YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) Clay played 13 games vs. Chandler's 16, so we could have expected Clay to produce 20% more than Chandler did in 2014. No argument that Clay gives more intangibles. I just expected more for our money. Everyone here said that he would blow away Chandler from a production standpoint. That didn't happen. As far as teams having to game plan for him, the Bills took about zero advantage of that.how do you know they took zero advantage of that? Edited February 22, 2016 by YoloinOhio
Andrew Son Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 i think you missed his argument, with chandler 2014 being orton Correct, my bad
Freddie's Dead Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) how do you know they took zero advantage of that? 8-8? Oops, there I go quoting stats again Edited February 22, 2016 by Freddie's Dead
Nanker Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 Dennis Pitta would be a great pickup for The Bills. Doubt it would happen, but I repeat myself.
YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) 8-8?And? That's how you decide whether the offense took advantage of defenses game planning against Clay? Please explain, especially because if you really think the team record adequately tells that story(?), i don't understand the full season record. at least reference the record for the games he played in. I doubt the offense was able to take advantage of the defense game planning for him in the 4 games he didn't play in. Actually, never mind. I will help you out. Just compare where the offense was with him vs without him. Last year and this year. Edited February 22, 2016 by YoloinOhio
Freddie's Dead Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 And? That's how you decide whether the offense took advantage of defenses game planning against Clay? Please explain, especially because if you really think the team record adequately tells that story(?), i don't understand the full season record. at least reference the record for the games he played in. I doubt the offense was able to take advantage of the defense game planning for him in the 4 games he didn't play in. Actually, never mind. I will help you out. Just compare where the offense was with him vs without him. Last year and this year. The offense was marginally better with more yards, more points, less wins due to the bad defense. The middle of the field wasn't open for business like it should have been with Clay in there. We didn't get the ball to Sammy enough, who should have been open more if they had to account for Clay. I don't see that Clay delivered $5M more in value. Maybe he will pay off better down the road after a year in the system with Tyrod.
YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) The offense was marginally better with more yards, more points, less wins due to the bad defense. The middle of the field wasn't open for business like it should have been with Clay in there. We didn't get the ball to Sammy enough, who should have been open more if they had to account for Clay. I don't see that Clay delivered $5M more in value. Maybe he will pay off better down the road after a year in the system with Tyrod.marginally better? how do you know that the defense wasn't accounting for Clay and that the offense didn't take advantage of that? Your only answer was that Sammy should have been open more. they played in a grand total of 8 games together. You said the Bills took zero advantage of defenses game planning for Clay. Their offense was significantly better with him than without him. I still don't see a reason to support your statement. If you just don't think he was worth the money that's a totally separate thing. Edited February 22, 2016 by YoloinOhio
Deranged Rhino Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 marginally better? how do you know that the defense wasn't accounting for Clay and that the offense didn't take advantage of that? Your only answer was that Sammy should have been open more. they played in a grand total of 8 games together. You said the Bills took zero advantage of defenses game planning for Clay. Their offense was significantly better with him than without him. I still don't see a reason to support your statement. If you just don't think he was worth the money that's a totally separate thing. He was never going to live up to his contract. It was an impossibility due to how the Bills had to structure the deal to keep Miami from matching. Those saying he's not living up to his contract are missing the whole picture, those saying he's no better than Chandler are just trolling or should try watching the games with their eyes open. Taking a top player away from a divisional rival is a win. If that player fills a need this team has had since PM left, it's a win-win. There's no question about how valuable clay is to Roman's scheme -- unless you're not watching the games of course.
