Augie Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) I think canning Whaley would be a step in the wrong direction at this point. I can't see giving Rex any more power until he learns how to manage a game better and pay attention to the detail of some of the fine points that we've been suffering a death by a thousand cuts this year. Completely agree on this point. Whaley is much better at his job than Rex is at his. Giving Rex MORE control would make me very, very unhappy. Edited December 8, 2015 by Augie
YoloinOhio Posted December 8, 2015 Author Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) It'd be a typical Bills move to get rid of the guy who has actually put talent on the team. what is a "typical Bills move" these days? Have the new owners shown that they have done this before? I don't think they've owned the team long enough to establish any pattern of "typical moves" getting rid of someone who had brought talent to the team. Unless you are referring to the Sabres? Edited December 8, 2015 by YoloinOhio
FireChan Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Whaley still hasn't signed an extension, and my guess is that Vic asked OBD what the status is, and they told him they won't discuss it during the season. There's four games left in the regular season, it's a valid question to ask by a reporter, especially in light of Whaley's comments today that he's been in touch with Richie's and Glenn's agents for an extension. Most likely. Pretty big echo chamber in this here topic. I hope we don't see any tears if Whaley is canned.
RyanC883 Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 I think canning Whaley would be a step in the wrong direction at this point. I can't see giving Rex any more power until he learns how to manage a game better and pay attention to the detail of some of the fine points that we've been suffering a death by a thousand cuts this year. Agreed. And giving Rex more power did not work out so well in NY. Whaley has done a great job. Darby, P. Brown, Watkins (when TT remembers to throw to him), getting Roman, etc. We'd look like idiots if we fired Whaley. The talent on the team is not the issue. The utilization of it at critical points in the game is. That's on Rex. Completely agree on this point. Whaley is much better at his job than Rex is at his. Giving Rex MORE control would make me very, very unhappy. And who would replace Whaley. Some Rex minion (like Dennis Thurman is the minion DC)? This would be a disaster.
NOVABillsFan Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Whaley still hasn't signed an extension, and my guess is that Vic asked OBD what the status is, and they told him they won't discuss it during the season. There's four games left in the regular season, it's a valid question to ask by a reporter, especially in light of Whaley's comments today that he's been in touch with Richie's and Glenn's agents for an extension. Here is my rational for not doing it now. Getting into the playoffs = more $$$$ for Doug The team has been the best it has been in over a decade yet somehow people want him gone! ? Edited December 8, 2015 by NOVABillsFan
K D Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Pure speculation here. It made perfect sense with the emergence of Karlos. And then it made less sense with the injury to Karlos. And then the injury to Karlos again. And again.
YoloinOhio Posted December 8, 2015 Author Posted December 8, 2015 Agreed. And giving Rex more power did not work out so well in NY. Whaley has done a great job. Darby, P. Brown, Watkins (when TT remembers to throw to him), getting Roman, etc. We'd look like idiots if we fired Whaley. The talent on the team is not the issue. The utilization of it at critical points in the game is. That's on Rex. And who would replace Whaley. Some Rex minion (like Dennis Thurman is the minion DC)? This would be a disaster. when did they give Rex any power in NY? I thought the story was that they didn't give him any.
T master Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 What is there to talk about ? The guy has put together the most talented roster the Bills have seen in years & him & the HC have the exact same thoughts when it comes to how to build a team so what then ? If the Pegula's were foolish enough to get rid of Whaley after seeing the potential of what this team can do in only the first year of a 2 scheme change would be crazy ! I'm not all about Rex scheme i liked Schwartz scheme a lot better i think it fit the players better but even the D is doing some good things but could be better & may be with more familiarity in this scheme . So to clear out the guy that put it all together in such a short time period would be totally a old Bills move, more like something that Ralph would do !!!
NOVABillsFan Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 when did they give Rex any power in NY? I thought the story was that they didn't give him any. is it a full moon again?
