Blood is on the NRA's hands

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

No, conservatives counter the gun control freaks who want stricter laws with pointing out that Chicago has very strict gun laws and has a plethora of shootings.

It's an example that should be very near and dear to Obama but he doesn't care because he can't use it to push his agenda

[Nanker]

Just last month more guns were sold and background checks completed in 1 day than any other day in history. Gun and ammo sales are still climbing.

 

I can see their next step somewhere down the road trying to ban all semi automatic weapons for private citizens.

Nearly any hand gun and shotgun could be classified as a semi auto. That's crazy. Maybe I'll get my FFL after all.

[B-Man]

Virginia Attorney General Unilaterally Revokes Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity with 25 States

 

Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring (D) has announced that Virginia will no longer honor reciprocity agreements on concealed carry permits with 25 of the 30 states it currently recognizes. The practical effect of this move is that your Virginia concealed carry permit used to be good in 31 states, and now it’s good in 6. Of the 6 states that remain, only West Virginia is even close to Virginia.

 

{snip}

 

Prior to Mark Herring’s decision, Virginia was one of those states who participated in these reciprocity agreements, so that Virginia gun owners could travel throughout most of the country legally with their weapons. But the effect of cancelling these reciprocity agreements goes both ways, so that not only can out-of-staters no longer carry their guns into Virginia, but Virginians can’t carry their guns out of state.

 

I think it goes without saying that if you are going to take the trouble to go through getting your concealed carry permit, you are a conscientious, law abiding gun owner. What Herring has done has not made the people of Virginia any safer, it has merely made it more difficult for people who want to exercise their Second Amendment rights in accordance with the law more difficult. Which of course is exactly the point.

 

Note that this action was taken unilaterally and without the Virginia legislature.

 

 

http://www.redstate.com/2015/12/22/virginia-attorney-general-unilaterally-revokes-concealed-carry-permit-reciprocity-25-states/

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

Nearly any hand gun and shotgun could be classified as a semi auto. That's crazy. Maybe I'll get my FFL after all.

My thinking is that ny wants to ban semi automatic weapons and/or detachable magazines for private citizens and they are just waiting for another crisis to ram safe act2 through.

 

I can hear Cuomo now yelling into a microphone and pointing at everyone "nooo onnne needs semi automatic guns to killh a deehr, we need to stop the madness".

 

I think once NY tries to push that then other liberal states or the feds (of Clinton wins) will trip over themselves to be next in line to follow NYs gun control laws.

 

Its all part of their agenda. They are going to continue to progressively and steadily erode more of our constitutional rights in incremental steps.

 

Get ready to have to register your ruger 10/22s as assault weapons with the state.

 

I was looking into buying a high point 9mm carbine, unfortunately under NY Law you can no longer buy them (along with many other weapons). For those who don't know what they are, picture a typical pistol, with a fixed rifle stock and an 18inch barrel that shoots 9mm pistol ammo in a 10 round magazine. Hardly an assault weapon but under NY safe functionality and capability are irrelevant. It is ideally suited for hunting small game, target shooting or perhaps home defense.

 

The steady errosion of the 2nd ammendment carries on.

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Virginia Attorney General Unilaterally Revokes Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity with 25 States

 

 

Note that this action was taken unilaterally and without the Virginia legislature.

 

Legislature schegislature

 

 

I was looking into buying a high point 9mm carbine, unfortunately under NY Law you can no longer buy them (along with many other weapons). For those who don't know what they are, picture a typical pistol, with a fixed rifle stock and an 18inch barrel that shoots 9mm pistol ammo in a 10 round magazine. Hardly an assault weapon but under NY safe functionality and capability are irrelevant. It is ideally suited for hunting small game, target shooting or perhaps home defense.

Skip the Hi-Point and spend a few extra bucks for the Beretta Storm carbine

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/cx4-storm/

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

Legislature schegislature

 

 

Skip the Hi-Point and spend a few extra bucks for the Beretta Storm carbine

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/cx4-storm/

Illegal in NY courtesy of NYsafe

[DC Tom]

Legislature schegislature

 

 

The legislature already ruled. VA law only allows reciprocity with state who's concealed carry requirements meet VA standards. The AG revoked the reciprocity for the ones that didn't.

Illegal in NY courtesy of NYsafe

 

Is NY's measure of "illegal" that it looks scary?

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

 

The legislature already ruled. VA law only allows reciprocity with state who's concealed carry requirements meet VA standards. The AG revoked the reciprocity for the ones that didn't.

 

 

Is NY's measure of "illegal" that it looks scary?

Basically....yes

 

If a rifle has a pistol grip and can accept detachable magazines it's an assault weapon. Functionality be damned.

 

The irony, is some clever capitalists created a new lower receiver for AR15s where the pistol grip is shaped into a more traditional rifle grip and acts as a fixed stock. Same gun, same capability but it circumvents their scary "pistol grip" feature. God help you if your gun has a bayonet lug, flash hider, muzzle break or vertical foregrip....

[DC Tom]

Basically....yes

 

If a rifle has a pistol grip and can accept detachable magazines it's an assault weapon. Functionality be damned.