3rdand12 Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 Did I say that out loud? some things are assumed, yet clear enough to define as valid. Whispering to the blind is like yelling to the wide eyed
3rdand12 Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 Anybody here that doesn't expect The Bills Offense to be quite a bit better in 2016 than it was last season? Looking back at training camp and throughout the preseason they were still assembling the squad and didn't know who the hell the starters were, or even if they did, they didn't know when they would be able to actually play because of injuries and off-season surgeries. An offense takes some time to gel and Roman still hasn't installed his complete repertoire IIRC. I'm not calling for people to be patient, because that just invites the invocation of the reflexive "It's been 37 years without the playoffs and you want us to be PATIENT?" No. I'm just saying people could think a little harder about where the Offense really is. That's my opinion and you're entitled to it. Thank you for recognising this. I am surely entitled and rather surprised i have not been handed a much larger steaming platter of blood meats, and a vessel of Mead and barley wines. Dogs at my feet and a respected position at the fireplace within the Castle. wait. i have that. well i need more then!! Bring on the Wenches! In regard to the Offense. With out question it is Still a work in progress. and that is what i would expect from a guy ( Roman ) just over a season in with a QB in the same predicament. Make the outlook rather exciting for the offense don't you think Nanks? The offense was marginally better with more yards, more points, less wins due to the bad defense. The middle of the field wasn't open for business like it should have been with Clay in there. We didn't get the ball to Sammy enough, who should have been open more if they had to account for Clay. I don't see that Clay delivered $5M more in value. Maybe he will pay off better down the road after a year in the system with Tyrod. This is all on Tyrod's development and Roman's method i think Freddie. Would you agree? He was never going to live up to his contract. It was an impossibility due to how the Bills had to structure the deal to keep Miami from matching. Those saying he's not living up to his contract are missing the whole picture, those saying he's no better than Chandler are just trolling or should try watching the games with their eyes open. Taking a top player away from a divisional rival is a win. If that player fills a need this team has had since PM left, it's a win-win. There's no question about how valuable clay is to Roman's scheme -- unless you're not watching the games of course. D R you are speaking of Pete Metzelaars i assume? Most folks only saw what seemed a TE who missed some catches and then made some nice plays. I might guess those who understand better the opportunities in play calling that Roman was blessed to have by being able to move Clay around and keep defenses wary would understand his value to the team. Agreed that Bills chose to pry him away from Miami and that was no cheap thrill. But if he is healthy he will probably turn up to be the best TE we have had in years and years.
PO16FFS Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) no where Clay and not close to Gray either, I like O'Leary's upside Of course Clay is better than Chandler. Now to say that Chandler is not even close to Gray is just wrong. Gray had a few catches. That is it. ( I to remember that game where he had a huge catch. and the fans just eat that up cuz hes still on the team ) What upside has O'Leary shown? I hope he works out, but really, how can anyone say he has good upside when hes played a total of 5 snaps all year. BTW, Moderators. In the small print it says all Chandler threads max out at 10. Time to shut this rubbish down! Edited February 22, 2016 by fredex22
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 @adamschefter Patriots released WR Brandon LaFell and TE Scott Chandler, per @MikeReiss and me.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 2, 2016 Author Posted March 2, 2016 @adamschefter Patriots released WR Brandon LaFell and TE Scott Chandler, per @MikeReiss and me. So much for his HOF chances
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) They are clearing space for Hogan. Brady heard he's always open. And he's white, so he's another Edelman/Welker of course. Lafail never quite fit in to their pass catching corp. next year they will draft McCaffrey to really seal the deal on that offense. Edited March 2, 2016 by YoloinOhio
GunnerBill Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Teams tripping over themselves to sign him IMO He won't be short of offers one wouldn't think. If he is still out there as a "dust settle" guy would anyone be open to return? Not a perfect fit for Roman maybe but let's be honest Gragg and O'Leary (on what he has shown thus far) are borderline backup quality.
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) He won't be short of offers one wouldn't think. If he is still out there as a "dust settle" guy would anyone be open to return? Not a perfect fit for Roman maybe but let's be honest Gragg and O'Leary (on what he has shown thus far) are borderline backup quality. i was being sarcastic actually. But I'm sure some team will sign him to the vet minimum. I am thinking the Bills wouldn't be interested, but you never know. Gragg looked ok at end of year, but you are right about the dropoff after Clay and Roman loves him some TEs. I haven't given up on oleary... He's one I'm looking forward to seeing in camp. Had a nice catch and run vs redskins. Edited March 2, 2016 by YoloinOhio
NoSaint Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 He won't be short of offers one wouldn't think. If he is still out there as a "dust settle" guy would anyone be open to return? Not a perfect fit for Roman maybe but let's be honest Gragg and O'Leary (on what he has shown thus far) are borderline backup quality. He will likely be short on offers, honestly. He will play in the NFL this year but he will be a beggar and not a chooser
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 He will likely be short on offers, honestly. He will play in the NFL this year but he will be a beggar and not a chooser he is lucky that this is a weak draft for TEs
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