy was literally right there with his only responsibility being to watch the receivers feet. The blatant pick was a disgrace
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