Storm Front Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 I thought that third and two play where the Bills through long in the 1st quarter really hurt them when they failed to convert. It sort of set the tone for the game.
JohnC Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Does it? Hughes got plenty of PI calls under Marrone. You just can't compare it to the business world as it's a reverse situation. Except for players on the fringes of the roster, the players have the power because they are the talent. They make more than their " bosses" and will be given another chance by another " company" if cut. So it's not a good argument. There really isn't any retribution possible because the coaches know they need the top talent to win. If they know they have a top QB and a real chance to win, they will be accountable to each other. It's a lot easier for a Belichick to get all his guys to " buy in" as the players expect to win. The Bills really don't expect to win, regardless of what they say. If coaches don't have the control and influence as you are suggesting explain to me the obvious contrast how the Jets are currently playing well after RR departed compared to when he was coaching the team? We all are familiar with the Jets qb, Fitz. So we can't attribute the dramatic improvement in record to simply qb play, especially when RR is getting the best qbing in Buffalo from TT that it has had for a very long time and compared to what Marrone had to work with at that position. The dour Marrone had a 9-7 record and then left. If you want to make the claim that it really was an 8-8 record because the Pats conceded the meaningless game for them, then that is okay. Rex took over basically the same defense with the addition of Darby at CB, a serious rookie of the year candidate. Whaley clearly upgraded the offense by adding McCoy, Incognito, Clay and Miller to that unit. The bottom line is that Marrone did better with less compared to what Rex had to work out. My point is simple: this team has regressed under the loquacious RR. Coaching matters!
iinii Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 THE PLAYERS Jesus Christ does nobody on this board have a !@#$ing clue about accountability? Tell it!
JohnC Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 I think it is more complicated than defense was great and Rex broke it. Mario Williams is a different player this year. He aged overnight. You see him not winning one-on-one matchups. Matchups he won last year. So take away one pro-bowler on the D line. Kyle Williams hasn't been there most of the year. Take away another pro-bowler on the D line. Marcel Dareus-seems to be used as an inside run stuffer by necessity. I don't know if moving him around would help but he not the force he was last year. So out of the 3 pro-bowl linemen missing in various ways, only Dareus seems like a scheme change issue. The Jets stuff is well-known and discussed but your take doesn't account at all for major roster changes. I said before the year started that the Jets were the most improved team by a lot. I also think that Rex was hired because of his defense and he needs to run what he wants. He was brought here to create complex pressures on QB's and that doesn't happen as much out of a 4-3 wide nine that we ran last year. Even if Rex was adaptable (most coaches are not) and ran a 4-3 this year, age and decline in the DL would force the Bills to move to a 3-4 at some point anyway. Belichick struggled for many years when he changed his schemes in NE. People don't remember this because he had Brady to cover up some bad defenses. You make some excellent points. But the NFL of today is about player movement and annual roster changes. That is part and parcel of the landscape. The roster for the Bills was upgraded from the prior year, especially on offense. The team that Rex inherited on balance was better than the team that Marrone had to work with. Rex Ryan coached the Jets for six year. Their overall record was not very impressive. The longer he coached the team the more it regressed. The team he left was in shambles. You are attempting to make the point that the Jets' roster is currently upgraded compared to the prior years so it is not a fair comparison when he was the HC. That makes no sense because he not only was involved in coaching the players on the roster but he was also involved with the GM in assembling the roster. If you are trying to make the argument that he is a good coach then my question is on what are you basing it on? The record? The team's discipline? The team's collective intelligence? There was nothing in RR's resume as a HC that made him an appealing candidate for the Buffalo job. It was a peculiar hire. The season is coming to a conclusion and the disappointing performance of his team is a reflection of his history as a HC. It was a bad hire and the results shouldn't be a surprise.
Dragonborn10 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 This is why Mario wanted out of Houston…the scheme there changed and he was in a 3-4 OLB role. I recall reading their fan reactions when we got him as a FA, they all pointed to him disappearing for several game spans in the last year or 2 of his tenure when he was unhappy. Which of course is entirely untrue. He was leading the league in sacks playing OLB in his first year in the scheme and then got hurt.
jeffismagic Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Everyone was healthy when Tom Brady passed for a franchise record against this defense in week 2. We were healthy when Andy Dalton ripped it to shreds in week 6. The injury excuse is a joke. This team has been wildly inconsistent on defense and they don't ever put pressure on the QB or get turnovers. Sounds like a Rex Ryan defense. They hired Rex because Pegula fell for Rex's BS hook line and sinker. Schwartz was here with an all healthy defense playing a good scheme fit for the DL when the Patriots did this to us last year... Tom Brady threw four touchdown passes and posted his 60th career 300-yard game to lead theNew England Patriots to a 37-22 win over the Buffalo Bills on Sunday.
