Webster Guy Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 The solution is simple. TAKE THE CHALLENGE JOB OUT OF THE HEAD COACH'S HANDS. The coach should simply be a dummy that is told to throw the flag or not. Hire an ex referee, ONE guy that knows how the rules are interpreted, give him a state of the art replay system with a tech geek for support, and he makes every replay decision from his command post in the replay room at 2 Bills Drive. The head coach has a million tactical and strategic calls to make during a game, replays should not be one of them. Furthermore, if it is a situation where our player can possibly assist our replay specialist in his decision to challenge or not, then that player will be on a headset immediately with our guy. ("Did you feel the ball move when it touched the ground? Do you know if your hand was completely under the ball? Etc.) In most situations this might not be necessary, but it might help. The replay guy decides, the coach does what he is told. The end.
Nihilarian Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) The head set issues. The penalties. Bad special teams with the same coach, and players that were pretty darn good last year The #4 overall defense from last year loaded with talent and drafted one of the best DB's in the 2nd round in now ranked 20th. The #1 team in sacks from last year is now 30th, and 30th in sack percentage, QB hurries. Dave Wanstedt, and George Edwards say Hi Rex! This team can still salvage the season at 5-6 with 5 games to go, and none look like easy games now. 10-6 or 9-7 or 8-8 or 7-9 or 6-10 or 5-11. My guess is towards the latter at 7-9 with little or no pressure on the opposing QB even Cassel will probably beat Buffalo. Houston @ Philly @ Wash Dallas Jets Edited December 1, 2015 by Nihilarian
Livinginthepast Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 The NFL needs an official in the booth watching what we see and call for a review from there. The game is moving too fast for the refs on the field to get it right every play, only slo mo close ups can get it right. This is exactly what should happen. All the plays should be reviewed real time by a guy in the booth who is part of the referee's team. The refs in the past few years have screwed up over and over again. The standard of officiating is just not good enough. They need a keen set of eyes up in the booth on every play and not this nonsense of a coach needing to challenge ! The rules need to be clarified to all the refs and training should be improved. They also need some accountability when issues happen,
Beerball Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 This is exactly what should happen. All the plays should be reviewed real time by a guy in the booth who is part of the referee's team. The refs in the past few years have screwed up over and over again. The standard of officiating is just not good enough. They need a keen set of eyes up in the booth on every play and not this nonsense of a coach needing to challenge ! The rules need to be clarified to all the refs and training should be improved. They also need some accountability when issues happen, Great, a 5 hour game.
Reed83HOF Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 It has NOTHING to do with continuity. Not one thing. It's about 20 million dollars left on his guaranteed contract. It's not even that; Terry can go drill another well... If they dump Rexy now, this team will be talked about a level of dysfunction that is reserved for Cleveland and Washington. The Pegs made their bed with the 5 year contract and they have to sleep in it for a couple more seasons. If the team loses out and wins 4 games next year - he'll be a goner. Problem is damage will already be done to our D (this offseason) so get ready for mini rebuild... Great, a 5 hour game. More time for commercials = increased revenue!
Livinginthepast Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Great, a 5 hour game. They review most plays automatically in College football already and the games are normal length.
YoloinOhio Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) This is exactly what should happen. All the plays should be reviewed real time by a guy in the booth who is part of the referee's team. The refs in the past few years have screwed up over and over again. The standard of officiating is just not good enough. They need a keen set of eyes up in the booth on every play and not this nonsense of a coach needing to challenge ! The rules need to be clarified to all the refs and training should be improved. They also need some accountability when issues happen,that is how they do it in college. It is so much more effective than NFL. Edited December 1, 2015 by YoloinOhio
BillsFan130 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Thing that pisses me off about rex is he says he is going to fix things but never does. After the new England game, "we will clean up our penalties I promise" not even close. After a certain game I can't remember he says we are going to simplify our defence and let the front four attack. Last game, Dareus is in coverage on multiple occasions that results in touchdowns. He is a man of empty promises, just like he said we are going to the playoffs
Freddie's Dead Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 the first 12 weeks the process yielded 5 out of 6 successful challenges which had him ranked first in the league. Looks like it actually was efficient and effective for the first 3/4 of the season. It wasn't effective week 13, so he's making changes to ensure it gets back to being effective. Stop the presses? Not challenging one of the calls (or both if he won the first) wouldn't have won the game on their own. The team had a lot of backups in on D and didn't play well enough to win. One of the successful challenges was on the ground ball Fitz threw for a 9-yard gain. Another successful one earlier in the year was also not a critical play. Rex does not know when to throw the flag. Kudos to winning 5 out of 6 challenges when 2 shouldn't have been thrown, and then in week 13 blowing it. Yeah, nothing's broken, all is well.
