Blood is on the NRA's hands

[LA Grant]

Another day, another mass shooting. What will it take for this country to recognize it has a gun problem? It's going to take people who hate admitting they're wrong to admit they may be wrong about gun control.

 

Obviously I never post in this subforum, I've checked enough times to know it's little more than an echo chamber for conservative talk radio points. DC Tom, LABillzFan, and the other thought leaders here slap each other on the back and never have to consider they may be wrong. Well, conservatives do an admirable job of stubbornly ignoring reality. I'll grant you that in general I think people only preach to the choir so I'm going to go against the grain and try to communicate to NRA sympathizers here.

 

That's why I'm going to be blunt and straight to the point. If this post gets taken down or banned because I'm clearly posting when I'm angry, so be it.

 

If you're an NRA supporter: these shootings are on YOU. That's right, you are implicit. Your actions are partly responsible for these tragedies. Your selfish, delusional, ignorant fantasies of being a cowboy hero have led to this current reality of America where mass shootings are becoming a daily occurrence. You are part of the problem that prevents gun legislation. And since there is no foreseeable opportunity for legislation and an end to the madness, at the very least, you should feel bad and consider changing your stupid views.

 

This year alone, there have been more mass shootings than days in the year. These are not "isolated incidents" like the NRA likes to pretend. You need to take a long look in the mirror and realize how badly your attitudes affect the rest of the country. It's absurd how easily accessible weapons are available to psychopaths. Who's to blame for that?

 

...

 

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Easily the dumbest defense. Guns kill people. None of these mass murders happen without the ease of guns.

 

"If we outlawed guns, criminals would find a way to get them anyway."

So instead let's make it easier for "them" to get them by having them widely available? How's that working out? The reality is, because gun manufacturers have made SO MANY of these portable death machines, OBVIOUSLY they will not go away overnight. But legislation is the first step; rooting them out is the second step. It's like saying that because withdrawals are bad, you should just keep doing heroin forever.

 

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Where are all the good guys with guns then? You guys have been asleep at the wheel if you're supposed to be the ones preventing these. Nevermind that this quip doesn't sync up with reality at all; the amount of times a shooter has been stopped by an armed civilian have been so few that it's little more than an anomaly. Stats show it's far more likely that having a gun in your home makes it more likely for a gun death to occur in the home than it being used in a "positive" way, but I'm sure Obama just made up those stats to scare you, though.

 

"It's a mental health issue."

Hey good point, social services should be expanded in this country. Unfortunately that would mean higher taxes! Well, we know which segment of the population will be blocking any efforts to improve this then. Even if we did somehow improve access to mental health — which won't happen — the first realization people would come to would be "oh well obviously we should get rid of guns, that's an easy one."

 

"The government fears armed citizens!"

So incredibly delusional. The government taps all your communication, engages in drone warfare on a regular basis, etc. etc., but they're afraid of your sidearm? Get over yourself.

 

"It's for protection!"

It's for your absurd fantasies. Protect you from what, home invasion? Sorry, that's not nearly good enough of a justification. Guns are overwhelmingly used to attack, not defend. And your possessions are meaningless. Nobody wants to steal your DVD-VCR combo.

 

"But the shooting today happened in California, which has stronger gun laws! See? Gun laws don't work!"

The laws are not strong enough anywhere. Waiting periods, background checks, written tests. It's not enough. We need to get there on a nation-wide level because gun sales are still through the roof at gun shows and still pass state borders mostly with impunity.

 

"Way to politicize a tragedy."

If we can't talk about this now, then when? When it happens to someone you know?

 

"But I like hunting!"

At least this one is honest. The reality is your hobby sucks. If your daddy got you into hunting and that's how you bonded, your daddy sucks. Hunt with a bow & arrow, or a knife, or even a musket if you want. Go ahead and keep the muskets.

 

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If you're an NRA member and you read all this, you're probably pissed and looking to score points by somehow proving me wrong. Go ahead and shoot the messenger, I don't care. Call me whatever names you want, like that makes what I'm saying not true.

 

Maybe in time you'll consider that these tragedies are preventable and that we need to at least "TRY" reducing access to guns. That does not happen until the NRA has less power in our government. And that doesn't happen until their base starts to turn on them; until gun sales stop GOING UP whenever there's a mass shooting. That's why I'm reaching out.

 

The NRA needs to be recognized for what it is — an enabler of terrorism. We need to stop dancing around this hard truth just because we've been living the lie for so long. White male sociopaths with guns are terrorists, plain and simple.

 

If you're a gun owner, if you're one of the fools that buys into the NRA rhetoric so they can keep making money off of your delusional and fearful fantasies, the best way to send your "thoughts and prayers" to the victims of these shootings would be to take your gun and shoot yourself. Go ahead and do it today, even. At least then the blood on your hands can be your own.

[keepthefaith]

OK, what is the solution and which of the recent mass shootings would have been prevented had we implemented what you propose?

[Ozymandius]

Muslims are the problem.

 

This was ISIS, dude.

[GG]

Did the NRA supply the pipe bombs?

