Trump Alone at the Top

[4merper4mer]

Well, that certainly explains a lot, including the copy of The March of the Penguins on your iPad.

Over the line even for PPP.

 

Rules of the forum clearly state that you can talk about Tom's porn stache......but not his porn stash.

Edited September 9, 2016 by 4merper4mer

[IDBillzFan]

 

Except that Apple is no longer cutting edge.

 

And the DNC is out of ideas, but it doesn't keep the fanboys from standing in line for either of them.

[shrader]

I'm watching this thing on NBC with Trump and Hillary, and I have a little bit of very good, free, undeniable advice for the RNC: forget the WH and do everything you can to stack the House and Senate.

 

Everything.

 

It's our only hope because one of these idiots is going to win, and the best you can hope for right now is to have the cards stacked in your favor to stop both of them.

 

I turned this on late and only caught the very last question for Hillary and then all of Trump. Was the lighting really bad throughout the whole thing? I noticed pretty quickly that Trump's face was so red that I thought he was furious. But then I started to notice the same thing with a few in the crowd asking questions so I assumed it was the lights.

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

I turned this on late and only caught the very last question for Hillary and then all of Trump. Was the lighting really bad throughout the whole thing? I noticed pretty quickly that Trump's face was so red that I thought he was furious. But then I started to notice the same thing with a few in the crowd asking questions so I assumed it was the lights.

No. Trump just gives everyone high blood pressure, including himself.

[B-Man]

If You Want Checks and Balances, Vote Trump: The civil service, though supposedly professional and nonpartisan, has become a Democratic Party monoculture.

[grinreaper]

If You Want Checks and Balances, Vote Trump: The civil service, though supposedly professional and nonpartisan, has become a Democratic Party monoculture.

From your link:

 

 

So I’ve made no secret of being unhappy with my choices in this presidential election, a feeling that I share with most voters, judging by the polls.

Trump is a blowhard who seems to have something of a man-crush on Vladimir Putin. His business dealings are as shady as you’d expect a New York real-estate developer’s to be, his campaign has been a madhouse, and even on the positions of his that I like, I don’t have a whole lot of confidence that he’ll actually deliver.

Hillary, on the other hand is, well, a crook. Her period at the State Department was marked by pretty much out-and-out influence peddling, the Clinton Foundation seems to be little more than a money laundry, and when she’s asked to explain herself, she sounds like a Mafia boss’s lawyer, only less believable.

 

(skip)

 

 

So what to do? Well, the answer to me comes from a column by Bill McGurn in the Wall Street Journal, noting that the worst scandal in Hillary’s email scandal isn’t what Hillary did — we expect her to act like a crook — but rather that the supposedly professional, nonpartisan civil service rolled over for her, and even offered cover. As McGurn writes:

 

 

Even today her former department is still resisting efforts to make public the emails she tried to hide. Groups such as Judicial Watch have done yeoman’s work in forcing the emails into the sunlight—but they have also had to get court orders to pry them out of an obstructionist State Department.

It’s a disturbing pattern, and unfortunately it’s not limited to State. There have been similar questions about the integrity and professionalism of the IRS ever since the American people learned in 2013 that it was unfairly targeting conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status.

Three years, many congressional hearings and disappearing hard drives later, there is still no evidence the IRS has ended the practice.

And the FBI and Department of Justice have seemed curiously uninterested in going after people for behavior that, in other circumstances, would be a surefire ticket to federal prison.

The reason, of course, is that the civil service, though supposedly professional and nonpartisan, has become a Democratic Party monoculture. Federal employees overwhelmingly vote for Democrats, donate to Democrats, and, by all appearances, cover for Democrats as a routine part of doing their job.

 

When Richard Nixon tried to weaponize the IRS, top officials at the Service made a stink. Under Obama, the IRS weaponized itself.

And, of course, the press is in the tank for the Democrats as usual. Bad news about Obama and Clinton has been soft-pedaled, with reporters sometimes admitting that they don’t want to help Trump.

