Who Still Likes the Rex Hire

[GunnerBill]

And you didn't need to force him on Roman..... Hue Jackson actually wanted to keep him!!

 

You could absolutely have forced Schwartz on Roman. We had a top 3 unit, Roman would be crazy to change DC's.

[machine gun kelly]

My position on this is one is one I take with a heavy heart. I am almost always an advocate for stability. I was willing to keep Doug Marrone this year even though I knew there were some glaring issues with his team because I value stability and consistency. I support a soccer club that has had the same Head Coach for nearly 20 years and even though he has his detractors I passionately believe he remains the right man.

 

Firing people left, right and centre doesn’t often lead to success in sports… you are far more likely to miss on the right guy by getting rid too quickly than by showing patience.

However, despite what my gut is telling me about stability – I cannot support continuing under the stewardship of Rex Ryan. I am not one of those fans who takes joy in being negative – anyone who has read my posts the 3 years I have been here will attest to that – I say this with no relish….. but Rex Ryan is the wrong man.

 

That was my instant reaction back in January – but having had my say I undertook to get on board and wait and see what the season brought. I had even convinced myself by the time the season began that this was going to work out. What I have seen since confirms all my worst fears:

• Indiscipline
• Inconsistency
• Players looking confused
• Lack of in-game adjustments
• Poor in-game management
• The defense taking a step back (I thought they might take a step back to 10/12 in the league and that would leave us right on the brink of the post-season…. We are currently 20^th in yards allowed)

Rex Ryan simply is not a good Head Football Coach. He was, in his prime, an outstanding Defensive Coordinator - but I look around the league and wonder if he would even be that anymore. The game constantly changes and develops and the 3-4 under with disguised blitz concepts looks as though it might have had its day to me. More and more teams are now running a 4-3 that relies on controlling the line of scrimmage, getting pressure right up the middle and discipline in the secondary. That is the approach that has made Seattle a great defense. It is what Schwartz did here last year and it just looks a better stylistic fit for our personnel. The best teams around the league are generally running a 4-3 and even Denver – who run a 3-4 – run a totally different variety of that defense to Rex.

 

If someone had said before the season that we were going to get league average play from our o-line and above league average play from Tyrod as well as 7 consecutive games of 100+ yards from scrimmage from Shady we would all have thought that meant a post-season berth. Whist Greg Roman has his faults he has done a pretty good job in the main with this offense - we are 14^th in total yards and 13^th in total points. The defense has let us down and the blame for that has to go on Rex’s shoulders.

 

And consider this – Rex Ryan might be one of the only men in history to have taken over a winning team in his first two head coaching spots. Both the Bills and the Jets were 9-7 the year before Rex arrived. When you then consider that halfway through year 7 he is 52-57 as a Head Coach it rather confirms the view that he is an over promoted coordinator.

I would normally say give Rex Ryan at least one more year…. Let’s see how it works with a second year in the system. But I cannot honestly hand on heart say I think that it will get better. I don’t. I think every year spent under Rex’s guidance will prove to be a year wasted and at a time when we had a team that was ready to go….

 

It is, I repeat, with a heavy heart….. that I ask humbly that the Pegulas fire Rex Ryan.

 

I am with you. If they fire Whaley to prop up Rex Ryan I promise you I will have a serious meltdown.

 

Gunner Bill, i couldn't agree with you more. Well written, and spot on. I wanted it to work with Rex, but it is not. Whaley is not the problem, Rex is the problem. I've stated before it won't happen as the Pegulas are in for $27.5 mil, so there is no way they fire him, but the should.

 

Firing Whaley would be catastrophic.

[billsfan_34]

Tough to root for your team when you can't stand the head coach. This is now two straight hires that have made my skin crawl.

Statistically he is in the top 8 - 12 teams make it to the playoffs. Just something to ponder.

My position on this is one is one I take with a heavy heart. I am almost always an advocate for stability. I was willing to keep Doug Marrone this year even though I knew there were some glaring issues with his team because I value stability and consistency. I support a soccer club that has had the same Head Coach for nearly 20 years and even though he has his detractors I passionately believe he remains the right man.