Edited December 3, 2015 by GG

[DC Tom]

Another day, another mass shooting. What will it take for this country to recognize it has a gun problem? It's going to take people who hate admitting they're wrong to admit they may be wrong about gun control.

 

Obviously I never post in this subforum, I've checked enough times to know it's little more than an echo chamber for conservative talk radio points. DC Tom, LABillzFan, and the other thought leaders here slap each other on the back and never have to consider they may be wrong. Well, conservatives do an admirable job of stubbornly ignoring reality. I'll grant you that in general I think people only preach to the choir so I'm going to go against the grain and try to communicate to NRA sympathizers here.

 

That's why I'm going to be blunt and straight to the point. If this post gets taken down or banned because I'm clearly posting when I'm angry, so be it.

 

If you're an NRA supporter: these shootings are on YOU. That's right, you are implicit. Your actions are partly responsible for these tragedies. Your selfish, delusional, ignorant fantasies of being a cowboy hero have led to this current reality of America where mass shootings are becoming a daily occurrence. You are part of the problem that prevents gun legislation. And since there is no foreseeable opportunity for legislation and an end to the madness, at the very least, you should feel bad and consider changing your stupid views.

 

This year alone, there have been more mass shootings than days in the year. These are not "isolated incidents" like the NRA likes to pretend. You need to take a long look in the mirror and realize how badly your attitudes affect the rest of the country. It's absurd how easily accessible weapons are available to psychopaths. Who's to blame for that?

 

...

 

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Easily the dumbest defense. Guns kill people. None of these mass murders happen without the ease of guns.

 

"If we outlawed guns, criminals would find a way to get them anyway."

So instead let's make it easier for "them" to get them by having them widely available? How's that working out? The reality is, because gun manufacturers have made SO MANY of these portable death machines, OBVIOUSLY they will not go away overnight. But legislation is the first step; rooting them out is the second step. It's like saying that because withdrawals are bad, you should just keep doing heroin forever.

 

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Where are all the good guys with guns then? You guys have been asleep at the wheel if you're supposed to be the ones preventing these. Nevermind that this quip doesn't sync up with reality at all; the amount of times a shooter has been stopped by an armed civilian have been so few that it's little more than an anomaly. Stats show it's far more likely that having a gun in your home makes it more likely for a gun death to occur in the home than it being used in a "positive" way, but I'm sure Obama just made up those stats to scare you, though.

 

"It's a mental health issue."

Hey good point, social services should be expanded in this country. Unfortunately that would mean higher taxes! Well, we know which segment of the population will be blocking any efforts to improve this then. Even if we did somehow improve access to mental health — which won't happen — the first realization people would come to would be "oh well obviously we should get rid of guns, that's an easy one."

 

"The government fears armed citizens!"

So incredibly delusional. The government taps all your communication, engages in drone warfare on a regular basis, etc. etc., but they're afraid of your sidearm? Get over yourself.

 

"It's for protection!"

It's for your absurd fantasies. Protect you from what, home invasion? Sorry, that's not nearly good enough of a justification. Guns are overwhelmingly used to attack, not defend. And your possessions are meaningless. Nobody wants to steal your DVD-VCR combo.

 

"But the shooting today happened in California, which has stronger gun laws! See? Gun laws don't work!"

The laws are not strong enough anywhere. Waiting periods, background checks, written tests. It's not enough. We need to get there on a nation-wide level because gun sales are still through the roof at gun shows and still pass state borders mostly with impunity.

 

"Way to politicize a tragedy."

If we can't talk about this now, then when? When it happens to someone you know?

 

"But I like hunting!"

At least this one is honest. The reality is your hobby sucks. If your daddy got you into hunting and that's how you bonded, your daddy sucks. Hunt with a bow & arrow, or a knife, or even a musket if you want. Go ahead and keep the muskets.

 

...

 

If you're an NRA member and you read all this, you're probably pissed and looking to score points by somehow proving me wrong. Go ahead and shoot the messenger, I don't care. Call me whatever names you want, like that makes what I'm saying not true.

 

Maybe in time you'll consider that these tragedies are preventable and that we need to at least "TRY" reducing access to guns. That does not happen until the NRA has less power in our government. And that doesn't happen until their base starts to turn on them; until gun sales stop GOING UP whenever there's a mass shooting. That's why I'm reaching out.

 

The NRA needs to be recognized for what it is — an enabler of terrorism. We need to stop dancing around this hard truth just because we've been living the lie for so long. White male sociopaths with guns are terrorists, plain and simple.

 

If you're a gun owner, if you're one of the fools that buys into the NRA rhetoric so they can keep making money off of your delusional and fearful fantasies, the best way to send your "thoughts and prayers" to the victims of these shootings would be to take your gun and shoot yourself. Go ahead and do it today, even. At least then the blood on your hands can be your own.

 

I'm sorry...did you just personally blame me for causing the NRA to cause people I don't know to kill people with guns that are already illegal?

 

Look, I know this is a difficult time for you, and that as someone who is developmentally disabled this has a deeply personal impact on you. But please try to remember: you're not unwelcome here because you're a liberal. You're unwelcome here because you're a completely irrational, childish little pants-wetting moron.

