LA Grant Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 Not really. He hated it. But he went along with it because the team was winning and teams couldn't stop him. When he was a freshman he ran all the routes and was more of a complete WR. Teams didn't know him so they didn't know how to cover him. By the time he was a junior all of the teams in the conference were terrified of him, so they played 7-10 yards off the ball. His coaches said, well, if you are going to just give us 7-10 yards we are going to take it until you stop it, and they just ran it over and over. That's why he had all those screens. He really didn't like it all that much. Interesting! Thanks for the insight.
Joeziehmer Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 When Sammy is not gassed he is one of the best. Far to often he cannot break that second layer through the seam. Reminding anyone of CJ yet?
TheFunPolice Posted November 26, 2015 Author Posted November 26, 2015 Deep passes are nice and all but shorter passes are what move the chains on a consistent basis. That is the biggest reason Brady is still great and Manning looks awful. The thing Manning always did was push the ball downfield 20-25 yards. When he was PFM he was killing teams with the intermediate passes. The he would throw a bunch of shorter stuff and get RAC. Brady has pretty much always thrown screens, slants, short passes. Everything he throws is like 5-10 yards, and he usually doesn't get hit (recent few weeks aside). That allows him to still look great at 38 years old. However, he is taking a tremendous beating and it won't get any better in Denver in that stadium with that DL that put Luck on the shelf with an assortment of injuries. How does this relate to Sammy? Well, instead of trying to just throw deep on every passing play they need to find ways to get him involved early in the game with some higher % routes. He is one of our best players. To not use him or to accept that "he was covered" is to play with one hand tied behind your back.
yungmack Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 Might the problem be with TT rather than Roman? Roman may very well be calling plays for Sammy but then TT could be audibling out of them. He does seem to change a lot of calls based on the initial look of the defense.
TheFunPolice Posted November 30, 2015 Author Posted November 30, 2015 So yet again we see this in action. 1st half: Sammy is unstopable! 2nd half: "oh we just couldn't get him the ball... the Chiefs changed their overages so we just quit playing offense and gave up" Okay, I am paraphrasing a bit on the 2nd half excuse/"explanation" but WTF is it with this offense? It's like they made a point of throwing to Sammy in the 1st half, just shut up all the annoying critics. Then it was like "point proven...we CAN do it when we want. We quit now." Sammy was catching everything as he has most of the season all 1st half. Then they just stopped trying after halftime. Anger and frustration don't even begin to scratch the surface of how I feel about this topic. It's totally insane.
Koufax Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 Agreeing strongly with the frustration and some of the specifics being mentioned here. They shifted safety help on Sammy in the second half, which cut down on the deep ball window. But in that situation Roman needs to call more intermediate routes where Sammy is the first option. I know with the safety help deep the corner was playing a little closer, but on the intermediate routes it doesn't matter as much, and we can rely on Sammy's route running and battle for the catch, and less on Tyrod threading a needle. They didn't do that, and as a result the second half was a disaster and Sammy wasn't a factor.
BuffaloMatt Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 G RO got out coached. Called a bad game (again).
26CornerBlitz Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) G RO got out coached. Called a bad game (again). G RO better GROw more imagination because teams will design their schemes to take Sammy away for the rest of the season after the way he torched KC in the 1st half yesterday. You can't leave Sammy in the same spot down after down to make it easier for opposing defenses to gameplan for him. Edited December 1, 2015 by 26CornerBlitz
TheFunPolice Posted November 30, 2015 Author Posted November 30, 2015 I'm sure Sammy can run other routes in addition to go routes. The only man who can shut down Sammy is Greg Roman.
LabattBlue Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 I don't know what is worse...not throwing to Sammy very much(which we have seen many times this season), or targeting him in the first half of a game which led to a monumental first half and then pretending he doesn't exist in the 2nd half. Just brutal.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 @YardsPerPass All 22 is out, + I looked really quick at how KC covered Sammy in 2nd half. In any passing situ, pressed him at line w/ S directly over him
BarleyNY Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 @YardsPerPass All 22 is out, + I looked really quick at how KC covered Sammy in 2nd half. In any passing situ, pressed him at line w/ S directly over him I was wondering what exactly happened. Figured Watkins was getting more attention in coverage. The Bills desperately need another quality WR - another real threat - lining up across from Watkins. It's got to be a draft/offseason priority.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 I was wondering what exactly happened. Figured Watkins was getting more attention in coverage. The Bills desperately need another quality WR - another real threat - lining up across from Watkins. It's got to be a draft/offseason priority. It's still not an excuse as there are ways to open Sammy up via formation to exploit favorable matchups.
BarleyNY Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) It's still not an excuse as there are ways to open Sammy up via formation to exploit favorable matchups. Agreed. Also if Watkins wants to be an elite WR then he's going to have to beat double coverages sometimes. Edited November 30, 2015 by BarleyNY
NextYearGuys Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Sammy needs 10 plus targets a game and like 3 plays designed to go to him specifically (screens, long balls, etc.) no matter what. We spent 2 first rounders to get him. He's unbelievably talented. Give. Him. The. Ball.
BuffaninATL Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Agreed. Also if Watkins wants to be an elite WR then he's going to have to beat double coverages sometimes. did you not see the 2 TDs he caught with 2 guys on him for both ?
K-9 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Roman had no answers to the Chiefs' halftime adjustments. A good OC needs to anticipate these adjustments, recognize them, and adjust in kind. He leaves a lot to be desired as an OC in this league. GO BILLS!!!
BuffaloMatt Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 G RO better GROw more imagination because teams will design their schemes to take Sammy away for the rest of the season after the way he torches KC in the 1st half yesterday. You can't leave Sammy in the same spot down after down to make it easier for opposing defenses to gameplan for him. Agreed bro! Move your weapon around. Once again it seems that the Bills hired a one-di·men·sion·al OC.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 @mikerodak Asked about why Sammy Watkins was targeted once in the second half of Sunday's loss to the Chiefs, Bills OC Greg... http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0464139916230529938-4
Heels20X6 Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 @mikerodak Asked about why Sammy Watkins was targeted once in the second half of Sunday's loss to the Chiefs, Bills OC Greg... http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0464139916230529938-4 I didn't read the article. Was it just one line with Roman being quoted as: "Because I'm an idiot" ?
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