Kelly the Dog Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 First of all congrats on a pretty good game. But his problems as a WR still rear their ugly head. He has GOT to pick up the first down when he has the first down. He blew it, which led to the bad call on third and inches. You just can't do it. Another time he didn't fight for an extra yard and went out of bounds easily after a 9 yard catch. One play that bothered me, however, and something he always does that is not good, is on the 31 yard catch he made. He is wide open. The ball is there. But instead of catching it on the run, he slows down, turns sideways and jumps to catch it above his head, and then comes down and is immediately tackled. Most WR and all good ones pick up the trajectory, keep running, catch it without jumping and then try to avoid the tackle. It's possible that he could have even cut to the middle of the field and broke the tackle of the hard closing DB if he had just caught it on the run. I just watched it a dozen times. It's arguable that the pass was one yard short. But even if it was he still could have and would have caught it on the run with his hands without jumping and had a split second to put a move on the DB. He almost always stops and jumps to try to make a catch like that rather than just running and catching it and getting as many yards as he can. It's bothersome. Again, he did have a good game. But his awareness is still a glaring problem.
FireChan Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 I was gonna make this topic. He's the anti-Edelman. Always finds a way to not get the first down.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 First of all congrats on a pretty good game. But his problems as a WR still rear their ugly head. He has GOT to pick up the first down when he has the first down. He blew it, which led to the bad call on third and inches. You just can't do it. Another time he didn't fight for an extra yard and went out of bounds easily after a 9 yard catch. One play that bothered me, however, and something he always does that is not good, is on the 31 yard catch he made. He is wide open. The ball is there. But instead of catching it on the run, he slows down, turns sideways and jumps to catch it above his head, and then comes down and is immediately tackled. Most WR and all good ones pick up the trajectory, keep running, catch it without jumping and then try to avoid the tackle. It's possible that he could have even cut to the middle of the field and broke the tackle of the hard closing DB if he had just caught it on the run. I just watched it a dozen times. It's arguable that the pass was one yard short. But even if it was he still could have and would have caught it on the run with his hands without jumping and had a split second to put a move on the DB. He almost always stops and jumps to try to make a catch like that rather than just running and catching it and getting as many yards as he can. It's bothersome. Again, he did have a good game. But his awareness is still a glaring problem. My exact thoughts as the play happened. Better situational awareness was needed in that instance.
GG Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) What you guys said. Unfortunately with Percy & Goodwin out, Hogan's role is elevated. Edited November 25, 2015 by GG
Deranged Rhino Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 True, it's the same problems that haunted him last year. He's solid but JAG. They're going to need one or two WRs this coming off season in my mind to replace Percy and hopefully upgrade Hogan.
Big C Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Hogan has improved over the years and is mostly reliable. He never gives the game away with one horrible play, but his small mistakes add up to take their toll. I like him on our roster, though, I think he'll keep working hard to get better.
BuffaloMatt Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Nit picking guys. He is a refreshing surprise and a reliable 3WR. Two words Special Teams!!!!
ricojes Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Nit picking guys. He is a refreshing surprise and a reliable 3WR. Two words Special Teams!!!! Especially when he started the season as the #5WR,,,
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Hogan has improved over the years and is mostly reliable. He never gives the game away with one horrible play, but his small mistakes add up to take their toll. I like him on our roster, though, I think he'll keep working hard to get better. this is what I was thinking
Kelly the Dog Posted November 25, 2015 Author Posted November 25, 2015 Nit picking guys. He is a refreshing surprise and a reliable 3WR. Two words Special Teams!!!! Everyone went nuts over his special teams play last year. He finished the season with no tackles and one assist the entire season. This year he is way better and has three tackles.
section122 Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 What you guys said. Unfortunately with Percy & Goodwin out, Hogan's role is elevated. Add to the fact Belicheat is notorious for taking away what you want to do and forcing you to beat them with guys like Hogan.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 With the attitude of many WRs coming out of college, his is a nice breath of fresh air. Keep him around - at least he puts in the work. He's a depth guy forced to learn all the roles on the offense (Z,Y, Slot), and play special teams. He's also pretty big - which is good for a running team.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 25, 2015 Author Posted November 25, 2015 With the attitude of many WRs coming out of college, his is a nice breath of fresh air. Keep him around - at least he puts in the work. He's a depth guy forced to learn all the roles on the offense (Z,Y, Slot), and play special teams. He's also pretty big - which is good for a running team. Good post. He's a willing blocker. And good to have on your team. But as a #4 IMO.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Good post. He's a willing blocker. And good to have on your team. But as a #4 IMO. He'll probably be fairly cheap for as long as we'll have him. Unless he has some sort of huge breakout campaign.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) It's not his fault at all, but it continues to disgust me that under the Hackett and Roman regimes he seems to get almost as many targets as Sammy. As far as I'm concerned that's the only bad with Hogan. I think Hogan could do really good things if we got the ball to our real playmakers more often. This would open up things for our number 2 and 3 receivers, instead of them being used more like number 1's. Edited November 26, 2015 by DriveFor1Outta5
Simon Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 The good: A fine athlete, a hard worker and seemingly one of the good guys. The bad: His feel for this game is virtually non-existent. He might be the least instinctive receiver I have ever seen a ballfield.
artmalibu Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 None of his mishaps were half as bad as the QB that was throwing him the ball. Twice he totally beat the defense and TT pissed his pants with the throw.
Dr.Sack Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 If Corey Graham makes a tackle on 3rd down after Mario Williams chips the RB releasing into the flat, McKelvin doesn't fumble and Carpenter hits a field goal we win 16-13. Thanks in large part to Hogan's 5 grabs for 90 yards. Where is the crusade against these 4 higher level players?
Kelly the Dog Posted November 26, 2015 Author Posted November 26, 2015 If Corey Graham makes a tackle on 3rd down after Mario Williams chips the RB releasing into the flat, McKelvin doesn't fumble and Carpenter hits a field goal we win 16-13. Thanks in large part to Hogan's 5 grabs for 90 yards. Where is the crusade against these 4 higher level players? One thread where I start out saying "First of all congrats on a pretty good game" and ended on "Again, he had a good game..." is a crusade?
NoSaint Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 One thread where I start out saying "First of all congrats on a pretty good game" and ended on "Again, he had a good game..." is a crusade? Right but with that "Mario is awesome" thread going, I see how critiquing some of the finer points of hogans game is blistering harsh
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