BmarvB Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 Alex Smith is a better game manager than Rex Ryan.
dhgold Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 RR has been a big disappointment. I guess I put too much stock in the Jets occasionally beating NE when he was NY's HC. I couldn't make it through all ten previous pages of this thread, but I noticed that many posters pointed out the complete organizational breakdown WRT replay challenges, total lack of pass rush and general disorganization/lack of discipline (#1 in NFL in penalties by a wide margin). All of those things infuriated me but another aspect of the game that really bothered me was the gutlessness and lack of strategic understanding of the modern NFL game that lead to punting twice in Chiefs territory; on both occasions the Chiefs made it back to the Bills' last line of scrimmage within a couple of plays and scored on that possession.
Nihilarian Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 Can we all just agree that Rex Ryan was a bad hire! His big mouth usually only manages to fire up the opposing team and give them bulletin board material to motivate them to shut him up. The Penalties! The team did manage to get better the previous three games only screw up the most important game of the season 9 for 91 yards The cover over pressure scheme Ryan has been running with his defense has stunk all year, save one game when he changed it for the second Patriots game. Ryan has trouble managing a game, and making the right flag calls. I highly doubt this team will ever see the playoffs with Rex Ryan as the head coach!
B-Large Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 Rex Ryan might be the worst head coach I've seen at practicing good situational football. He's regularly on the losing end of opportunities to put his team in a place to win, his team continues to regress in all phases, and he resides over a defense that was among the tops in the NFL last year ready to take a next step. It'd be hard to to fire him if this continues, this roster is to talented to perform Ike they do.
Freddie's Dead Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 Too many people are positing that someone in "the booth" must tell Rex to challenge the call. That is bullsh!t. Sometimes you won't have time to see a replay, so your criteria cannot be simply "WILL THEY OVERTURN IT?" You must create criteria to throw the challenge flag that will not be a waste of a timeout otherwise, because you may need to throw the flag when the outcome is in doubt. Good coaches know this, and do it, Rex does not. In real time, I said the pass to Maclin was not a catch. You don't need to wait for a replay there to throw the flag. It's a HUGE play, and you need to kill the KC momentum anyway, so use the TO to get the crowd to cool off a bit, take the mo away from the Chefs, and get your defense set. The challenge flag on Woods was so $%^&ing stupid it defies logic. But it was the same as the Jets 9-yard pass on 2nd and 10 that Ryan challenged last week. It was upheld, but if the Jets convert the third down, it was a wasted challenge. Ryan did a similar play earlier in the year. In both cases the defense held, but I took a lot of heat in the game day thread because most people think it's a good challenge if you win the challenge. The Hogan challenge was another no brainer. You needed that first down and should have called a TO there anyway, so throw the flag. But Ryan and Roman seem incapable of thinking beyond the immediate play. That's why we always lose. We play coaches who are thinking plays ahead, while we have coaches who can barely handle the immediate play. We had 2nd and 9 twice in Chefs territory after 1 yard runs on 1st down. We call pass plays on 2nd and 3rd, both times, and all 4 fall incomplete. We then punt on 4th and 9 in Chefs territory, failing to have set ourselves up for possibly manageable 4th down. Ryan and Roman were terrible today, and Thurman? Don't get me started.
billsfan_34 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Posted November 30, 2015 A good HC has someone upstairs to let him know if he should review. You delegate that. It shouldn't just be up to him That's on Rex. Poor organizational skills on his part. This guy has an excuse for everything- I am sick of it the quicker hes gone the better Rex Ryan might be the worst head coach I've seen at practicing good situational football. He's regularly on the losing end of opportunities to put his team in a place to win, his team continues to regress in all phases, and he resides over a defense that was among the tops in the NFL last year ready to take a next step. It'd be hard to to fire him if this continues, this roster is to talented to perform Ike they do. Whaley has to be pissed because he didnt hire the bafoon, that was the pegula lovefest for him
dave mcbride Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) If what you are watching is Hogan's back, and not his front (I have no idea what angle he had) you would not have seen whether he had it as a catch or not live. On TV is a completely different viewpoint. And again, there are a million things HC do on the sidelines besides watching the plays. I don't know if he was watching live or not. It seems very hard for me to believe that he was watching and had a good angle on the play live and still didn't challenge it. If that is what happened he blew the defensive game and the offensive game. IIRC, rex was watching his front. Edited November 30, 2015 by dave mcbride
Freddie's Dead Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 IIRC, rex was watching his front. Yep, we saw the back because the cameras are always on the home side. Rex had a front-row seat.
billsfan714 Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 Having Rex as your game day manager is like going on Millionaire and having Pauly Shore as your phone a friend.
