vegas55 Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Little attention has been paid to the miscues of Graham. A fairly high priced free agent (for his position) gained favor with media/fans with a couple of good early season performances in the 2014 season. But things actually went south later in that season with several terrible miscues, specifically giving up long, game changing touchdowns against Houston and Oakland by employing inexplicably bad technique of looking into the backfield while covering the teams fastest receiver on a fly route. Last night was typical Corey. Caught holding a scrub receiver who makes a lot less money than him, a holding call which cost us that huge interception early in the game. Later in the half he is super slow in getting over to cover a running back on a simple swing pass, and then lets that same 5th string back break his sad ass attempt at a tackle to score a game changing TD. But Teflon Corey manages to escape criticism, in spite of a disturbing trend of bad plays in big situations.
K D Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 He made some good plays too. He's supposed to be a versatile backup that can play corner or safety. He wasn't brought here to start. He's playing as well as he can for him. Because Aaron got hurt and Duke sucks he is forced into a position where he has to hold down that spot and he's doing an OK job imo
Doc Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 The Bills held the Cheaters to 20 points in their own house. Graham and the defense wasn't the problem.
Andrew Son Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 He's playing really well. He missed a 1 on 1 tackle, it happens...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 He made waaaaaaay more good plays to his one broken tackle. He's not even part of the problem.
norton20 Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 He's the best safety they have at the moment. The Bills have a number of problems (consistency on either side of the ball being primary to me) but Graham is not anywhere near the top of this list.
vegas55 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Posted November 24, 2015 He made waaaaaaay more good plays to his one broken tackle. He's not even part of the problem. Of course he is not part of the problem. In a low scoring game, he completely gave up one touchdown to the Pats with his horrible coverage and tackling. Then committed a dumb penalty which negated Bills interception which would have had them in scoring position at New England 20 yard line. Two huge game changing plays in a very low scoring game. But according to you, "he's not even a part of the problem". Well how ever you spin it he was a HUGE part of the problem last night. But thanks - you made my point - Teflon Corey - above ANY criticism, no matter how huge his blunders are.
KGUNBILLS Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 I would more be upset with the continuous lack of pass interference calls on the Pats, then with Graham. Multiple time I saw Pats defenders with their hands on Bills receivers without turning their heads just putting their hands up when the receiver reached for passes. BS in my book.
BillsFan130 Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 He made some good plays too. He's supposed to be a versatile backup that can play corner or safety. He wasn't brought here to start. He's playing as well as he can for him. Because Aaron got hurt and Duke sucks he is forced into a position where he has to hold down that spot and he's doing an OK job imo Exactly. He is filling in and doing a descent job for the most part. I never really had high expectations for him, we got bigger problems to worry about than corey graham
norton20 Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Of course he is not part of the problem. In a low scoring game, he completely gave up one touchdown to the Pats with his horrible coverage and tackling. Then committed a dumb penalty which negated Bills interception which would have had them in scoring position at New England 20 yard line. Two huge game changing plays in a very low scoring game. But according to you, "he's not even a part of the problem". Well how ever you spin it he was a HUGE part of the problem last night. But thanks - you made my point - Teflon Corey - above ANY criticism, no matter how huge his blunders are. Actually, no. Everyone just disagrees with you.
vegas55 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Posted November 24, 2015 Actually, no. Everyone just disagrees with you. Yes "everybody" - if your definition of everybody is the 9 people who posted. Last I checked there was a few more Bills fans out there than the nine who responded here. There might even be a few that agree with me that a safety making several million dollars a year should be able to tackle a 5th string RB making the NFL minimum; in an incredibly big moment. Maybe, just maybe that's not expecting too much from a high paid safety. BTW, how many big tackles did the Pats safetys miss last night.
jahbonas Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 He's the best safety they have at the moment. The Bills have a number of problems (consistency on either side of the ball being primary to me) but Graham is not anywhere near the top of this list. What does your statement have to do with what the OP states? He makes a very valid point that Graham did make 2 game changing plays to the negative.
billsfan_34 Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Little attention has been paid to the miscues of Graham. A fairly high priced free agent (for his position) gained favor with media/fans with a couple of good early season performances in the 2014 season. But things actually went south later in that season with several terrible miscues, specifically giving up long, game changing touchdowns against Houston and Oakland by employing inexplicably bad technique of looking into the backfield while covering the teams fastest receiver on a fly route. Last night was typical Corey. Caught holding a scrub receiver who makes a lot less money than him, a holding call which cost us that huge interception early in the game. Later in the half he is super slow in getting over to cover a running back on a simple swing pass, and then lets that same 5th string back break his sad ass attempt at a tackle to score a game changing TD. But Teflon Corey manages to escape criticism, in spite of a disturbing trend of bad plays in big situations. The guy has been having a great year. Corners and safeties miscues are always amplified as the spotlight is on them. How about we score a few more points? The defense wasnt the problem. Take a look at Roman first.
GG Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 What does your statement have to do with what the OP states? He makes a very valid point that Graham did make 2 game changing plays to the negative. For starters, it's questionable whether the RB wheel was his responsibility. Two, we need to see All-22 replay of the hold to see if it was legit. If it's the one I'm thinking of, the hold may have tied up Gronk to have him bobble the ball and no INT happens in the first place. Three, as others have said his contributions far outweigh the mistakes. It's odd that he picked Graham to bash in this game. If you want to single out a safety for stupid play, pick on Duke, who made two bonehead plays in three downs he was on the field.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) What does your statement have to do with what the OP states? He makes a very valid point that Graham did make 2 game changing plays to the negative. There isnt a single player in the entire NFL that is perfect on every play. It doesnt take a football mastermind to pick out 1 or 2 mistakes by any player and twist them into "game changing" plays. Sure, he should have made that tackle, that's what he gets paid to do. But... 1. The RB also gets paid to break such tackles and 2. It's been questioned that Mario was supposed to fan out and at least get in between the RB and QB to prevent the pass. Could just as easily be all his fault for blowing the assignment. Edited November 24, 2015 by DrDareustein
Fixxxer Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 If I'm on the drawing board and I call that defensive play against that same formation the Pats were in, I tell my RE (Mario) to disrupt the route of the safety valve and then rush the passer. That way, the QB gets sacked by the blitzer or he hurries the throw and misses his intended target.
vegas55 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Posted November 24, 2015 If I'm on the drawing board and I call that defensive play against that same formation the Pats were in, I tell my RE (Mario) to disrupt the route of the safety valve and then rush the passer. That way, the QB gets sacked by the blitzer or he hurries the throw and misses his intended target. Okay Coach, you are not on the "drawing board" and Mario gets paid big bucks to rush the passer, not "disrupt" passing routes. Whatever scheme all you geniuses imagine, your boy Corey HAS to make that tackle. And tell me about the great play Corey made last night - I did not see it. I saw him missing an easy tackle and get called for a killer, game changing penalty. What brilliance did you see, other than vague references to "he played great". Unless you reviewed the game film, neither you or any Bills coach can tell you how well he played. You really think watching a game on tv qualifies you to judge the quality of safety play? Please!!
NoSaint Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 I'll also say he's not that highly paid. In fact he's pretty average to below average, in the grand scheme of pay checks
Mark Vader Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 I'll admit that Graham has made mistakes this season, but I do not see him as a liability. That TD was ugly last night, but was that because of Graham or Bradham? Also, I do not think the Bills gave him an enormous contract, as the OP implies. I am more concerned with our LB's than Graham. Aaron Williams being injured most of the season has hurt.
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