Joe Miner Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Defense is good business and war is better business. War is better because it keeps the population in check and that, in my mind, is our biggest issue. We need a damn good war to wipe out a few million mouth breathing millennials. More than a few boomers could be shown the door as well.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 That's it. I'm calling Edwin Starr......... I had to look it up but then I laughed.
Chef Jim Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 More than a few boomers could be shown the door as well. Hmmmmm. That's only fair. Being a boomer however what would be the determining factor that would result in their extermination? I don't think having them part of the military is wise. They'd just slow things down. Should we start a new thread to get ideas on this?
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Hmmmmm. That's only fair. Being a boomer however what would be the determining factor that would result in their extermination? I don't think having them part of the military is wise. They'd just slow things down. Should we start a new thread to get ideas on this? I say yes.
unbillievable Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 This is a protestant country. The Pope has little sway among the GOP base.
GG Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Here's the chain: There's more money in war than there is in peace. Your point is silly and irrelevant to the discussion that was ongoing. The point isn't that companies outside of the MiC don't make money, it's that the money behind the defense industry has bought and paid for our government in order to promote instability and conflict which bolsters their bottom lines. Comparing them to Apple as some sort of trump card doesn't prove any point. You posted the bolded. If that were true, a company whose business is war & defense would be far more profitable than whose business is to sell lifestyle gadgets. Do your own homework and answer the question whether war times have truly brought economic expansions. DoD is at a trough of spending relative to GDP
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 You posted the bolded. If that were true, a company whose business is war & defense would be far more profitable than whose business is to sell lifestyle gadgets. Do your own homework and answer the question whether war times have truly brought economic expansions. DoD is at a trough of spending relative to GDP Put the bolded into context, don't invent your own. "There's more money in war than peace." ... For those who bought and paid for our elected officials. Those interested in perma war, a state we've been in for longer than any other stretch in our nation's history. The argument isn't that war is good for all, but for a few who profit from death and destruction. If it were good for all I wouldn't be arguing. It's not. It's good for a select few. The same select few who buy more government influence than any other group.
GG Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Put the bolded into context, don't invent your own. "There's more money in war than peace." ... For those who bought and paid for our elected officials. Those interested in perma war, a state we've been in for longer than any other stretch in our nation's history. The argument isn't that war is good for all, but for a few who profit from death and destruction. If it were good for all I wouldn't be arguing. It's not. It's good for a select few. The same select few who buy more government influence than any other group. If your argument is that DoD contractors argue for a wartime state to inflate their earnings, you're a fool. They do just fine with regular defense appropriations. And you can say the same thing about all government contractors. Pull Dexter aside and ask him about the Nth time they had to redesign a basic database that has nothing to do with the military or defense. DoD gets most of the attention because it's the biggest line item. But that crap happens at every single agency Don't look at the symptom. Look at the cause.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 If your argument is that DoD contractors argue for a wartime state to inflate their earnings, you're a fool. They do just fine with regular defense appropriations. And you can say the same thing about all government contractors. Pull Dexter aside and ask him about the Nth time they had to redesign a basic database that has nothing to do with the military or defense. DoD gets most of the attention because it's the biggest line item. But that crap happens at every single agency Don't look at the symptom. Look at the cause. It's not just defense contractors who profit from war.
GG Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 It's not just defense contractors who profit from war. The only thing that wars do is create artificial demand from the mobilization and maybe a lift from rebuilding stuff we blew up. You're getting caught up in the trope that the economy boomed during WWII, ergo all wars are great for the economy, which is certainly not the case.
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 The only thing that wars do is create artificial demand from the mobilization and maybe a lift from rebuilding stuff we blew up. You're getting caught up in the trope that the economy boomed during WWII, ergo all wars are great for the economy, which is certainly not the case. There's the broken window fallacy emerging again. If war was truly good for an economy, the wisest and most sound national economic strategy would be for the United States and England to build enormous Navies, move them out into the middle of the Atlantic, and sink them.
Chef Jim Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 There's the broken window fallacy emerging again. If war was truly good for an economy, the wisest and most sound national economic strategy would be for the United States and England to build enormous Navies, move them out into the middle of the Atlantic, and sink them. If I get gatorman's logic I think he'd agree with that. 1. Hire thousands 2. Build ships 3. Sink ships 4. Wash, rinse, repeat.
DC Tom Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 It's not just defense contractors who profit from war. No, it pretty much is. Wars usually require price- and wage-fixing.
B-Man Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM: “Trump is way ahead — for many reasons, but the most important is obvious and virtually ignored,” “Political correctness................................ Trump hasn’t made it a campaign theme exactly, but he mentions it often with angry disgust. Reporters, pundits, and the other candidates treat it as a sideshow, a handy way for Trump (King Kong Jr.) to smack down the pitiful airplanes that attack him as he bestrides his mighty tower, roaring. But the analysts have it exactly backward. Political correctness is the biggest issue facing America today.” Trump: ‘I would be so angry’ at Obama if I were black http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-%e2%80%98i-would-be-so-angry%e2%80%99-at-obama-if-i-were-black/ar-BBpI107?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCDHP Trump: Pope Francis 'a terrific person' http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270040-trump-pope-francis-a-terrific-person Trump said he was "very honored" after a Vatican official clarified the pontiff's remarks. Edited February 19, 2016 by B-Man
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 The only thing that wars do is create artificial demand from the mobilization and maybe a lift from rebuilding stuff we blew up. You're getting caught up in the trope that the economy boomed during WWII, ergo all wars are great for the economy, which is certainly not the case. I'm really not getting caught up in that. The American voter doesn't get to decide when we go to war, our elected officials do. Yet, since LBJ, this autonomy has been stripped away from our elected officials. The powers that be decide when we go to war now. And it's all about the money. No, it pretty much is. Wars usually require price- and wage-fixing. Central banks would beg to differ.
Chef Jim Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 I say yes. Ok. But should we do it here or OTW?
keepthefaith Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 There's the broken window fallacy emerging again. If war was truly good for an economy, the wisest and most sound national economic strategy would be for the United States and England to build enormous Navies, move them out into the middle of the Atlantic, and sink them. That would not stimulate the sale of alcohol the way bombing North Korea or Iran would so I have to disagree.
millbank Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 networks all projecting now Trump has won South Carolina,, issue now is does Rubio pass Cruz for number two
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