DC Greg Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Believe me, if the Bills make the playoffs and TT is healthy the rest of the year, his contract will 100% be restructured/extended. There won't be a hold-out Yep. If Tyrod gets us there, pay him. Should be an easy decision.
CountDorkula Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Yep. If Tyrod gets us there, pay him. Should be an easy decision. Its not that easy. How many times have we seen in the past QB's have a decently good year and then fall of the face of the earth/?Taylor needs to prove more this year and then do it again next year before I even begin a discussion of paying him. Or else your stuck with Matt Flynn or Derek Anderson. Edited November 18, 2015 by CountDorkula
Kirby Jackson Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Its not that easy. How many times have we seen in the past QB's have a decently good year and then fall of the face of the earth/?Taylor needs to prove more this year and then do it again next year before I even begin a discussion of paying him. Or else your stuck with Matt Flynn or Derek Anderson. Flynn played one game, in theory Tyrod will have played about a season. The flip side is that if he does it again next year you are looking at $100M QB with half guaranteed. The more sure that you become the more that it costs you. The more risk that you take the better the deal that you get from a team standpoint. He certainly won't be playing next year for $4m or whatever.
DC Greg Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Its not that easy. How many times have we seen in the past QB's have a decently good year and then fall of the face of the earth/?Taylor needs to prove more this year and then do it again next year before I even begin a discussion of paying him. Or else your stuck with Matt Flynn or Derek Anderson. The answer to your first question is zero. We (Bills fans) have seen zero QBs in the past 16 years be decent enough to lead a team to the playoffs. If Tyrod is able to take a team at 3-4 and lead them into the playoffs, that should be a QB we can get behind. He needs to stay healthy, but if he does and takes us to the playoffs, that's worthy of a contract.
808 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 i know everyone likes to hate on eugene parker but i think the days of fans hating him are gone. he obviously knew the team was on its own self imposed salary cap in the past and knowing your client wouldn't get what he was worth it was smart for him to get his guys out of buffalo. just business. but with the new regime i don't think it matters anymore. will he still want to get his client top $$ yes but buffalo is actually willing to pay it now is the difference.
JohnC Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 The Bills have proven to be risk takers. They are not the conservative "wait and see" guys. They are going to bet on being right and try to get it done this offseason. If they are able to they take the chance that he isn't the guy but at the same time they insure against a situation like Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco. They are going to try to "buy low" if you will. If he lights it up in the future you may very well have to rip up his deal and start over. The goal is to try to get the best value that you can for as long as you can (especially at QB). If they can get him for $15M a year I would think that the Bills would be thrilled (especially with minimal guarantees). That is the trick when investing in these QBs with a small sample size. If it blows up in your face does it cripple you moving forward? If Tyrod finishes this season at the level that he has played so far I would be really, really surprised if the Bills let him enter next season without a new deal. You make a keen observation regarding how the Bills currently operate in contrast to their historically staid image. Whaley is a believer that there are few opportunities to acquire "big" talents. When an "impact" player is available he is going to seriously consider making a move. He was willing to pay a hefty price for Watkins and he was willing to deal for McCoy in a deal for a younger player in Kiko. As you suggested with Whaley at the helm he is not a ditherer, he is action oriented. I agree with you that if the organization believes that TT is a legitimate franchise qb, with the recognition that he is somewhat of an unorthodox qb, they will lock him up before next season. For them as you noted it would be a smarter business move to act sooner rather than later. Are there risks associated with acting too quickly? Of course. That's the nature of a business that is very much about taking risks. What's worse than making a mistake is in an attempt to avoid making a mistake you lose out on a great opportunity!
John from Riverside Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Literally all of these are Ryan Fitzpatrick before his $39 million. Which is why he should not be given the money now
DC Greg Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Which is why he should not be given the money now I would definitely agree with that. My position was IF he stays healthy and leads us to the playoffs, pay him. For sure. If he stays healthy and we just miss the playoffs, I think it's more of a conversation. I probably still lean towards locking him up if he plays well. If he doesn't, then let him play next year and see what happens.
Hanoverbills Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Kirk Cousins is averaged about 40 att. a game this year and 8 tds and 1 int. the last three games. They throw the ball a lot.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Someone posted a while back something about some contracts being about the cost of replacing that player as compared to starting all over again. Cant remember the specifics but it made sense If there is a QB who is good but not great, you pay them in part of how much it would cost to replace them and start over CBF Still not liking the idea of paying him because it would cost X amount to replace him. He needs to prove his worth imo. To reiterate some comments posted and then some He needs to show he can stay healthy He needs to show he can play well for more than 1 season He needs to show he can win it in the air as well as on the ground If Kirk Cousins gets $17M a year, it's a sign that the world is coming to an end. In that case, does it really matter what we do with TT? Might be I missed the reply. Please answer - How in the hell are the Skins going to afford KC @ $17 Mil and RGIII's $15 Mil in 2016?
Utah John Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Taylor is 5-2 as a starter, with losses only to New England and Cincinnati. He has won on the road and he has won when most of his offensive weapons have been hurt. He has particular strengths including leadership that are hard to find. Just as important, there is no aspect to his game which is below average, except his height, and tell than to Russell Wilson. He has been in the league long enough to know what's what. He reads defenses well the majority of the time and he's continuing to improve at that. He has a great arm and can make all the throws, including deep outs that don't hang in the air. And he runs extremely well. The Bills offense this year was not built to take full advantage of Taylor's mobility but it will be next year. Bottom line, huge upside. I realize the Bills were burned by falling in love too quickly with Fitz. There is no rush to re-do Taylor's contract. But if the Bills finish strong (could still miss the playoffs due to EJ's blown games) I think they'll re-sign him in the spring. As yourself if you've enjoyed waiting for Jim Kelly's successor to appear. Taylor isn't Kelly but he's the best we've had since Kelly.