Solomon Grundy Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 it was on meeks If that taunting penalty was on Meeks or Boobie, I'd cut them tomorrow!! Enough with the bullshizznet!! Messages must be sent!!
Solomon Grundy Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 On the long TD pass to Agholar - Dareus did a ballet move - I swear to God it was a pirouette of some kind - he pranced right by Bradford and may even have kicked his heels together in the air before landing. ... This coaching staff is not able to concentrate fully for 17 full weeks, or for 60 full minutes on game day. Many of the players on this roster were already undisciplined knuckleheads before Rex showed up - but this team has fully adopted the scatterbrained, undisciplined, ADHD personality of its head coach and offensive coordinator. ... Tyrod lacks situational awareness. Throwing a fade on critical third and short situations is straight out of Va Tech. We're in the big leagues now. Get your mind in the game or we'll find someone else to play under center. ... Watkins had his worst game as a Bill. He failed to separate, failed to extend himself, and dropped two passes. ... Richie also had his worst game as a Bill. Maybe all of the talk this week about him being the best guard in the league got to his head. Which would also fit the personality of a Rex team - these guys think, just like their coach does, that they can just show up and win because they're so great and talented. Richie was ABYSMAL today. ... As for all of the unforced errors and pre-snap penalties, I'll say this: fans have a say now. It's not like when Ralph was in charge and we were worried that if we voted with our dollars he'd just move the team away. Terry isn't going to do that. If you don't like what you see out there - complain to OBD. And consider not buying season tickets next season. Make this COMPANY earn our hard-earned dollars for a change. The product this season has been unacceptable. And if they do what I think they're going to do and make Whaley the fall guy when we miss the playoffs again, Rex will be exposed next season for the total boob that he is. I may not pay to watch it again, I've effing had it. That's why they call you Coach!! You nailed it. Time to start releasing the idiots who keep making the same dumb mistakes. Jimmy Johnson didn't accept the nonsense
jeffismagic Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 You make some excellent points. But the NFL of today is about player movement and annual roster changes. That is part and parcel of the landscape. The roster for the Bills was upgraded from the prior year, especially on offense. The team that Rex inherited on balance was better than the team that Marrone had to work with. Rex Ryan coached the Jets for six year. Their overall record was not very impressive. The longer he coached the team the more it regressed. The team he left was in shambles. You are attempting to make the point that the Jets' roster is currently upgraded compared to the prior years so it is not a fair comparison when he was the HC. That makes no sense because he not only was involved in coaching the players on the roster but he was also involved with the GM in assembling the roster. If you are trying to make the argument that he is a good coach then my question is on what are you basing it on? The record? The team's discipline? The team's collective intelligence? There was nothing in RR's resume as a HC that made him an appealing candidate for the Buffalo job. It was a peculiar hire. The season is coming to a conclusion and the disappointing performance of his team is a reflection of his history as a HC. It was a bad hire and the results shouldn't be a surprise. I think Rex Ryan is like a lot of coaches. When he has the right players he can win which he has proven by taking two teams with Mark Sanchez to the AFC Championship game. Very disappointed that he couldn't get more out of the players but a lot happened this year. The Jets coach inherited a Rex Ryan base group of players that perfectly fit what he does on defense. Unfortunately, we have found out that changing schemes can take time and not every player excels. As I said before, the good news is that we took our lumps this year. What's your point? There is no comparison to last years defense. It was 100 times better then what we are seeing this year and it's not due to injury..... You are all over the map. First, you bring up a random Patriot game from this year so that's why I brought up a random Patriot game from last year. Apples to apples. I already explained some of what I thought happened from last years D to this year. But in your universe players never get old or decline and players never get injured.
truth on hold Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) With all the guys out or not 100%, our defense played good. That side of the ball wasnt the problem today. Edited December 14, 2015 by JTSP
JohnC Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 I think Rex Ryan is like a lot of coaches. When he has the right players he can win which he has proven by taking two teams with Mark Sanchez to the AFC Championship game. Very disappointed that he couldn't get more out of the players but a lot happened this year. The Jets coach inherited a Rex Ryan base group of players that perfectly fit what he does on defense. Unfortunately, we have found out that changing schemes can take time and not every player excels. As I said before, the good news is that we took our lumps this year. Rex's record in NY is very ominous. The longer he coached the team the more it declined. The current coach in NY is an upgrade from the glib coach that the organization fired. There is no doubt that the players that the new Jet coach inherited fit the scheme he favored. He demonstrated that he was smart enough to keep the scheme that worked and fit the players he had. Compare that to the talkative Buffalo coach who changed the scheme that didn't fit the players he inherited. The more successful coach in NY was astute; the loud coach in Buffalo was a dumb ass.
