kevnallen Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 I liked the Rex hiring. Not so happy about the numerous penalties or underwhelming defense. But I want to give him and Whaley at least one more season to make improvements. It won't take too much to improve the win total. This year, the Bills were competitive in almost every game. Much more than in previous seasons. Of course it is frustrating when they don't win the close ones, but like I said I think the are close. Firing Rex will just reset the clock and we would have to start from scratch again.
TUBSTER Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Watch out cuz were gonna suck this year. Is what he meant to say I think.
Augie Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 I don't like the concept of linking Rex and Whaley. Whaley has done a good job. It seems the Pegulas became infatuated with Rex. Easy to see how it could happen. They're smart people and will give it enough time, and learn along the way.
CardinalScotts Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 "Well get ready, we're going..." Yeah right!!! 16 years now and still no playoffs!! not a one year fix look up history of coaches in first year with new team. NOT going to the playoffs then throw in a first year starting qb and the injuries. This is where you don't fire the coach and bring in the next guy. See Cleveland Browns
Augie Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 I like rex As in "he seems like a good guy and I'd love to have a beer with him", or "he's a proven leader of a successful and disciplined football team that wins against superior talent and he can get us a SB trophy"? I'm good with the first part. His win/loss record the last 5 or so years and our penalty history this year do not encourage me. He tries to trick rather than beat the opponent, despite the talent to dominate. All ego, no results (other than his giant contract, of course, but that doesn't help ME feel better). He is what he has shown us, I'm afraid.
PortlandiaEast Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 You say you are done but you keep making threads. Sounds like a true bills fan! I still like the rex hire. I will judge him after two full seasons with the bills.
UBBullsfan Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 There has to be some bigger issue here. EVERYONE fails. It's truly incredible. Every head coach. Every QB. Every system. It's always the same results, no matter what. You need an elite QB to win big in the NFL. No other way to slice it. And Tryhard Taylor is NOT the answer.
RussellDopeland Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Tough to root for your team when you can't stand the head coach. This is now two straight hires that have made my skin crawl.
Nihilarian Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Its simple. Rex leaves the Jets and the Jets improve. Rex joins the Bills and the Bills get worse. It really is that simple. How many more years does Rex have on his contract? That is how many more years the Bills don't make the playoffs. This! It really is that simple! Bills fans that still like Rex Ryan as the Bills HC lose all credibility with me considering what he did to the #4 defense in the NFL that was #1 in sacks last year. That was #2 in sacks in 2013, and 10th in total defense under Mike Pettine. That even under horriable Bills DC Dave Wannstedt in 2012, and terribad BIlls DC George Edwards 2010-2011 the Bills defense was still better in sacks! 2010-Edwards DC 27th in sacks with No Mario, no Hughes, no Dareus, and just Kyle Williams 2011-Edwards DC 27th in sacks with no Mario, no Hughes, no Dareus, and just Kyle Williams 2012- Wannstedt DC 18th in sacks with Mario, Dareus, Kyle Willams, no Hughes 2013-Pettine DC 2nd in sacks with Mario, Dareus, Kyle, and Hughes 2014-Schwartz DC #1 in sacks with Mario, Dareus, Kyle, and Hughes The Buffalo Bills are currently 30th in sacks with only 19. The ramifications of what happens to a defense when they fail to apply pressure on the opposing QB are immense, and basically give that QB all day to throw. The Bills defense couldn't stop Sam Bradford, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Blake Bortles, Andy Dalton when it mattered most. Last season the Bills were a terror in rushing the passer, and teams were worried about their QB getting hit so much, and this year they can't apply pressure at all. Ryan basically took three all pro's along with superb pass rusher Jerry Hughes, and neutered them with his gap control - drop back into pass coverage scheme.
Augie Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 You need an elite QB to win big in the NFL. No other way to slice it. And Tryhard Taylor is NOT the answer. Well, please name a better QB we've had in the last 15 years. That doesn't mean he's a 15 year Franchise QB, but I'm glad he's on the team. Find a serious guy to play behind him (NOT EJ), and if he can beat him out all the better.
Big Blitz Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Rex's scheme isn't the problem. The people who hired him either knowing he'd change it based on the talent he had are to blame. Unless he lied to them and told them he'd keep the system. Either way.....I think it was all the Pegula's with an assist from Brandon. Bc we'd be in the national conversation again. 60,000 season tickets. I'm done. Hire Bevell like we should have last year.
Vinaccia Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 I support Rex Ryan 100%. It takes time to implement Rex's defense. Ray Lewis said he didn't think any defensive players could adjust to it within the first year. As for the offense, it improved. Be patient. A constant revolving door of coaches and QBs will not do this team any good in the long run. This.
