stinky finger Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 If there's one formula for success in the NFL it's consistent turnover yep. Just like sticking with Rex Ryan, a proven winner. What I like best about him is his defensive genius, him holding his players accountable and him not telling me how good his team is but instead proving it week to week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I will give the Pegulas the benefit of the doubt. I trust that they are much smarter than that. I again ask you, what top flight personnel man is coming to OBD with Rex there for the foreseeable future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 If Whaley is shown the door, you can be sure that the next GM will be a Rex yes man and nothing more than that. Whalty is, and has always been, our only hope. If we are going to correct anything it will be b/c of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) I again ask you, what top flight personnel man is coming to OBD with Rex there for the foreseeable future? Even if this is the case I try anyways. Throw as much money as needed. Wolf can make a decision on him after year one. Keep in mind Wolf is probably making less than 1 million a year and doesn't have control of the final decisions. It would be a sweet promotion for him. Edited December 14, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I again ask you, what top flight personnel man is coming to OBD with Rex there for the foreseeable future? It may be more costly to keep him. You think the Pegula's are going to settle for five years of this? Or......are you saying give him another year or two to make it more palatable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Even if this is the case I try anyways. Throw as much money as needed for the promotion. Keep in mind Wolf is probably making less than 1 million a year. Wouldn't matter about the money if I'm a prospective GM of a team, I want my own guy as HC. I think you get second rate guys under the scenario of Rex staying which is almost a certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Wouldn't matter about the money if I'm a prospective GM of a team, I want my own guy as HC. I think you get second rate guys under the scenario of Rex staying which is almost a certainty. I don't agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 It may be more costly to keep him. You think the Pegula's are going to settle for five years of this? Or......are you saying give him another year or two to make it more palatable? They're definitely not afraid to change course when they see things not being good enough or going south. What they did with the Sabres shows that, but moving on from Rex after one year simply isn't going to happen. With team personnel on the upswing, I don't see the point of moving on from Whaley with Rex still here. I don't agree with that. With what? Rex staying or getting 2nd rate personnel guys who'd be forced to work with Rex as HC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 They're definitely not afraid to change course when they see things not being good enough or going south. What they did with the Sabres shows that, but moving on from Rex after one year simply isn't going to happen. With team personnel on the upswing, I don't see the point of moving on from Whaley with Rex still here. With what? Rex staying or getting 2nd rate personnel guys who'd be forced to work with Rex as HC? I don't assume you automatically will only get 2nd rate personnel guys if Rex stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 That's one why I think Whaley will be given a 2 year extension as too difficult to bring in a new GM to work under Rex unless you're willing to let Rex pick the guy. That has been done before, but really don't think Rex has earned that amount of power. By giving Whaley two years, if after one more year if TP decided Rex isn't working he'd only have to eat one additional year on Whaley or give Rex two years and no cost to can Whaley too at that same point. Then can bring in a new GM and let him hire the HC too. You keep throwing this name out there, but what top personnel man is coming to OBD with Rex forced on him? None IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I don't assume you automatically will only get 2nd rate personnel guys if Rex stays. Well, that's where we disagree. The top personnel guys in the NFL can afford to wait for the right situation where they can name their own coach. That's one why I think Whaley will be given a 2 year extension as too difficult to bring in a new GM to work under Rex unless you're willing to let Rex pick the guy. That has been done before, but really don't think Rex has earned that amount of power. By giving Whaley two years, if after one more year if TP decided Rex isn't working he'd only have to eat one additional year on Whaley or give Rex two years and no cost to can Whaley too at that same point. Then can bring in a new GM and let him hire the HC too. Seems like a sensible approach to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Get a real OLine, real LBs who can tackle and cover, kicker and ST coach, TT has upside but we need a development guy and a decent back up QB. Rex gets one more year to get the D on track and to instill discipline and professionalism. He absolutely p*ssed away what should have been a playoff year. Stopped reading after the first half sentence. No way on earth the OL is anywhere near this team's biggest problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 You may not get a 2nd rate guy, but you'd get a guy who likely wouldn't choose Rex s a coach, now he's stuck with him for at least a couple of years. Actually would not at all be surprised to learn that there's a clause in Rex's contract that states something to the affect, if the Bills bring in a new GM, he gets to approve the choice and/or be involved with the selection as he'd have been smart enough to not want to get into the same situation as he had with the Jet's with a GM that he felt hung him out to fail. So put in a clause that makes him part of any changes, particularly since he knew when he came here DW only had one year left on his contract. I don't assume you automatically will only get 2nd rate personnel guys if Rex stays. I'm not so sure it isn't near the top. Fix the O-line get a #2 receiver and you've solved most of the problems on offense. It may not be the #1 problem but do think it's close to the top. No way on earth the OL is anywhere near this team's biggest problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I love these ideas. I think #1 would be the most impactful. Replacing Thurman with Pettine. I don't want to trade one Rex puppet for another. Same old, same old...