Ozymandius Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 We've never attempted deporting people back to Africa, either. Of the two solutions, mine actually has a chance of lowering gun violence rates in this country. Well, have to give it to you, this is the first honest counter-argument — just plain old-fashioned racism. It's going out of style, just like the attitudes of most of the old baby boomer white men that populate this board. How do we "improve" gun control, LA? As an aside, what is your position on marijuana legalization? What is gun control to you? Bullet points would be nice. Aaaaaaaaaaaand GO! As much as I appreciate the attention, this is not about me specifically. My goal in this situation is purposefully broad in an effort to reach agreement, even if its tenuous. I'm not going to take the bait of offering my solutions so you can be like "psssh" and dismiss them and go back to feeling like you're right because you out-shouted me on the Internet. A LOT OF PEOPLE are calling for stronger gun restrictions. I am not the only person wanting this change. I would at the moment settle for additional research and consideration instead of such entrenched positions of "IT'LL NEVER WORK!" I've said this multiple times already but I think if people largely agree guns are a problem and there are possible solutions, then we'll get there. Admitting the problem is the first step. You guys still refuse to admit guns are a problem. Instead, I think you should just consider the point. Just go do some reading that you might not otherwise do. Here's some reading to consider the enormity of the problem and the obstacles in place. What can be done about it? Nothing? All possible preventive measures are stupid? http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/06/charleston-and-public-policy http://www.bustle.com/articles/127272-california-has-the-toughest-gun-control-in-the-country-and-that-might-be-exactly-the-point http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1 Here's your response: "HAW!! See, tolja, he ain't got no solutions. Just another wacko libtard idiot. Pay him no attention." But then again that's your response to everything. Try curiosity for a change. Oh and BTW I just want to point out the LA Grant referred to guns as: Portable Death Machines. Carry on. Careful observers will notice I am sometimes intentionally funny even in the midst of argument. I appreciate someone pointing this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Oh and BTW I just want to point out the LA Grant referred to guns as: Portable Death Machines. Carry on. Was he referring to the AK-47s or the SUV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Just checking....are Tom and the NRA still responsible now that we know it was a coordinated Islamic terrorist attack? Or do I need to address this in the terrorism thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 However guys with little tiny penises and monsters under the bed will fight even those types of limitations, which are just common sense. I never bought into the concept posted by others here that you have the mental capacity of a fourth grader, but then you have to go ahead and prove them right with childish idiocy like this. Is it any wonder you gravitate towards someone like LA Grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Well, have to give it to you, this is the first honest counter-argument — just plain old-fashioned racism. It's going out of style, just like the attitudes of most of the old baby boomer white men that populate this board. As much as I appreciate the attention, this is not about me specifically. My goal in this situation is purposefully broad in an effort to reach agreement, even if its tenuous. I'm not going to take the bait of offering my solutions so you can be like "psssh" and dismiss them and go back to feeling like you're right because you out-shouted me on the Internet. A LOT OF PEOPLE are calling for stronger gun restrictions. I am not the only person wanting this change. I would at the moment settle for additional research and consideration instead of such entrenched positions of "IT'LL NEVER WORK!" I've said this multiple times already but I think if people largely agree guns are a problem and there are possible solutions, then we'll get there. Admitting the problem is the first step. You guys still refuse to admit guns are a problem. Instead, I think you should just consider the point. Just go do some reading that you might not otherwise do. Here's some reading to consider the enormity of the problem and the obstacles in place. What can be done about it? Nothing? All possible preventive measures are stupid? http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/06/charleston-and-public-policy http://www.bustle.com/articles/127272-california-has-the-toughest-gun-control-in-the-country-and-that-might-be-exactly-the-point http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1 Here's your response: "HAW!! See, tolja, he ain't got no solutions. Just another wacko libtard idiot. Pay him no attention." But then again that's your response to everything. Try curiosity for a change. Nope. You've gotten that 100% wrong. I've never ever referred to anyone as a libtard. Nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Just checking....are Tom and the NRA still responsible now that we know it was a coordinated Islamic terrorist attack? Or do I need to address this in the terrorism thread? I think we need to outlaw plumbing supplies because pipe bombs were found. Maybe that's ISIS goal? Move everyone back to the 7th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) I would like someone to tell me what law is NOT on the books in California that would have kept this couple from buying their guns. We'll wait. Edited December 3, 2015 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Well, have to give