K D Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Can't throw stojan like this out there without something to give it credibility. Your opinion doesn't count.Heard it from a very reliable source. They are very down to earth people. They didn't like the negativity of getting rid of Fred. They run a billion dollar business but their business contacts are like family to them. Terry has never fired anyone ever (at his company). They would rather keep beloved Fred and have a RB that stinks than get rid of him and have the outcry that resulted. That's not how they do things. Whaley acted on his own and was very sneaky about it. It hurt one of our biggest sponsors (m&t) who had just spent millions on an ad campaign featuring Fred. Not good business and that's not how the Pegula's do things. But that's not why they would get rid of him. It just makes it easier to do so. They have wanted to bring in someone to run football operations from the beginning and that person will have their own ideas about GM. They are willing to spend whatever it takes to win a super bowl Edited December 8, 2015 by kdiggz
Leroi Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Make the Playoffs and T^2 and Whaley will get an extension. Lets let the season play out. We still have 4 games remaining... Imo
K D Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Make the Playoffs and T^2 and Whaley will get an extension. Lets let the season play out. We still have 4 games remaining... Imo I agree it's easy to make such decisions when you are winning. But if you are not playing up to expectations then that's when things get hairy
papazoid Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 @viccarucci: According to a team source, #Bills won't, per SOP, have any discussions about the future of GM Doug Whaley "during the season." Weird tweet - isn't it normal to make these decisions in the offseason? Needless pot stirring by Vic? I mean - was anyone thinking about this while preparing for the Eagles game? thats because his fate is tied to making the playoffs. bills in , he stays. bills out, whaley out.
Nanker Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 #WhaleyGoesRogueAgain Bills win means slow week for outrage. Gotta gin some up. Perfect!
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 If the Bills are dumb enough to fire Whaley, another NFL team will be glad to have him as one of their executives. He won't be unemployed for very long.
Kelly the Dog Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 And then it made less sense with the injury to Karlos. And then the injury to Karlos again. And again. Fred got hurt with Seattle, and then bypassed for playing time by an UDFA. He has 17 carries for 74 yards the entire season on a team that usually runs and has had their #1 RB hurt half of the year.
Jobu Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Getting rid of Whaley would be a very Billsy move. Nobody shoots themselves in the foot like the Buffalo Bills.
Rico Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Heard it from a very reliable source. They are very down to earth people. They didn't like the negativity of getting rid of Fred. They run a billion dollar business but their business contacts are like family to them. Terry has never fired anyone ever (at his company). They would rather keep beloved Fred and have a RB that stinks than get rid of him and have the outcry that resulted. That's not how they do things. Whaley acted on his own and was very sneaky about it. It hurt one of our biggest sponsors (m&t) who had just spent millions on an ad campaign featuring Fred. Not good business and that's not how the Pegula's do things. But that's not why they would get rid of him. It just makes it easier to do so. They have wanted to bring in someone to run football operations from the beginning and that person will have their own ideas about GM. They are willing to spend whatever it takes to win a super bowl Thanks.
elroy16 Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Heard it from a very reliable source. They are very down to earth people. They didn't like the negativity of getting rid of Fred. They run a billion dollar business but their business contacts are like family to them. Terry has never fired anyone ever (at his company). They would rather keep beloved Fred and have a RB that stinks than get rid of him and have the outcry that resulted. That's not how they do things. Whaley acted on his own and was very sneaky about it. It hurt one of our biggest sponsors (m&t) who had just spent millions on an ad campaign featuring Fred. Not good business and that's not how the Pegula's do things. But that's not why they would get rid of him. It just makes it easier to do so. They have wanted to bring in someone to run football operations from the beginning and that person will have their own ideas about GM. They are willing to spend whatever it takes to win a super bowl So they're willing to spend whatever to get a super bowl, but won't cut fan favorites, even if they're over the hill? I understand wanting to treat your business partners with respect and like they're family, but getting upset about football decisions because they might conflict with marketing campaigns is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. If it comes out that this is true and they fire Whaley due to the outcry of cutting a 34 year and the conflict with the marketing campaign, than we are f**ked as a fan base for the next 30 years. Can you also show us how this hurt M&T bank? I saw Tim Graham post how cutting Fred a day before the marketing campaign came out was embarrassing and made a big deal about it. I told him that is stupid and basing football decisions on anything but football performance is moronic. Edited December 8, 2015 by elroy16
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 So they're willing to spend whatever to get a super bowl, but won't cut fan favorites, even if they're over the hill? I understand wanting to treat your business partners with respect and like they're family, but getting upset about football decisions because they might conflict with marketing campaigns is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. If it comes out that this is true and they fire Whaley due to the outcry of cutting a 34 year and the conflict with the marketing campaign, than we are f**ked as a fan base for the next 30 years. Great points!
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