 

Firing people left, right and centre doesnt often lead to success in sports you are far more likely to miss on the right guy by getting rid too quickly than by showing patience.

However, despite what my gut is telling me about stability I cannot support continuing under the stewardship of Rex Ryan. I am not one of those fans who takes joy in being negative anyone who has read my posts the 3 years I have been here will attest to that I say this with no relish.. but Rex Ryan is the wrong man.

 

That was my instant reaction back in January but having had my say I undertook to get on board and wait and see what the season brought. I had even convinced myself by the time the season began that this was going to work out. What I have seen since confirms all my worst fears:

• Indiscipline
• Inconsistency
• Players looking confused
• Lack of in-game adjustments
• Poor in-game management
• The defense taking a step back (I thought they might take a step back to 10/12 in the league and that would leave us right on the brink of the post-season. We are currently 20^th in yards allowed)

Rex Ryan simply is not a good Head Football Coach. He was, in his prime, an outstanding Defensive Coordinator - but I look around the league and wonder if he would even be that anymore. The game constantly changes and develops and the 3-4 under with disguised blitz concepts looks as though it might have had its day to me. More and more teams are now running a 4-3 that relies on controlling the line of scrimmage, getting pressure right up the middle and discipline in the secondary. That is the approach that has made Seattle a great defense. It is what Schwartz did here last year and it just looks a better stylistic fit for our personnel. The best teams around the league are generally running a 4-3 and even Denver who run a 3-4 run a totally different variety of that defense to Rex.

 

If someone had said before the season that we were going to get league average play from our o-line and above league average play from Tyrod as well as 7 consecutive games of 100+ yards from scrimmage from Shady we would all have thought that meant a post-season berth. Whist Greg Roman has his faults he has done a pretty good job in the main with this offense - we are 14^th in total yards and 13^th in total points. The defense has let us down and the blame for that has to go on Rexs shoulders.

 

And consider this Rex Ryan might be one of the only men in history to have taken over a winning team in his first two head coaching spots. Both the Bills and the Jets were 9-7 the year before Rex arrived. When you then consider that halfway through year 7 he is 52-57 as a Head Coach it rather confirms the view that he is an over promoted coordinator.

I would normally say give Rex Ryan at least one more year. Lets see how it works with a second year in the system. But I cannot honestly hand on heart say I think that it will get better. I dont. I think every year spent under Rexs guidance will prove to be a year wasted and at a time when we had a team that was ready to go.

 

It is, I repeat, with a heavy heart.. that I ask humbly that the Pegulas fire Rex Ryan.

 

 

I am with you. If they fire Whaley to prop up Rex Ryan I promise you I will have a serious meltdown.

Very well written and spot on. All the things you have written I have thought in my head from the outdated defensive scheme to the grose undisciplined issues etc etc. I have a feeling the Ryans will be out of football completely in the near future.

 

A quick rant- we have playoffs on the line and Rex decides to have his brother who was just fired on our practice field in Bills gear? A time when we need ultimate focus he opts for more circus show.

[Dr. K]

Me.

 

Players make plays.

This is moronic. The same players that led the league in sacks last year are dead last this year. The same players that held penalties to a reasonable level are now completely out of control. Bradham and Dareus and Mario looked great in Schwartz's system and now they can't play anymore. Yet you're all on the Rex bandwagon.

 

"Players make plays."

Edited December 15, 2015 by Dr. K

[Dr. K]

My position on this is one is one I take with a heavy heart. I am almost always an advocate for stability. I was willing to keep Doug Marrone this year even though I knew there were some glaring issues with his team because I value stability and consistency. I support a soccer club that has had the same Head Coach for nearly 20 years and even though he has his detractors I passionately believe he remains the right man.

 

Firing people left, right and centre doesn’t often lead to success in sports… you are far more likely to miss on the right guy by getting rid too quickly than by showing patience.