 

The irony, is some clever capitalists created a new lower receiver for AR15s where the pistol grip is shaped into a more traditional rifle grip and acts as a fixed stock. Same gun, same capability but it circumvents their scary "pistol grip" feature. God help you if your gun has a bayonet lug, flash hider, muzzle break or vertical foregrip....

 

I love the whole "bayonet lug" thing. It's useless unless you have an actual bayonet.

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

 

I love the whole "bayonet lug" thing. It's useless unless you have an actual bayonet.

The funniest part, a Russian SKS with an attached bayonet is actually legal, provided it has the original internal magazine with stripper clips and has not been converted to accept detachable magazines. Because it doesn't have a pistol grip.

 

Lol That's the "genius" behind the NYsafe act.

[Nanker]

Got this message from my gun club's secretary yesterday. Seems as though the People's Republic of New Jersey is loosening up:

 

Permitting Delays and Illegal Conditions - Addressed!
"Reasonable Deviations" in Transportation - Addressed!
"Justifiable Need" for Right to Carry - Improved!

 

ANJRPC Explicitly Acknowledged in Commission Report

Please Call or Email to Thank Governor Christie

This afternoon, Governor Chris Christie's study commission on New Jersey firearms permitting issued a series of recommended executive actions addressing several egregious issues that have plagued law-abiding gun owners for decades - and Governor Christie has already accepted the recommendations!

The proposed executive actions address three general areas: (1) ending the outrageous delays and illegal conditions imposed by bureaucrats in the issuance of firearms permits, (2) clarifying the meaning of "reasonably necessary deviations" in the transportation of firearms by law-abiding citizens, and (3) incrementally expanding and clarifying the meaning of "justifiable need" for the issuance of handgun carry permits. Executive actions cannot rewrite laws passed by the legislature or ruled on by the courts, but they can address problems within the executive branch of government, and they can clarify unclear areas of the law.

"We welcome Governor Christie's acceptance of these historic recommendations and thank the Governor for taking unprecedented action in support of Second Amendment rights," said ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach. "When fully implemented, these executive actions will make a real difference in the lives of law-abiding gun owners, without compromising the Governor's tough record going after violent criminals."

The Governor's press release announcing the development is available here. A fact sheet from the Governor is available here. And the Commission report itself is available here.

While a detailed review of the findings of the Governor's commission is currently under way, following is our preliminary analysis:
ENDING PERMITTING ABUSES
Garden State gun owners have suffered longstanding, widespread abuses in the issuance of firearms permits, including outrageous delays beyond the legally mandated 30-day deadline, and the imposition of unlawful conditions on the issuance of permits, like requiring employer consent, spousal notification, and dozens of other unauthorized requirements.
ANJRPC's Permitting StrikeForce (led by attorney Dan Schmutter) was formed in 2014 to systematically address these issues town-by-town among New Jersey's 565 municipalities and police barracks that issue permits. Significant progress has been made, and we are currently engaged in discussions with approximately 180 towns, but the new recommendations will greatly accelerate the process.
The Commission calls for action by the Attorney General to clarify and enforce existing law regarding firearms permitting throughout all of New Jersey's permitting authorities.
Page 6 of the commission report mentions ANJRPC by name, stating "the commission has been provided with scores of contemporaneous complaints from permit applicants submitted to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, describing delays, many of them lengthy delays, in the processing of their permits in approximately 100 different jurisdictions."
CLARIFYING "REASONABLE DEVIATIONS"
IN FIREARMS TRANSPORTATION
State law generally requires that transportation of certain firearms be "direct" between authorized points in order for possession to be legal, except for "reasonably necessary deviations" - a term not defined by state law.
For decades, honest gun owners have faced the threat of prosecution for unlawful handgun possession (a crime carrying up to ten years in prison) if a stop between authorized points was not deemed a reasonable deviation in transportation. Many law-abiding citizens have been turned into criminals by this absurd law, and there is a patchwork of conflicting interpretations from town to town regarding what is considered "reasonable."
The Commission calls for the Attorney General to clarify and provide uniform statewide guidance as to the most common stops made by law-abiding citizens that are to be deemed "reasonably necessary deviations" in transportation.
AN INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENT IN "JUSTIFIABLE NEED"

 

FOR HANDGUN CARRY PERMITS
The right to defend yourself with a firearm outside the home, otherwise known as right to carry, has long been disparaged by the Garden State, and it is nearly impossible for gun owners to qualify for a carry permit due to the state's absurdly restrictive "justifiable need" standard, which currently requires proof of actual threats or prior attacks, among other things. ANJRPC challenged that standard in a significant piece of litigation several years ago, but unfortunately the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case.
The executive branch of government is constrained by state law and court opinions interpreting justifiable need and cannot simply ignore the other branches of government and rewrite the standard. However, incremental improvement of the standard is possible and enforceable if it does not conflict with existing interpretation.
The Commission has recommended just such an incremental improvement. While the Commission report is still being analyzed, gun rights attorney and ANJRPC legal affairs Chairman Evan Nappen has reviewed the proposal, and offered the following preliminary thoughts:
"The Governor's action would improve justifiable need by allowing the demonstration of urgent necessity to be met by 'serious threats', as opposed to just 'specific threats and previous attacks.' It further adds a standard of reasonableness to the requirement that the threat cannot be avoided by means other than carrying a handgun. It opens the door to many qualified individuals getting a carry permit who otherwise would be denied."
Please watch for additional alerts and analysis of this major breaking development.
In the meanwhile, please contact Governor Christie, thank him for these unprecedented executive actions, and ask him to implement them to the fullest extent possible.