What a Tuel Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 You can't agree? Where did anybody say anything like that for you to agree with? And while I don't know what he's thinking I know he has challenged some idiotic plays this year. And I'm not talking about getting it wrong I'm talking about plays where one says to themselves, "why on earth would you bother challenging that?" It's happened multiple time but has been overlooked because there are bigger things to trash the Bills for (like poor defensive play.) And how do you know that if he makes those challenges the Bills don't end up winning? I don't know if they do, but what I do know is that he didn't give the Bills the best chance of winning. Which ones?
YoloinOhio Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) One of the successful challenges was on the ground ball Fitz threw for a 9-yard gain. Another successful one earlier in the year was also not a critical play. Rex does not know when to throw the flag. Kudos to winning 5 out of 6 challenges when 2 shouldn't have been thrown, and then in week 13 blowing it. Yeah, nothing's broken, all is well.pretty sure he said it isn't "all is well," and that's why he's changing things... Not sure of your pointThing that pisses me off about rex is he says he is going to fix things but never does. After the new England game, "we will clean up our penalties I promise" not even close. After a certain game I can't remember he says we are going to simplify our defence and let the front four attack. Last game, Dareus is in coverage on multiple occasions that results in touchdowns. He is a man of empty promises, just like he said we are going to the playoffsthey have had games where they had very few penalties, actually. Keep in mind the team was the second most penalized team in the league before he ever got here (OMG bring back schwartzy it's all Rex's fault) and Rex's jets were like middle of the league but you know, narrative. According to PFF Dareus dropped back in coverage only one time (not multiple) and it was a play in which Smith got the ball out in roughly 2 sec. Soooo - Not my cup of tea either but it isn't worth getting all upset over. Edited December 2, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Boatdrinks Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 I'm really sick of his pathetic excuses for all the f'kups. Fwiw, Ryan had best % of challenges won in the NFL before last game @ KC. Not exactly an indication that something was wrong with " the process" they had in place. pretty sure he said it isn't "all is well," and that's why he's changing things... Not sure of your point they have had games where they had very few penalties, actually. Keep in mind the team was the second most penalized team in the league before he ever got here (OMG bring back schwartzy it's all Rex's fault) and Rex's jets were like middle of the league but you know, narrative. According to PFF Dareus dropped back in coverage only one time (not multiple) and it was a play in which Smith got the ball out in roughly 2 sec. Soooo - Not my cup of tea either but it isn't worth getting all upset over. All valid points Yolo. Could it be that there are multiple reasons for the Bills struggles this season involving both players and coaches? I know , it's not as sexy as some " magic bullet" theory and doesn't fit any agenda...
moshermw Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 NFL should implement an interactive system over Dish or Direct TV whereby the fans decide both whether a play should be reviewed and what the call is. But just for teams that haven't made playoffs for 15 years tho. If it were implemented, I'm fairly certain some fvcks on this board would actually refrain from helping the Bills so they can hate on Rex and TT further so they can continue to wallow in their misery. This is a good team and it's about to break out.