So if the choice in 2016 is between one bad candidate and another (and it is) the question is, which one will do the least harm. And, judging by the civil service’s behavior, that’s got to be Trump. If Trump tries to target his enemies with the IRS, you can bet that he’ll get a lot of pushback — and the press, instead of explaining it away, will make a huge stink. If Trump engages in influence-peddling, or abuses secrecy laws, you can bet that, even if Trump’s appointees sit atop the DOJ or FBI, the civil service will ensure that things don’t get swept under the rug. And if Trump wants to go to war, he’ll get far more scrutiny than Hillary will get — or, in cases like her disastrous Libya invasion, has gotten.

So the message is clear. If you want good government, vote for Trump — he’s the only one who will make this whole checks-and-balances thing work.

 

 

 

Edited September 9, 2016 by grinreaper

[DC Tom]

If You Want Checks and Balances, Vote Trump: The civil service, though supposedly professional and nonpartisan, has become a Democratic Party monoculture.

 

That's a bull **** article. The (*^*&%^$^#who wrote it is extrapolating the donation patterns of select lawyers in the Federal Government, and extrapolating that result to the entire civil service.

 

Most government works vote their jobs; they're more inclined to vote for whoever will fund their parent department and not fire them. They cover for wrongdoing for the same reason.

[B-Man]

From your link:

 

 

So I’ve made no secret of being unhappy with my choices in this presidential election, a feeling that I share with most voters, judging by the polls

 

 

So what to do?

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

I have made no secret of my displeasure with Trump and with Clinton.

 

My reasoning comes down to this.....................

 

If Trump starts acting foolishly and unconstitutionally, there is little doubt that BOTH sides of the aisle would act to stop him........................

 

However,

 

if Hillary is elected, and starts (or continues) to act illegally THERE IS ZERO CHANCE, that she would be impeached or even vetoed.

 

The only safe choice is for Trump and to hope that he appoints some competent people.

 

 

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Edited September 9, 2016 by B-Man

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

 

Exactly.

 

I have made no secret of my displeasure with Trump and with Clinton.

 

My reasoning comes down to this.....................

 

If Trump starts acting foolishly and unconstitutionally, there is little doubt that BOTH sides of the aisle would act to stop him........................

 

However,

 

if Hillary is elected, and starts (or continues) to act illegally THERE IS ZERO CHANCE, that she would be impeached or even vetoed.

 

The only safe choice is for Trump and to hope that he appoints some competent people.

 

 

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What you are forgeting, is that the President becomes the defacto head of the Party. By electing Trump, you will be declaring that what Trump is, is what Republicanism is, is what Trump is for the next 10-20 years.

Edited September 9, 2016 by TakeYouToTasker

[B-Man]

What you are forgeting, is that the President becomes the defacto head of the Party. By electing Trump, you will be declaring that what Trump is, is what Republicanism is, is what Trump is for the next 10-20 years.

 

 

No sir,

 

I am forgetting nothing.

 

The "fate" of the Republican party is of little concern to me....................America and conservative values are.

 

 

besides............your statement works just as poorly for the democrat party when you insert either Obama or Hillary doesn't it ?

 

they are not well thought of either.

 

 

 

 

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[grinreaper]

 

 

Exactly.

 

I have made no secret of my displeasure with Trump and with Clinton.

 

My reasoning comes down to this.....................

 

If Trump starts acting foolishly and unconstitutionally, there is little doubt that BOTH sides of the aisle would act to stop him........................

 

However,

 

if Hillary is elected, and starts (or continues) to act illegally THERE IS ZERO CHANCE, that she would be impeached or even vetoed.

 

The only safe choice is for Trump and to hope that he appoints some competent people.

 

 

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Spot on. Awhile back Trump disclosed his short list of possible SC nominees. It was highly acclaimed by conservatives. His surrogates are people like Guliani, Gingrich, Christee, Carson, Flynn and Huckabee. There's no doubt in my mind that he will choose high character and competent people in his administration.

 

From all accounts Trump, in private, is a reasoned, well-liked and get it done kind of person. Hillary on the other hand is known as being a real witch towards her "underlings". One real test of a person's character is how they act when the cameras aren't on.

[Magox]

I agree with TYTT. I was just thinking about this a little earlier today. Republicanism and what it means? Well, it used to mean conservatism, strength on the world stage, libertarian views on regulations and self-responsibility. That's how I used to view it.