CardinalScotts Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 Corbin Bryant, IK versus back up linemen 3 deep no factor, they arent starting material
Maguire's Beer Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 The inability to grasp the proper use of the replay challenge system, like the well-demonstrated inability to manage the game clock, speaks volumes about the general inadequacy of Rex and his staff. In a league which is designed, through the salary cap and the draft, to tend toward personnel parity, it's essential to maximize non-personnel-related opportunities. Those are the margins on which most games are won and lost. By and large, Rex and his staff have failed in this regard. While initial game plans on offense and defense have generally seemed sound, any advantages that the Bills have won through early game tactics have dissipated later on; there's no arguing that they routinely find themselves outmanoeuvred by opposing coaches' in-game's adjustments. And the below-average performance in clock management and taking advantage of replay further compounds the problem. In short, we're usually outcoached in most aspects of gameday management. And while I think that the player personnel is pretty good - probably above-average - it's not so superlative as to overcome Rex's staff's inability to win along the margins. The worst part is that Rex has been doing this long enough that there's no reason to believe that he's going to learn and evolve. He is what he is. And I sincerely doubt that what he is can lead a team to a Super Bowl in today's game, or even to sustained winning seasons. The REAL worst part is there's no way the Pegulas move on from him until the end of next season, at the earliest.
OhDozeBills Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 I think the players need more time off.
billsfan_34 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Posted November 30, 2015 The inability to grasp the proper use of the replay challenge system, like the well-demonstrated inability to manage the game clock, speaks volumes about the general inadequacy of Rex and his staff. In a league which is designed, through the salary cap and the draft, to tend toward personnel parity, it's essential to maximize non-personnel-related opportunities. Those are the margins on which most games are won and lost. By and large, Rex and his staff have failed in this regard. While initial game plans on offense and defense have generally seemed sound, any advantages that the Bills have won through early game tactics have dissipated later on; there's no arguing that they routinely find themselves outmanoeuvred by opposing coaches' in-game's adjustments. And the below-average performance in clock management and taking advantage of replay further compounds the problem. In short, we're usually outcoached in most aspects of gameday management. And while I think that the player personnel is pretty good - probably above-average - it's not so superlative as to overcome Rex's staff's inability to win along the margins. The worst part is that Rex has been doing this long enough that there's no reason to believe that he's going to learn and evolve. He is what he is. And I sincerely doubt that what he is can lead a team to a Super Bowl in today's game, or even to sustained winning seasons. The REAL worst part is there's no way the Pegulas move on from him until the end of next season, at the earliest. The BEST part is we all get to suffer 16 together - cheers! In all seriousness, The Pegulas wont hesitate to can him at then end of the season. Russ Brandon was the other one that consulted and had a love fest for the guy. Its time for him to go as well. For a person who was delegated back to the financial side he still has his hands in the cookie jar. I feel bad for Whaley, this isnt on him at all.
Mr. WEO Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 The BEST part is we all get to suffer 16 together - cheers! In all seriousness, The Pegulas wont hesitate to can him at then end of the season. Russ Brandon was the other one that consulted and had a love fest for the guy. Its time for him to go as well. For a person who was delegated back to the financial side he still has his hands in the cookie jar. I feel bad for Whaley, this isnt on him at all. There is no way the Pegulas will fire Rex at the end of the season. As for Whaley, this is on him as much as anyone else. In his own words: “I knew when he started talking about how he wanted to build a team and I could complete his sentences and he could complete mine in how we want the Buffalo Bills to look we were on the same page.” “It was funny because at the start of the process Kim and Terry asked me who my favorite was and I said, ‘You can’t go in with any preconceived notions of what you want and what you like. You’ve got to go in with an open mind so you don’t have any biases,’” said Whaley. “And at that point Kim said, ‘Well then how do you know?’ I said, ‘Unfortunately it’s like when I asked people who were married and I was single. How do you know? You just know.’ And when we got to that point we all looked at each other and knew that Rex was the guy who we wanted to be our next head coach.” Whaley fell in love with Rex immediately while interviewing him. If Rex goes, Whaley should follow him out the door.
billsfan_34 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Posted November 30, 2015 There is no way the Pegulas will fire Rex at the end of the season. As for Whaley, this is on him as much as anyone else. In his own words: I knew when he started talking about how he wanted to build a team and I could complete his sentences and he could complete mine in how we want the Buffalo Bills to look we were on the same page. It was funny because at the start of the process Kim and Terry asked me who my favorite was and I said, You cant go in with any preconceived notions of what you want and what you like. Youve got to go in with an open mind so you dont have any biases, said Whaley. And at that point Kim said, Well then how do you know? I said, Unfortunately its like when I asked people who were married and I was single. How do you know? You just know. And when we got to that point we all looked at each other and knew that Rex was the guy who we wanted to be our next head coach. Whaley fell in love with Rex immediately while interviewing him. If Rex goes, Whaley should follow him out the door. I dont remember all that so thank you- I only remembered the Pegulas stroking this guy. I agree and retract my statement- Whaley should definitely go as well.
nucci Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 I think the players need more time off. Way to contribute to the conversation
Mr. WEO Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 I dont remember all that so thank you- I only remembered the Pegulas stroking this guy. I agree and retract my statement- Whaley should definitely go as well. No problem. Whaley has been blundering his way upward since he got here.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 My God. We are 11 games in and I'm already sick of Rex. I thought it would at least take me until year 3 CBF
hondo in seattle Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) I'm now officially off the Rex Bandwagon. The lack of challenges on calls that were obviously bad was maddening. The D has been a disappointment all year (sans 2nd Pats game). I have to imagine a Schwartz-Roman or H.Jackson-Roman combo would have produced more wins to this point than a Ryan-Roman combo has. Edited November 30, 2015 by hondo in seattle
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