However, despite what my gut is telling me about stability – I cannot support continuing under the stewardship of Rex Ryan. I am not one of those fans who takes joy in being negative – anyone who has read my posts the 3 years I have been here will attest to that – I say this with no relish….. but Rex Ryan is the wrong man.

 

That was my instant reaction back in January – but having had my say I undertook to get on board and wait and see what the season brought. I had even convinced myself by the time the season began that this was going to work out. What I have seen since confirms all my worst fears:

• Indiscipline
• Inconsistency
• Players looking confused
• Lack of in-game adjustments
• Poor in-game management
• The defense taking a step back (I thought they might take a step back to 10/12 in the league and that would leave us right on the brink of the post-season…. We are currently 20^th in yards allowed)

Rex Ryan simply is not a good Head Football Coach. He was, in his prime, an outstanding Defensive Coordinator - but I look around the league and wonder if he would even be that anymore. The game constantly changes and develops and the 3-4 under with disguised blitz concepts looks as though it might have had its day to me. More and more teams are now running a 4-3 that relies on controlling the line of scrimmage, getting pressure right up the middle and discipline in the secondary. That is the approach that has made Seattle a great defense. It is what Schwartz did here last year and it just looks a better stylistic fit for our personnel. The best teams around the league are generally running a 4-3 and even Denver – who run a 3-4 – run a totally different variety of that defense to Rex.

 

If someone had said before the season that we were going to get league average play from our o-line and above league average play from Tyrod as well as 7 consecutive games of 100+ yards from scrimmage from Shady we would all have thought that meant a post-season berth. Whist Greg Roman has his faults he has done a pretty good job in the main with this offense - we are 14^th in total yards and 13^th in total points. The defense has let us down and the blame for that has to go on Rex’s shoulders.

 

And consider this – Rex Ryan might be one of the only men in history to have taken over a winning team in his first two head coaching spots. Both the Bills and the Jets were 9-7 the year before Rex arrived. When you then consider that halfway through year 7 he is 52-57 as a Head Coach it rather confirms the view that he is an over promoted coordinator.

I would normally say give Rex Ryan at least one more year…. Let’s see how it works with a second year in the system. But I cannot honestly hand on heart say I think that it will get better. I don’t. I think every year spent under Rex’s guidance will prove to be a year wasted and at a time when we had a team that was ready to go….

 

It is, I repeat, with a heavy heart….. that I ask humbly that the Pegulas fire Rex Ryan.

 

I am with you. If they fire Whaley to prop up Rex Ryan I promise you I will have a serious meltdown.

From first word to the last, this has exactly been my opinion of Ryan. I, also, hated the hire but was willing to wait and see--I've been wrong lots of time and everybody seemed to think he was the man for the job. But everything we've seen bears out your reading of the team.

 

Likewise, I think firing Whaley would be a huge mistake. But given the Pegulas were clearly the ones most enamored of Rex, I think it's more likely they will dump him than Rex, and we will really be in the crapper. Whaley is going to GM a Super Bowl team in his career. Rex will never coach one.

[truth on hold]

Let's just get to 9&7...a legit 9&7, not the phoney one like last year when pats gave us week 17 win. That may only be a 1 in 10 chance of making playoffs but at least it's progress

[Prickly Pete]

This season was a waste to me.

 

If Ryan had any idea that the guys currently on the defense weren't right for his scheme, they should have traded some of them, or at least not given out big new contracts. Why give big money to Dareus or Jerry Hughes? Why not bring in players that would fit?

 

So NOW they will bring in guys to fit the Ryan Scheme, and we go through more of the "learning process", and then maybe by season 3, the defense is pretty good, but by then other guys have gone into decline (LeSean McCoy comes to mind).

[truth on hold]

This season was a waste to me.

 

If Ryan had any idea that the guys currently on the defense weren't right for his scheme, they should have traded some of them, or at least not given out big new contracts. Why give big money to Dareus or Jerry Hughes? Why not bring in players that would fit?

 

So NOW they will bring in guys to fit the Ryan Scheme, and we go through more of the "learning process", and then maybe by season 3, the defense is pretty good, but by then other guys have gone into decline (LeSean McCoy comes to mind).