 

Over the years, issues such as immigration have come to largely shape the Republican party. And make no mistake, Trump's bigoted harsh views on immigration is what excited Republican base voters to land him the nomination. Conservatism is no longer the driving force for Republicans. By choosing Trump and supporting him, you are endorsing his remake of the Republican party. And lets call for what it is, it's straight up Nationalism, which is very identity and race driven.

 

You may value conservative values, and I don't doubt you whatsoever BMan, but that's not how most people will view Trump and the Republican party.

 

I have come to lose a lot of respect for Republican voters, I see them now in almost the same negative light as I see Democratic voters. The base of one party cares nothing about self-accountability and believes that the government should be the answer to most problems and the other party's base believes that brown people are decaying the country and world.

[grinreaper]

I agree with TYTT. I was just thinking about this a little earlier today. Republicanism and what it means? Well, it used to mean conservatism, strength on the world stage, libertarian views on regulations and self-responsibility. That's how I used to view it.

 

Over the years, issues such as immigration have come to largely shape the Republican party. And make no mistake, Trump's bigoted harsh views on immigration is what excited Republican base voters to land him the nomination. Conservatism is no longer the driving force for Republicans. By choosing Trump and supporting him, you are endorsing his remake of the Republican party. And lets call for what it is, it's straight up Nationalism, which is very identity and race driven.

 

You may value conservative values, and I don't doubt you whatsoever BMan, but that's not how most people will view Trump and the Republican party.

 

I have come to lose a lot of respect for Republican voters, I see them now in almost the same negative light as I see Democratic voters. The base of one party cares nothing about self-accountability and believes that the government should be the answer to most problems and the other party's base believes that brown people are decaying the country and world.

You usually post in a reasonable and well thought out manner. Are you not against illegal immigration?

[DC Tom]

What you are forgeting, is that the President becomes the defacto head of the Party. By electing Trump, you will be declaring that what Trump is, is what Republicanism is, is what Trump is for the next 10-20 years.

 

The Republican party (or the straphangers that latched on to it, in this election) already did that in the primaries.

 

The BEST thing that can happen to the Republican party is that Trump gets elected, and the Republicans are forced to disown his Oompa-Loompa ass when they realize he's screwing everybody over equally.

I agree with TYTT. I was just thinking about this a little earlier today. Republicanism and what it means? Well, it used to mean conservatism, strength on the world stage, libertarian views on regulations and self-responsibility. That's how I used to view it.

 

Over the years, issues such as immigration have come to largely shape the Republican party. And make no mistake, Trump's bigoted harsh views on immigration is what excited Republican base voters to land him the nomination. Conservatism is no longer the driving force for Republicans. By choosing Trump and supporting him, you are endorsing his remake of the Republican party. And lets call for what it is, it's straight up Nationalism, which is very identity and race driven.

 

You may value conservative values, and I don't doubt you whatsoever BMan, but that's not how most people will view Trump and the Republican party.

 

I have come to lose a lot of respect for Republican voters, I see them now in almost the same negative light as I see Democratic voters. The base of one party cares nothing about self-accountability and believes that the government should be the answer to most problems and the other party's base believes that brown people are decaying the country and world.

 

Personally, I think you're confusing bigotry with nationalism - though I'll admit they're closely related.

 

But nationalism is is making a sweeping comeback in the world, much more so than mere bigotry.

[ExiledInIllinois]

We should go back to the original way the US Constitution was set up:

 

Loser becomes Veep...

 

LMAO! Four years of pure gold!

[GG]

You usually post in a reasonable and well thought out manner. Are you not against illegal immigration?

 

This question is a byproduct of bastardizing the immigration debate. Anytime anyone brings up immigration reform on the right, the stock response is that the person must favor illegal immigration. The point that the conservative supporters of immigration reform have been making for over a decade is that US immigration policy hasn't been updated in 25 years. And in this case whenever the natural laws of supply & demand break down, a black market develops, which is why illegal immigration skyrocketed.

 

You're looking at the symptom, not the cause.

[Magox]

You usually post in a reasonable and well thought out manner. Are you not against illegal immigration?