Contact the Governor by Email: Click here then select "Law and Public Safety" on the drop-down menu and click "submit." Then select "Miscellaneous Public Safety on the second drop-down menu, provide your contact information, and click "send your message."

Contact the Governor by Mail or Phone:
Office of the Governor
PO Box 001
Trenton, NJ 08625
609-292-6000
_________________________________________________________

The Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs
is the official NRA state affiliate in the Garden State

[keepthefaith]

The funniest part, a Russian SKS with an attached bayonet is actually legal, provided it has the original internal magazine with stripper clips and has not been converted to accept detachable magazines. Because it doesn't have a pistol grip.

 

Lol That's the "genius" behind the NYsafe act.

If you stab someone with that is it considered gun violence?

[Maury Ballstein]

Virginia Attorney General Unilaterally Revokes Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity with 25 States

 

Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring (D) has announced that Virginia will no longer honor reciprocity agreements on concealed carry permits with 25 of the 30 states it currently recognizes. The practical effect of this move is that your Virginia concealed carry permit used to be good in 31 states, and now its good in 6. Of the 6 states that remain, only West Virginia is even close to Virginia.

 

{snip}

 

Prior to Mark Herrings decision, Virginia was one of those states who participated in these reciprocity agreements, so that Virginia gun owners could travel throughout most of the country legally with their weapons. But the effect of cancelling these reciprocity agreements goes both ways, so that not only can out-of-staters no longer carry their guns into Virginia, but Virginians cant carry their guns out of state.

 

I think it goes without saying that if you are going to take the trouble to go through getting your concealed carry permit, you are a conscientious, law abiding gun owner. What Herring has done has not made the people of Virginia any safer, it has merely made it more difficult for people who want to exercise their Second Amendment rights in accordance with the law more difficult. Which of course is exactly the point.

 

Note that this action was taken unilaterally and without the Virginia legislature.

 

 

http://www.redstate.com/2015/12/22/virginia-attorney-general-unilaterally-revokes-concealed-carry-permit-reciprocity-25-states/

Solid, make the high population of active duty military in VA from other states jump through hoops. Edited December 23, 2015 by Ryan L Billz

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Solid, make the high population of active duty military in VA from other states jump through hoops.

Active duty military and their spouses, with a duty station in the Commonwealth are granted the same rights as citizens of the Commonwealth. So they are eligible to apply for a Virginia Concealed Carry. As well as purchase an "Assault Rifle"

[B-Man]

Obama urged citizens to stand up against the groups like the NRA http://politi.co/1MKZDxX

 

 

The NRA *IS* Citizens.................you putz,

 

"Stand up" another meaningless term like "common sense", "comprehensive", and "gun control". The Left is full of them.

 

 

Unlike Obamacare, the NRA doesn't force anyone to join

 

Imagine: "Obama urged citizens to stand up against groups like the ACLU."

 

 

 

 

 

“President Obama is preparing to unleash a wave of new regulations in 2016 as he looks to shore up his legacy on public protection issues during his final year in office.”

 

President Barack Obama is expected to take executive action on gun control, possibly as soon as next week, according to gun control advocates.

The specifics of Obama’s executive order are still unknown as the plan is still not finished, CNN reported.

 

 

CIVIL RIGHTS UPDATE: Washington state top court: some knives are likely constitutionally protected ‘arms,’ but paring knives aren’t.

[DC Tom]

“President Obama is preparing to unleash a wave of new regulations in 2016 as he looks to shore up his legacy on public protection issues during his final year in office.”

 

Two of which involve the CFPB.

 

The CFPB is one of the most !@#$ed-up creations in Washington. The damage they're doing to the real estate industry, in confusing "administration" with "enforcement," is unbelievable.

[Alaska Darin]

Constitution, schmonstitution.

 

!@#$ I hate Democrats and Republicans and the shitheaded courts that refuse to put an end to this horse crap.

[B-Man]

cnn.com/2016/01/03/politics/barack-obama-guns-town-hall/index.html … pic.twitter.com/gLj6I2IEvR

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Alternate Headline:

"Obama begins 2016 with bid to break all previous gun sales records!"

I wonder who CNN will invite to be in the town hall audience to debate Obama on gun control?

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

Well...maybe time to buy stock in 1 of the 2 publicly traded arms manufacturers. Anyone have any info or tips on strum ruger vs. Smith and Wesson? Which is the better play?

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Well...maybe time to buy stock in 1 of the 2 publicly traded arms manufacturers. Anyone have any info or tips on strum ruger vs. Smith and Wesson? Which is the better play?

Asking for stock tips on a message board is like asking if one should buy an M&P or SR