Bills Fan in MD Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Still not liking the idea of paying him because it would cost X amount to replace him. He needs to prove his worth imo. To reiterate some comments posted and then some He needs to show he can stay healthy He needs to show he can play well for more than 1 season He needs to show he can win it in the air as well as on the ground Might be I missed the reply. Please answer - How in the hell are the Skins going to afford KC @ $17 Mil and RGIII's $15 Mil in 2016? Washington picked up his option for 2016, but it's only guaranteed for injury. As long as he stays healthy (i.e., he'll NEVER see the field this year), they can cut him in the offseason and owe him nothing for next year. Edited November 18, 2015 by Bills Fan in MD
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Taylor is 5-2 as a starter, with losses only to New England and Cincinnati. He has won on the road and he has won when most of his offensive weapons have been hurt. He has particular strengths including leadership that are hard to find. Just as important, there is no aspect to his game which is below average, except his height, and tell than to Russell Wilson. He has been in the league long enough to know what's what. He reads defenses well the majority of the time and he's continuing to improve at that. He has a great arm and can make all the throws, including deep outs that don't hang in the air. And he runs extremely well. The Bills offense this year was not built to take full advantage of Taylor's mobility but it will be next year. Bottom line, huge upside. I realize the Bills were burned by falling in love too quickly with Fitz. There is no rush to re-do Taylor's contract. But if the Bills finish strong (could still miss the playoffs due to EJ's blown games) I think they'll re-sign him in the spring. As yourself if you've enjoyed waiting for Jim Kelly's successor to appear. Taylor isn't Kelly but he's the best we've had since Kelly. A small correction (or 2) sir. - TT lost to NE (32-40) and NY Giants (10-24). EJ played the Bungles better than many expected. For clarity EJ blew 1 game - the JAGS. I can honestly say that TT blew the game against the Cheatriots where he had 3 INT's in the game, 2 of which buried the team in a 37-13 hole that they couldn't climb out of, and the same can be said for the Giants game. Another note - he barely squeaked by the Titans team as well (14-13). TT has struggled to move the offense consistently game to game. I do not believe that I am being over critical of Tyrod but a fair assessment of what needs to be improved upon. I think that people are falling in love too quickly with Taylor. Edited November 18, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
BarleyNY Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Still not liking the idea of paying him because it would cost X amount to replace him. He needs to prove his worth imo. To reiterate some comments posted and then some He needs to show he can stay healthy He needs to show he can play well for more than 1 season He needs to show he can win it in the air as well as on the ground Agree with this totally. He's played 7 games, people.
Bill from NYC Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Odds that Taylor holds out next year after we make the playoffs this year? Dude is set to make only $4mil.I am thinking that you are 100% correct. If we make the playoffs, this kid will never again play for 4 million dollars.
reddogblitz Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 And EJ would be gone. . . All roads lead to EJ.
GunnerBill Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I am thinking that you are 100% correct. If we make the playoffs, this kid will never again play for 4 million dollars. If we make the play-offs no way Buffalo asks him to.
BarleyNY Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Taylor is 5-2 as a starter, with losses only to New England and Cincinnati. He has won on the road and he has won when most of his offensive weapons have been hurt. He has particular strengths including leadership that are hard to find. Just as important, there is no aspect to his game which is below average, except his height, and tell than to Russell Wilson. He has been in the league long enough to know what's what. He reads defenses well the majority of the time and he's continuing to improve at that. He has a great arm and can make all the throws, including deep outs that don't hang in the air. And he runs extremely well. The Bills offense this year was not built to take full advantage of Taylor's mobility but it will be next year. Bottom line, huge upside. I realize the Bills were burned by falling in love too quickly with Fitz. There is no rush to re-do Taylor's contract. But if the Bills finish strong (could still miss the playoffs due to EJ's blown games) I think they'll re-sign him in the spring. As yourself if you've enjoyed waiting for Jim Kelly's successor to appear. Taylor isn't Kelly but he's the best we've had since Kelly. I disagree with a lot of this. Start with your leadership comment. Why is he considered a great leader right now? I'm not saying that he is or that he isn't, just that there's precious little evidence either way right now. As for aspects of his game that are below average I'd say that his issues going through his progressions and reading defenses is a place where he is below average right now. Plus, as you noted, his height is below the generally accepted minimum (6'1" vs. 6'2"). Big arm? Yup. Can make all of the throws? Yup. Mobile? Yup again. But I want to address your comment that the Bills current offense is not built to take full advantage of TT's mobility. I couldn't disagree more. It is relied on too much, if anything. This isn't JT Barrett at Ohio State. TT is listed at 6'1", 215#. If he was better at his progressions - like he needs to be - they'd run him less because of how dangerous it is from a potential injury perspective. At that size it will be difficult for him to last if he continues to take hits. Notably, he has been doing a better job of sliding and otherwise avoiding hits since he's been back from injury. I don't mean to be overly critical of him, but he has important aspects of his game that he needs to improve upon. The Bills need to see at least some improvement in some of those areas before they commit big money to him.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 If we make the play-offs no way Buffalo asks him to. Even with Gilmore, Incognito, Bradham, Woods, and Glenn to work on? That's a whole lot of negotiating that needs to get done this offseason. I agree that QB would most likely become the top priority, and Glenn and Bradham would be allowed to walk (since we can draft to replace). But I dont think it's that easy to predict just how this will all shake out.
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