Observer Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) With all the guys out or not 100%, our defense played good. That side of the ball wasnt the problem today. Neutral zone, neutral zone, neutral zone, hey let's let Ertz do a Jim Brown impression to win the game. I'd say defense was only part of the problem. Edited December 14, 2015 by Observer
jeffismagic Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Rex's record in NY is very ominous. The longer he coached the team the more it declined. The current coach in NY is an upgrade from the glib coach that the organization fired. There is no doubt that the players that the new Jet coach inherited fit the scheme he favored. He demonstrated that he was smart enough to keep the scheme that worked and fit the players he had. Compare that to the talkative Buffalo coach who changed the scheme that didn't fit the players he inherited. The more successful coach in NY was astute; the loud coach in Buffalo was a dumb ass. You do realize that Rex's coaching the year before he was fired was considered masterful? The year he got fired he was trotting out Geno Smith at QB. I don't fault any coach for not winning with Geno. Just like I wouldn't expect anyone to win with EJ Manuel.
truth on hold Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Neutral zone, neutral zone, neautral zone, hey let's let Bent Celek do a Jim Brown impression to win the game. I'd say defense was only part of the problem. With the amount of heat they got on Bradford I'll take it. Unlike the olines false start fiascos which netted nothing positive Edited December 14, 2015 by JTSP
jeffismagic Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Your explanation for the fall off from the defense is completely bogus. Age? And you are serious? They brought back every player from the defense last year outside of Spikes and Searcy and added a top notch corner in Darby. What is Mario? 31. Age my ass. We heard it in training camp and during the season. These players upfront hate the scheme and it's showing. The entire defensive line has been neutralized thanks to the defensive coaching staff but I don't expect someone with a picture of Rex Ryan as their avatar to admit this.... I think you were trying to respond to me but messed up. Yes, let's talk about Mario Williams. If you think he is the same player as last year you are not watching the same football games. He has hit a wall. He is now just another guy. I don't care what the scheme is. When you are lined up one on one and can't beat below average players you are not the same player as last year. This has been all year, not just the recent foot injury issue. I think Mario is done and that is a big loss for a team investing 20 million a year on him.
JohnC Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 You do realize that Rex's coaching the year before he was fired was considered masterful? The year he got fired he was trotting out Geno Smith at QB. I don't fault any coach for not winning with Geno. Just like I wouldn't expect anyone to win with EJ Manuel. Rex did not make the playoffs his last four years with the team. If you believe that Rex is a good HC that is fine. That's your opinion. I don't. I think he is less than mediocre. That is my opinion. Your explanation for the fall off from the defense is completely bogus. Age? And you are serious? They brought back every player from the defense last year outside of Spikes and Searcy and added a top notch corner in Darby. What is Mario? 31. Age my ass. We heard it in training camp and during the season. These players upfront hate the scheme and it's showing. The entire defensive line has been neutralized thanks to the defensive coaching staff but I don't expect someone with a picture of Rex Ryan as their avatar to admit this.... You have assaulted the wrong person! LOL
jeffismagic Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Rex did not make the playoffs his last four years with the team. If you believe that Rex is a good HC that is fine. That's your opinion. I don't. I think he is less than mediocre. That is my opinion. You have assaulted the wrong person! LOL I try not to just be average joe fan. Average joe fan just looks at the last 2-3 games and what have you done for me lately. Belichick is amazing with Brady, just a coach with communication issues when he was at Cleveland. This is a QB league. Get me a very good QB and your coach will probably look very good too.
Georgia Bill Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 I think you were trying to respond to me but messed up. Yes, let's talk about Mario Williams. If you think he is the same player as last year you are not watching the same football games. He has hit a wall. He is now just another guy. I don't care what the scheme is. When you are lined up one on one and can't beat below average players you are not the same player as last year. This has been all year, not just the recent foot injury issue. I think Mario is done and that is a big loss for a team investing 20 million a year on him. Who killed the Mario? The Rex killed the Mario
jeffismagic Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Who killed the Mario? The Rex killed the Mario So Rex is forcing Mario to not be able to beat backup offensive linemen for sacks? Good to know.
BADOLBILZ Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 You do realize that Rex's coaching the year before he was fired was considered masterful? The year he got fired he was trotting out Geno Smith at QB. I don't fault any coach for not winning with Geno. Just like I wouldn't expect anyone to win with EJ Manuel. This is true, it was considered by many to be his best coaching job. But the killer here is that he sank this season trying to jam his complicated defensive scheme on this team. That Jets team was in year 5 of his system. Things have changed since Rex first got the Jets job and players practice much less so a good coach knows he has to implement systems that can be easily assimilated. The easy part of their schedule was September and October and his schemes just put them in a deep hole which they haven't been able to dig themselves out of. His D is working better but the scheme still doesn't fit the best players the Bills have and exposes their worst. Gameday mistakes and undisciplined play have subsequently killed them in key road games at KC and Philly.
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