Freddie's Dead Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 You guys talking about Rex being 5 of 6 on challenges before last week are off-base. Two of those challenges should not have been made at all. So he's 5 of 7 on challenges he's made, 3 of which should not have been made. That's a 43% error rate on throwing the flag. When you add in the two times he SHOULD have thrown the flag but didn't, now his flag error rate is 5 out of 9, or 56%. So he got 5 of 6 right, whoopee. A trained chimp can do that by looking at the replay. You have to know when the play is worth challenging and clearly, Rex doesn't.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 Thanks Rex and the entire Bills staff. Thanks for figuring out that the way you relay information for what to challenge on game days is an absolute joke. And thank you for for being proactive enough to get this change in before week 13. Hell with the first 12 weeks of the season, who needed an efficient and effective process the first 3/4's of the season. Thanks to Rex for not challenging 3 plays that all looked iffy. 2 looked like locks to be overturned in the Hogan catch and Alex Smith being short of the sticks on his 3rd and 11 scamper. The Maclin catch was iffy, but was probably worth a second look given the importance of that play. Thanks Rex for challenging Robert Woods drop, that reviews clearly showed hit the ground. And thank you for admitting in the post game press conference that one of your big indicators on whether you should challenge a play is by listening to the player involved in the play, who is surely going to give you his calm and objective opinion on the matter. Would you rather Rex get his info from a brainiac who knows the NFL rulebook inside and out, sitting in front of a 70 inch led t.v., listening to the game broadcast........or from Robert Woods? These decisions seem so easy, so obvious, so laughable when they are posed aloud, but apparently for this pathetic organization that has yet to sniff a playoff appearance since '99, these things are not properly planned for 12 games into a season. It's embarrassing, and may have cost us a win this year. They should change the rule so that fans can decide to challenge or not ... Great, a 5 hour game. works in college
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 Wait a minute! I think I see a pattern! Challenging the spot is almost NEVER OVERTURNED!! But Tyrod might have got the first down. Oh wait. Let's challenge it. Darn it. Screwed again!
Mr. WEO Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 NFL should implement an interactive system over Dish or Direct TV What about those of us who don't live in a trailer home?
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 What about those of us who don't live in a trailer home? A little harsh this AM WEO Just curious...are people still doing push-ups for penalties? Penalties have been dropping these past few days haven't they? From 12 to 17 per game to under 10
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 The solution is simple. TAKE THE CHALLENGE JOB OUT OF THE HEAD COACH'S HANDS. The coach should simply be a dummy that is told to throw the flag or not. Hire an ex referee, ONE guy that knows how the rules are interpreted, give him a state of the art replay system with a tech geek for support, and he makes every replay decision from his command post in the replay room at 2 Bills Drive. The head coach has a million tactical and strategic calls to make during a game, replays should not be one of them. Furthermore, if it is a situation where our player can possibly assist our replay specialist in his decision to challenge or not, then that player will be on a headset immediately with our guy. ("Did you feel the ball move when it touched the ground? Do you know if your hand was completely under the ball? Etc.) In most situations this might not be necessary, but it might help. The replay guy decides, the coach does what he is told. The end. I could be mistaken, but I didn't think that coaches had access to replay film during the game; that is one of the challenges of executing the current challenge system. There should be a Bills coaching assistant whose job is to recommend challenge or not. The player involved should not be part of the decision making process, period. Most coaches have been quoted as saying the player is always on the side of "challenge it, coach, I was in bounds, I caught it clean, I was down before I fumbled" The HC should not be a "dummy" who is instructed what to do, because time outs are part of a team's strategic gameplan and a failed challenge does cost a timeout. But he should be handed a "challenge/don't challenge" decision by a coach whose job that is.
Mr. WEO Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 I could be mistaken, but I didn't think that coaches had access to replay film during the game; that is one of the challenges of executing the current challenge system. There should be a Bills coaching assistant whose job is to recommend challenge or not. The player involved should not be part of the decision making process, period. Most coaches have been quoted as saying the player is always on the side of "challenge it, coach, I was in bounds, I caught it clean, I was down before I fumbled" The HC should not be a "dummy" who is instructed what to do, because time outs are part of a team's strategic gameplan and a failed challenge does cost a timeout. But he should be handed a "challenge/don't challenge" decision by a coach whose job that is. A HC who is paying attention should be able to say "wait, that wasn't a catch? Why are they saying incomplete pass??" The decision to review should flow naturally from there. Rex is a notoriously bad game manager, a man famous for lacking attention to detail. The irony is that he was playing against the worst game manager in the NFL.
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