 

I'm against illegal immigration, I've made that point on numerous occasions. What I'm against is straight up bigotry. I'm against the tone and tenor towards minorities from the Republican party. I see it daily, not just here on this site, but just read the comments section on any conservative site when it comes to immigration. It's a cesspool of bigotry, intolerance and ignorance. The fact that Trump was polling at below 5% and with his announcing speech that he was running, states

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

 

 

and then goes from 5% to nearly 20% overnight. I'm sorry, that says something about many Republican primary voters. There is no rational way to look at that statement and not come to the conclusion that it was extremely bigoted.

 

Then Trump says he wants to Ban Muslims. His support goes to nearly 30%. Poll after poll after poll shows that the majority of Republican voters agree with this. It's mind boggling.

 

It's an embarrassment, it's stupid, it's ignorant and it's not even just these things. He opens his mouth, and what comes out? $hit. $hit is what comes out of his mouth. I can't think of a more arrogant narcissistic person in this world than Trump. I can't fathom the fact that he knows nothing, is extremely unprepared, literally contradicts himself in mid sentence and his supporters stay mum. Is it that his supporters are a bunch of dumbasses and they can't see it or are they so blindly partisan that since he has an R in front of his name, that they just ignore it?

 

I look at you guys, the Trump supporters, and I think. What the !@#$ is wrong with you? Are you !@#$ing stupid? We all say that Hillary is corrupt and a liar and a crook. And you know what? She is!

 

But you know what? Trump lies every other sentence that comes out of his mouth. He has admitted that he is corrupt and that he buys politicians. The guy reeks of authoritarianism. He's not conservative. He's not a small government Republican. He's not prepared. He's a know-nothing. He has no core. He has no true beliefs. His beliefs are based on one sole guiding light and that is self-advancement. He doesn't give a $hit about you. He is a rich guy who looks at his life and thinks to himself Power. How can he obtain Power? That's it.

 

You guys have been duped.

 

This question is a byproduct of bastardizing the immigration debate. Anytime anyone brings up immigration reform on the right, the stock response is that the person must favor illegal immigration. The point that the conservative supporters of immigration reform have been making for over a decade is that US immigration policy hasn't been updated in 25 years. And in this case whenever the natural laws of supply & demand break down, a black market develops, which is why illegal immigration skyrocketed.

 

You're looking at the symptom, not the cause.

 

Exactly! Any conservative who actually looks to try to address the issue is seen as a "traitor". As a friend of the "invaders".

 

 

Personally, I think you're confusing bigotry with nationalism - though I'll admit they're closely related.

 

But nationalism is is making a sweeping comeback in the world, much more so than mere bigotry.

 

Yes, they aren't the same thing, but they are damn near synonymous with one another.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

You guys have been duped.

 

I don't think anyone's been duped. My sister is no bigot, but she's voting for trump. Why? "Because no vote or a vote for anyone else is a vote for Hillary."

 

She has a point.

 

I'm still not going to vote for Trump, and I'd sooner snip off my ear with garden shears than vote for Hillary. But not voting for Trump is indeed a vote for a woman who could be the most crooked politician to run for president in 90 years.

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

The Republican party (or the straphangers that latched on to it, in this election) already did that in the primaries.

 

The BEST thing that can happen to the Republican party is that Trump gets elected, and the Republicans are forced to disown his Oompa-Loompa ass when they realize he's screwing everybody over equally.

 

 

I disagree.

 

Trump losing the election, while garnering little support from traditional Republicans, true conservatives, and libertarians will speak as a rejection of fasco-Nationalist Big Government as the guiding light of the Party.

 

The Party will be forced into some serious soul searching, and will likely fracture; but it will reinvent itself into something far more representative of the American population, such that it doesn't have to deal with another Trump-like specter for a good long while.

[Doc]

I disagree.

 

Trump losing the election, while garnering little support from traditional Republicans, true conservatives, and libertarians will speak as a rejection of fasco-Nationalist Big Government as the guiding light of the Party.

 

The Party will be forced into some serious soul searching, and will likely fracture; but it will reinvent itself into something far more representative of the American population, such that it doesn't have to deal with another Trump-like specter for a good long while.

 

Sure it will.