DC Tom Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Donald Trumps Plan to Bar Foreign Muslims Might Survive a Lawsuit Under a provision of immigration law, Congress has already delegated to the president broad power to issue a proclamation indefinitely blocking the entry of any class of aliens into the United States that he or she thinks would be detrimental to the interests of the United States. No president has ever used that power in such a sweeping way, but the text provides a potential statutory basis for a President Trump to carry out his plan, specialists said. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/us/politics/donald-trumps-plan-to-bar-foreign-muslims-might-survive-a-lawsuit.html?referer=https://news.google.com/ Representative democracy? What's that? Hooray for authoritarianism!
3rdnlng Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Donald Trumps Plan to Bar Foreign Muslims Might Survive a Lawsuit Under a provision of immigration law, Congress has already delegated to the president broad power to issue a proclamation indefinitely blocking the entry of any class of aliens into the United States that he or she thinks would be detrimental to the interests of the United States. No president has ever used that power in such a sweeping way, but the text provides a potential statutory basis for a President Trump to carry out his plan, specialists said. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/us/politics/donald-trumps-plan-to-bar-foreign-muslims-might-survive-a-lawsuit.html?referer=https://news.google.com/ Seems like I read somewhere earlier in this thread where Jimmy Carter did just that with respect to Iranians.
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Prez. Trump will implement said plan... And there will be another shooting, come from within and many will go into fetal position.
Ozymandius Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TrumpIsDisqualifiedParty&src=tyah http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-prez-trump-disqualified-party-twitter-20151208-htmlstory.html Twitter celebrates #TrumpisDisqualifiedParty, is crushed to discover it's not real
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Representative democracy? What's that? Hooray for authoritarianism! News flash: we've been living under executive and judicial fiat the past 8 years. Representative democracy is a lie
Nanker Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 So will Trump institute a Border Bacon test? New applicants will have to eat some bacon or be sent back. Sorry, no vegetarians either - or Jews for that matter. Hey, maybe JTSP could get behind that.
ALF Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) It looks like Trump is going all out to get Hillary elected by a landslide , and I don't like either Clinton. This reminds me of George Wallace running for president. Edited December 9, 2015 by ALF
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Has anyone who is commenting heard his full quotes in context or are you basing your opinion based on media and pundit reactions to what he said? Edited December 9, 2015 by drinkTHEkoolaid
TH3 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 We need to go to near zero immigration, fix the shortcomings and resume once things are fixed. That's what I would do. Run it the way a good business would run it. ****, if Obama and Jeh Jeh showed up at a meeting in a real company and reported over and over to their superiors anything that resembles our immigration system they would be escorted to the parking lot. Do you actually know how immigration is handled these days? Can you identify the shortcomings? Do you have any data to better back up your statements and come to some proposals?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Do you actually know how immigration is handled these days? Can you identify the shortcomings? Do you have any data to better back up your statements and come to some proposals? Here's how immigration is handled these days: Wander across the Rio Grande. Stay. Get licenses, health insurance, and free education for children.
GG Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 We need to go to near zero immigration, fix the shortcomings and resume once things are fixed. That's what I would do. Run it the way a good business would run it. Let's apply a real estate developer's analogy. Let's say one of your steel contractors can't meet the necessary specifications. He and you know the issue but it will take some time to fix. Will your response be to halt all steel deliveries until you figure something out, or do you continue working with other contractors who don't have that issue?
Observer Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Seems like I read somewhere earlier in this thread where Jimmy Carter did just that with respect to Iranians. A bit different to deny entry of citizens of a country vs members of a religion. But no one is letting that get in the way of a bad analogy. Edited December 9, 2015 by Observer
FireChan Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) A bit different to deny entry of citizens of a country vs members of a religion. But no one is letting that get in the way of a bad analogy. How? Edited December 9, 2015 by FireChan
B-Man Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 How? None All Iranians were banned, even though all were not terrorists. Trump proposes banning all Muslims, even though the majority are not terrorists. .
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 How? We have national and international agreements and laws governing relationships between countries. We don't have national and international agreements laws governing relationships between countries and religions. By way of a simple example: the US and Jordan have some sort of arrangement to issue visas to each others' citizens. The US and Islam do not.
birdog1960 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 how bout this analogy: repugs failure to convincingly denounce trump is akin to muslim leaders failure to convincingly denounce extremist groups that call themselves muslims.
keepthefaith Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Let's apply a real estate developer's analogy. Let's say one of your steel contractors can't meet the necessary specifications. He and you know the issue but it will take some time to fix. Will your response be to halt all steel deliveries until you figure something out, or do you continue working with other contractors who don't have that issue? That is a terrible and meaningless analogy. Immigration is not a project. It is a process of granting rights requested by non-citizens. It is our country extending a hand to people. It has been a good thing for this country historically but there are too many abuses and risks of late and citizens are being harmed in more ways than one.
GG Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 That is a terrible and meaningless analogy. Immigration is not a project. It is a process of granting rights requested by non-citizens. It is our country extending a hand to people. It has been a good thing for this country historically but there are too many abuses and risks of late and citizens are being harmed in more ways than one. Fine & dandy, except he wasn't talking about immigration, but total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States
meazza Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 how bout this analogy: repugs failure to convincingly denounce trump is akin to muslim leaders failure to convincingly denounce extremist groups that call themselves muslims. Well they pressed the denounce button in the diplomacy panel but I guess that`s not enough for you.
B-Man Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 how bout this analogy: repugs failure to convincingly denounce trump is akin to muslim leaders failure to convincingly denounce extremist groups that call themselves muslims. It fails. Because Republicans leaders across the board have condemned the proposal. But don't let that get in the way of your bias (convincingly)
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