[LA Grant]

I'm sorry...did you just personally blame me for causing the NRA to cause people I don't know to kill people with guns that are already illegal?

 

Look, I know this is a difficult time for you, and that as someone who is developmentally disabled this has a deeply personal impact on you. But please try to remember: you're not unwelcome here because you're a liberal. You're unwelcome here because you're a completely irrational, childish little pants-wetting moron.

 

If you took away name-calling I'm not sure you'd have a vocabulary. You've already demonstrated poor reading comprehension over 50,000 times.

[GG]

 

If you took away name-calling I'm not sure you'd have a vocabulary. You've already demonstrated poor reading comprehension over 50,000 times.

 

How long have guns been around?

[B-Man]

This cannot be said enough. It’s sheer self-indulgence to pretend those who disagree with you on the law don’t care.

 

 

Your complete lack of self-awareness, is matched only by your smug self-righteousness.

[DC Tom]

If you took away name-calling I'm not sure you'd have a vocabulary. You've already demonstrated poor reading comprehension over 50,000 times.

You called me a conservative, and blamed me for mass shootings. That's such a wildly inaccurate characterization of me that you should worry about your own functional illiteracy before accusing anyone else.

 

And by the way...the rate of mass shootings this year is entirely normal, as is the fatality rate (low - most mass shootings don't result in poeple being killed.) I've read the article you pulled that from, AND I've checked the violent crime statistics from the FBI, so I know that article misrepresented the statistics to get pants-wetting children such as yourself all up in arms. So don't go throwing around that "There's been more than 300 mass shootings this year!" factotum when you don't know what it means.

This cannot be said enough. It’s sheer self-indulgence to pretend those who disagree with you on the law don’t care.

 

 

Your complete lack of self-awareness, is matched only by your smug self-righteousness.

And his ignorance.

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

"You're an idiot" sounds about right for the OP.

 

couldn't be a more ignorant over simplistic view of the world.

 

Ya sure it wasn't ISIS to blame?

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

You called me a conservative, and blamed me for mass shootings. That's such a wildly inaccurate characterization of me that you should worry about your own functional illiteracy before accusing anyone else.

 

And by the way...the rate of mass shootings this year is entirely normal, as is the fatality rate (low - most mass shootings don't result in poeple being killed.) I've read the article you pulled that from, AND I've checked the violent crime statistics from the FBI, so I know that article misrepresented the statistics to get pants-wetting children such as yourself all up in arms. So don't go throwing around that "There's been more than 300 mass shootings this year!" factotum when you don't know what it means.

 

And his ignorance.

Jeez I got suspended a week for calling a guy an idiot.

[GG]

Jeez I got suspended a week for calling a guy an idiot.

Was it here or on the main board?

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Was it here or on the main board?

Main

[Deranged Rhino]

Main

 

Less rules down here.

[B-Man]

 

Less rules down here.

 

 

I was going to tell him that.................................................................................................................you idiot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

 

Less rules down here.

I like the down here part.

 

 

I was going to tell him that.................................................................................................................you idiot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is way more fun here

[Deranged Rhino]

Apologies! I should know my place!

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

 

 

I was going to tell him that.................................................................................................................you idiot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My dad did start me hunting, he is therefore an idiot.

Apologies! I should know my place!

Deranged Rhino by Solomon Beeels Wilcots?

[DC Tom]

Jeez I got suspended a week for calling a guy an idiot.

To be specific, you got suspended for usurping my meme. I call people idiots and morons. Get your own shtick.

[LA Grant]

You called me a conservative, and blamed me for mass shootings. That's such a wildly inaccurate characterization of me that you should worry about your own functional illiteracy before accusing anyone else.

 

And by the way...the rate of mass shootings this year is entirely normal, as is the fatality rate (low - most mass shootings don't result in poeple being killed.) I've read the article you pulled that from, AND I've checked the violent crime statistics from the FBI, so I know that article misrepresented the statistics to get pants-wetting children such as yourself all up in arms. So don't go throwing around that "There's been more than 300 mass shootings this year!" factotum when you don't know what it means.

 

And his ignorance.

 

Wrong, I called you a thought leader. I place blame with the NRA and their supporters. I place blame with attitudes that allow support for the NRA. I think you are part of a number of factors that shape attitudes here, which is indisputably a conservative-leaning forum. The reason I included your name is to highlight the way you argue, which as you're demonstrating here, is to name-call, dismiss, ignore the larger point, and then proceed to arrogantly trout false information. If you've shown flexibility in considering your ability to be wrong, I haven't seen it (if it exists, include a link when you send the Christmas card so we can stay on topic).

 

Here's what over 300 mass shootings means: http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

 

It's all laid out very simply with references and links to local news articles about each event right there. I'm not sure specifically which FBI statistics you're referring to but I am imagining you may be quibbling over the word "mass"? That's my only guess because this is black and white. That or you're just trying to prove me wrong in some way so you don't have to reckon with the larger point. I can't imagine any reason you'd try to argue with a straight face that the rate of mass shootings this year is "normal" except that maybe you're a sociopath.