it to you, this is the first honest counter-argument — just plain old-fashioned racism. It's going out of style, just like the attitudes of most of the old baby boomer white men that populate this board. As much as I appreciate the attention, this is not about me specifically. My goal in this situation is purposefully broad in an effort to reach agreement, even if its tenuous. I'm not going to take the bait of offering my solutions so you can be like "psssh" and dismiss them and go back to feeling like you're right because you out-shouted me on the Internet. A LOT OF PEOPLE are calling for stronger gun restrictions. I am not the only person wanting this change. I would at the moment settle for additional research and consideration instead of such entrenched positions of "IT'LL NEVER WORK!" I've said this multiple times already but I think if people largely agree guns are a problem and there are possible solutions, then we'll get there. Admitting the problem is the first step. You guys still refuse to admit guns are a problem. Instead, I think you should just consider the point. Just go do some reading that you might not otherwise do. Here's some reading to consider the enormity of the problem and the obstacles in place. What can be done about it? Nothing? All possible preventive measures are stupid? http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/06/charleston-and-public-policy http://www.bustle.com/articles/127272-california-has-the-toughest-gun-control-in-the-country-and-that-might-be-exactly-the-point http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1 Here's your response: "HAW!! See, tolja, he ain't got no solutions. Just another wacko libtard idiot. Pay him no attention." But then again that's your response to everything. Try curiosity for a change. Careful observers will notice I am sometimes intentionally funny even in the midst of argument. I appreciate someone pointing this out. If you don't offer solutions and how you'd implement them in US, why bother? You keep repeating yourself over and over. Just because there are like-minded individuals who believe gun violence sucks, doesn't mean they have any realistic way to curb it. If you have a solution, present it. Let's talk about it. Let's discuss its merits, and its flaws. You aren't engaging in intelligent discourse, you're proselytizing. You don't want to formulate an argument or change someone's mind with a rational, logical argument, rather convert folks to scream at the top of their lungs that something must be done, even if no one knows what that something is. You want mindless drones who have no thoughts other than non-productive outrage. You are a contributor to some of the biggest problems in the West today. Edited December 3, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It's going out of style, just like the attitudes of most of the old baby boomer white men that populate this board. Must be why our country is on such an upswing lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Oh come on, you would be ok with us having the same gun laws as most European countries? Sure. Let's go with Switzerland's laws: they give semi-automatic rifles to people. Or maybe, just maybe, it's not as simple as "Let's do what somebody else does!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Oh come on, you would be ok with us having the same gun laws as most European countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Or maybe, just maybe, it's not as simple as "Let's do what somebody else does!" How else will little thoughts get inside gator's head then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I think we need to outlaw plumbing supplies because pipe bombs were found. Maybe that's ISIS goal? Move everyone back to the 7th century. Probably not. They had indoor plumbing back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Sure. Let's go with Switzerland's laws: they give semi-automatic rifles to people. Or maybe, just maybe, it's not as simple as "Let's do what somebody else does!" They also provide training before they give them out, an important distinction! Not any fool can get one like in our country. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 They also provide training before they give them out, an important distinction! Not any fool can get one like in our country. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp If only the killers yesterday were better trained, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 They also provide training before they give them out, an important distinction! Not any fool can get one like in our country. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp So the problem with gun violence is the use of the gun and not the person using the gun? Are you saying the people yesterday should have been better trained so they would have been more effective in their mission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 If only the killers yesterday were better trained, huh? So the problem with gun violence is the use of the gun and not the person using the gun? Are you saying the people yesterday should have been better trained so they would have been more effective in their mission? Hahaha, knew this was coming. I would say that it seems like we may agree that not everyone should have a gun. Crazy idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 They also provide training before they give them out, an important distinction! Not any fool can get one like in our country. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp Because mental illness and fanaticism are all but eliminated with proper training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Probably not. They had indoor plumbing back then. Not according to history as told by Mel Brooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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