Hughes has shown he fits the scheme with his improved coverage skills...he's a true hybrid de/olb now. Dareus fits any scheme. Mario doesn't, and I think he and the team know it ...don't expect him back. Meatball will be back for the right price and like Dareus fits any scheme. Agree on McCoy...fun guy to watch, but overpaid based on needs and timing. Edited December 16, 2015 by JTSP

[mannc]

No Bills coach in the past 16 years deserved to be fired more than Rex. He has done the least with the most.

[GunnerBill]

No Bills coach in the past 16 years deserved to be fired more than Rex. He has done the least with the most.

I agree.

[Prickly Pete]

Hughes has shown he fits the scheme with his improved coverage skills...he's a true hybrid de/olb now. Dareus fits any scheme. Mario doesn't, and I think he and the team know it ...don't expect him back. Meatball will be back for the right price and like Dareus fits any scheme. Agree on McCoy...fun guy to watch, but overpaid based on needs and timing.

 

Sure Hughes and Dareus can fit in any scheme, but do they fit this one so well that both should be signed to big contracts? Is a guy like Dareus needed, or is he going to waste? It seems like good LB's and having a real NT are key to Ryan's front 7.

 

Other than Tyrod getting experience, I don't know what was accomplished this season.

Edited December 16, 2015 by HoF Watkins

[GunnerBill]

 

Sure Hughes and Dareus can fit in any scheme, but do they fit this one so well that both should be signed to big contracts? Is a guy like Dareus needed, or is he going to waste? It seems like good LB's and having a real NT are key to Ryan's front 7.

 

Other than Tyrod getting experience, I don't know what was accomplished this season.

 

I agree - and if it comes to a choice between Dareus and Hughes on their contracts or Rex freaking Ryan then it has to be motormouth who is sent down the road.

 

Tyrod getting experience is the major positive and for me these last 3 games I am turning the offense over to him much more. Let him try calling some of his own plays in the huddle, give him more control at the line and really try and focus on calling some middle of the field stuff and some intermediate stuff to bring him on in those areas. Let's test Tyrod and see as much as we can. If throws some picks - who cares? We know what Shady is he has shown that the past 7 weeks, he is a stud we won't learn anything running Shady a bucket load the next 3 games. Rest his legs a bit and let Tyrod throw.

[Bill from NYC]

We know what Shady is he has shown that the past 7 weeks, he is a stud we won't learn anything running Shady a bucket load the next 3 games. Rest his legs a bit and let Tyrod throw.

I respectfully disagree. McCoy need to earn his millions of dollars. He needs to rest his narcissistic mouth, not his legs.

[GunnerBill]

I respectfully disagree. McCoy need to earn his millions of dollars. He needs to rest his narcissistic mouth, not his legs.

 

I am more interested in using these 3 games for something though rather than running Shady to teach him some humility... that isn't going to happen.

[Nihilarian]

My position on this is one is one I take with a heavy heart. I am almost always an advocate for stability. I was willing to keep Doug Marrone this year even though I knew there were some glaring issues with his team because I value stability and consistency. I support a soccer club that has had the same Head Coach for nearly 20 years and even though he has his detractors I passionately believe he remains the right man.

 

Firing people left, right and centre doesn’t often lead to success in sports… you are far more likely to miss on the right guy by getting rid too quickly than by showing patience.

However, despite what my gut is telling me about stability – I cannot support continuing under the stewardship of Rex Ryan. I am not one of those fans who takes joy in being negative – anyone who has read my posts the 3 years I have been here will attest to that – I say this with no relish….. but Rex Ryan is the wrong man.