Dopey Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) I recall Hughes jumping offsides every game last year too.I recall a top 5 defense last year too. Edited December 15, 2015 by Dopey
Freddie's Dead Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 At the time, I thought Rex was a good hire. He was easily the most visible candidate, but like many here and elsewhere, we saw the glitz. It wasn't until later that we found out (yes, we should have known from his time in NJ) that Rex is all talk and no ass. I've seen all I need to see from Rex, but it's pretty clear he isn't going anywhere. Woe is us. Next year will be 17 and counting.
8-8 Forever? Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 I never did I thought and still think Roman as HC and Schwartz as DC was all this team needed you don't get to pick and choose like that. doesn't work that way. If Roman was HC, he'd pick his own DC. Schwartz next move is HC, he is done as a DC. so your scenario is impossible. this isn't fantasy football
GunnerBill Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 My position on this is one is one I take with a heavy heart. I am almost always an advocate for stability. I was willing to keep Doug Marrone this year even though I knew there were some glaring issues with his team because I value stability and consistency. I support a soccer club that has had the same Head Coach for nearly 20 years and even though he has his detractors I passionately believe he remains the right man. Firing people left, right and centre doesn’t often lead to success in sports… you are far more likely to miss on the right guy by getting rid too quickly than by showing patience. However, despite what my gut is telling me about stability – I cannot support continuing under the stewardship of Rex Ryan. I am not one of those fans who takes joy in being negative – anyone who has read my posts the 3 years I have been here will attest to that – I say this with no relish….. but Rex Ryan is the wrong man. That was my instant reaction back in January – but having had my say I undertook to get on board and wait and see what the season brought. I had even convinced myself by the time the season began that this was going to work out. What I have seen since confirms all my worst fears: Indiscipline Inconsistency Players looking confused Lack of in-game adjustments Poor in-game management The defense taking a step back (I thought they might take a step back to 10/12 in the league and that would leave us right on the brink of the post-season…. We are currently 20th in yards allowed) Rex Ryan simply is not a good Head Football Coach. He was, in his prime, an outstanding Defensive Coordinator - but I look around the league and wonder if he would even be that anymore. The game constantly changes and develops and the 3-4 under with disguised blitz concepts looks as though it might have had its day to me. More and more teams are now running a 4-3 that relies on controlling the line of scrimmage, getting pressure right up the middle and discipline in the secondary. That is the approach that has made Seattle a great defense. It is what Schwartz did here last year and it just looks a better stylistic fit for our personnel. The best teams around the league are generally running a 4-3 and even Denver – who run a 3-4 – run a totally different variety of that defense to Rex. If someone had said before the season that we were going to get league average play from our o-line and above league average play from Tyrod as well as 7 consecutive games of 100+ yards from scrimmage from Shady we would all have thought that meant a post-season berth. Whist Greg Roman has his faults he has done a pretty good job in the main with this offense - we are 14th in total yards and 13th in total points. The defense has let us down and the blame for that has to go on Rex’s shoulders. And consider this – Rex Ryan might be one of the only men in history to have taken over a winning team in his first two head coaching spots. Both the Bills and the Jets were 9-7 the year before Rex arrived. When you then consider that halfway through year 7 he is 52-57 as a Head Coach it rather confirms the view that he is an over promoted coordinator. I would normally say give Rex Ryan at least one more year…. Let’s see how it works with a second year in the system. But I cannot honestly hand on heart say I think that it will get better. I don’t. I think every year spent under Rex’s guidance will prove to be a year wasted and at a time when we had a team that was ready to go…. It is, I repeat, with a heavy heart….. that I ask humbly that the Pegulas fire Rex Ryan. Whaley is doing a really good job. No question in my mind he should get an extension. If they let him go, I think it will be one of the worst decisions in the last 15 years I am with you. If they fire Whaley to prop up Rex Ryan I promise you I will have a serious meltdown.
FireChan Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 you don't get to pick and choose like that. doesn't work that way. If Roman was HC, he'd pick his own DC. Schwartz next move is HC, he is done as a DC. so your scenario is impossible. this isn't fantasy football You could absolutely have forced Schwartz on Roman. We had a top 3 unit, Roman would be crazy to change DC's.
Billsmovinup Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Not a fan of the Ryan hire when it went down and he's done nothing to change my mind. They'll retool the D in the offseason and well see what happens but I'm not getting my hopes up. Five years of average in NY. One year of average here. That's what you call a trend.
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