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Stopped reading after the first half sentence. No way on earth the OL is anywhere near this team's biggest problem Maybe we watched a different teams this year, and today! The right side of our line is awful in both run and pass protection. And btw, I didn't say the OLine was the biggest problem, you did. I just said we need to get a real OLine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Keep in mine Rex is not going to get fired after one season. Obviously, particularly when he still has 4 years of salary guaranteed. He may suck as a coach, but you have to give credit for playing Terry Pegula for a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 with all due respect, what makes you think Rex is capable of doing this? where/when has he done this before? Whether he can or not, he's going to get another year. He says it's his last coaching job, he's got to change something up or he's finished. Maybe he can do a gut check, don't know. What I do know is that he's not going anywhere next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Many changes will be required, this team lost games that you should have won, here are some ideas. Feel free to add you know - Fire D cordinator, not enough big plays(sacks/turnovers) with a defense that Rex wanted to compare with the 85 Bears to start the season (Petite may be available for a return after getting fired from Browns. They are still very good friends and this allows Petite an opportunity to fix this mess on defense and get credit for it) - Fire ST coach who never should have returned after Marrone left, (ST were complete garbage) - Need to find a kicker who can also kickoff, we are the only team in league that has kickoff kicker - Find a play making LB who can make tackles ( too many missed tackles this season) - Draft a QB for development, not sure about TT but he has been good at times in his first year as a starting NFL QB Keep in mine Rex is not going to get fired after one season. working backwards: Unless someone is hidden from everyone else there are no qb worthy of picking this year The linebackers of Brown and Bradham were a step slow sad when Manny Lawson fills in and makes more plays The kicker who cares if we carry a kick off guy, not related to our problems and kick off coverage is good Special teams actually base on facts have been fine Defense :New scheme and some guys who didn't buy in primarily Mario which really shows he plays for the name on back. Guys like Hughes seem more concerned with sacks than winning. Some who didn't fit like Bradham, Ive never seen injuries hit a team like this before we certainly knew who are back ups were they played more than the starters. Guys like IK, Corbin Bryant - best game today, Duke Williams, Charles, shouldn't be on the roster. Offense: New scheme bunch of new guys playing together for first time. An actual NFL player in place of Hogan a right tackle who can play 9-10 games out of 16 with a matching guard. I think Miller will be much better year two. We never built any o line depth and then had to play those guys we didnt have. Tight end depth Grays injury was bigger than anticipated, Jerome Felton never got any rythym and wiffed on blocks way to much. Tyrod year 2 as a starter will take major steps forward Overview: I think the plan was descent quarterbacking with a really good defense would allow a good swing at the playoffs. Well the defense scheme took a long time to come together with some vet's kicking and screaming. Then injuries really didnt allow any chance to being very very good- but they never approached descent. So then you need more from the offense which also had it's share of injuries and a first year starting qb. Chris Brown said it in pre season - it's kinda played out almost exactly as he said. First year coaches rarely make the playoffs you have new schemes on both sides of the ball, new coaches, new players many who have never played together and a first year starting quarterback to put that all together and make the playoffs usually doesn't happen. Pretty spot on- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Maybe we watched a different teams this year, and today! The right side of our line is awful in both run and pass protection. And btw, I didn't say the OLine was the biggest problem, you did. I just said we need to get a real OLine. This team is in the top 5 in rushing in nearly every category. If they didn't have a "real OL", that would be impossible. They could use an upgrade at RT. That's a far different statement than them not having a real OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Maybe we watched a different teams this year, and today! The right side of our line is awful in both run and pass protection. And btw, I didn't say the OLine was the biggest problem, you did. I just said we need to get a real OLine. We do have a real offensive line. Cordy Glenn and Incognito are two of the best in the league at their positions. The entire line had a great game last week against an elite front seven even with the injuries. Everyone knows they need to upgrade at right tackle. They will. But you make it sound like the entire line is in shambles and needs a complete overhaul. They're only a player away from having an excellent line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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