 

That was my instant reaction back in January – but having had my say I undertook to get on board and wait and see what the season brought. I had even convinced myself by the time the season began that this was going to work out. What I have seen since confirms all my worst fears:

• Indiscipline
• Inconsistency
• Players looking confused
• Lack of in-game adjustments
• Poor in-game management
• The defense taking a step back (I thought they might take a step back to 10/12 in the league and that would leave us right on the brink of the post-season…. We are currently 20^th in yards allowed)

Rex Ryan simply is not a good Head Football Coach. He was, in his prime, an outstanding Defensive Coordinator - but I look around the league and wonder if he would even be that anymore. The game constantly changes and develops and the 3-4 under with disguised blitz concepts looks as though it might have had its day to me. More and more teams are now running a 4-3 that relies on controlling the line of scrimmage, getting pressure right up the middle and discipline in the secondary. That is the approach that has made Seattle a great defense. It is what Schwartz did here last year and it just looks a better stylistic fit for our personnel. The best teams around the league are generally running a 4-3 and even Denver – who run a 3-4 – run a totally different variety of that defense to Rex.

 

If someone had said before the season that we were going to get league average play from our o-line and above league average play from Tyrod as well as 7 consecutive games of 100+ yards from scrimmage from Shady we would all have thought that meant a post-season berth. Whist Greg Roman has his faults he has done a pretty good job in the main with this offense - we are 14^th in total yards and 13^th in total points. The defense has let us down and the blame for that has to go on Rex’s shoulders.

 

And consider this – Rex Ryan might be one of the only men in history to have taken over a winning team in his first two head coaching spots. Both the Bills and the Jets were 9-7 the year before Rex arrived. When you then consider that halfway through year 7 he is 52-57 as a Head Coach it rather confirms the view that he is an over promoted coordinator.

I would normally say give Rex Ryan at least one more year…. Let’s see how it works with a second year in the system. But I cannot honestly hand on heart say I think that it will get better. I don’t. I think every year spent under Rex’s guidance will prove to be a year wasted and at a time when we had a team that was ready to go….

 

It is, I repeat, with a heavy heart….. that I ask humbly that the Pegula's fire Rex Ryan.

 

Well written, and very well said! I couldn't agree more!

 

When you see a man come into a team with as much head coaching experience as Rex Ryan has there are no excuses for failure. Ryan was handed a great defense and for whatever reason he decided to ruin it this year. If it was just the defense, but its not! Its the penalties! Its the poor game management at times! Its the poor red flag management at times. Its the big mouth motivating opposing teams. Its the team looking sloppy, and unprepared at times.

 

 

All I know is I'm hoping these new owners don't stay with Ryan, and give him free reign to retool, rebuild the defense to fit his scheme which could take another three to five years. Then still be a loser only with different players. Enough of these losers! Do what the NY Jets did after they fired Ryan, and hire some experienced consultants in Ron Wolf, Charlie Casserly. Those two picked the new GM, HC and went from 4-12 under Ryan to now 8-5 with the #5 defense in the NFL. Meanwhile the Buffalo Bills are 20th in total defense, 22 in passing, and 30th in sacks!

 

First in sacks the NFL last year to 30th this year under Ryan

[billsfan_34]

This season was a waste to me.

 

If Ryan had any idea that the guys currently on the defense weren't right for his scheme, they should have traded some of them, or at least not given out big new contracts. Why give big money to Dareus or Jerry Hughes? Why not bring in players that would fit?

 

So NOW they will bring in guys to fit the Ryan Scheme, and we go through more of the "learning process", and then maybe by season 3, the defense is pretty good, but by then other guys have gone into decline (LeSean McCoy comes to mind).

The great coaches adjust/tweak their scheme that their players can execute much of the time.

[simplegrunt]

I was disappointed but hopeful from the beginning. Look at the Jets and look at us...No need to explore any further.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Let's see, you have Coach of the year awards, what do you call the reverse of that?

 

The Rex Ryan Award

Edited December 16, 2015 by The Thurmanator

[jumbalaya]

Roman as HC? Really? The penalties on offense are on him more than Rex. Ignoring Sammy for half the season is on him. Having Sammy only have one play in his play book is on him. Roman is nothing special.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I wish coaches contracts could be performanced based like players lol

 

Like for Rex we give him $2-$3M per year and then an extra $1-$2M if we make the playoffs

 

that way the Bills arent on the hook for much if they let him go

 

 

 

CBF