Tiberius Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Practically, you're advocating a system where they're subject not to the law, but to the whims of any idiot who can write an executive order. You're an immoral, heartless !@#$ing idiot. Stop hiding your true wishes behind pettyfogged interpretations of the law. Of course the executive branch can interpret how laws are to be enforced . Dingbat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Stop hiding your true wishes behind pettyfogged interpretations of the law. Of course the executive branch can interpret how laws are to be enforced . Dingbat In other words: you are consciously advocating a system where people are subject to whims of rulers and not the rule of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 In other words: you are consciously advocating a system where people are subject to whims of rulers and not the rule of law. More pettifogging. First. This was not done on a whim, so your point is deceiving and stupid. Second, Congress and the courts could have adjusted this or done something else had they wanted and so far they have not. Heck, even the clown that was screaming about this has left it in place, not even he has had the will to, on a whim, change it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) F5 In other words: you are consciously advocating a system where people are subject to whims of rulers and not the rule of law. Isn't that sort of the Trump way?😁😉 Edited September 4, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 F5 Isn't that sort of the Trump way? Yeah...and the only reason Trump can get away with it is because it was the Obama way as well. Much, much harder to rescind a law than your predecessor's executive orders. Gatorman's part of the problem...because that is what you get when you advocate a system where people are subject to whims of rulers and not the rule of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 Report: Trump Will End DACA With Six Month Delayby Mary Chastain Sources have leaked to Politico that President Donald Trump has decided to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program from the Obama administration. The sources stated that Trump will delay enforcement for six months and give Congress the opportunity to write proper immigration legislation. Remember, DACA is not a law or even an Executive Order. All DACA is a Department of Homeland Security policy that officials announced via memo. From Politico: Conversations with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who argued that Congress — rather than the executive branch — is responsible for writing immigration law, helped persuade the president to terminate the program, the two sources said, though White House aides caution that — as with everything in the Trump White House — nothing is set in stone until an official announcement has been made. In a nod to reservations held by many lawmakers, the White House plans to delay the enforcement of the president’s decision for six months, giving Congress a window to act, according to one White House official. But a senior White House aide said that chief of staff John Kelly, who has been running the West Wing policy process on the issue, “thinks Congress should’ve gotten its act together a lot longer ago.” Typical reaction to come. Jon Cooper ✔@joncoopertweets BREAKING: In a cruel and disgusting effort to throw another bone to his racist base, Trump has decided to end DACA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 And what will happen if Congress doesn't act in six months? I see the splits in the Republican Party being the biggest hurdle. Will Trump start deporting 800,000 Dreamers? Where will they go? What are the logistics of rounding them up without violence, and transporting them to another country? What if those countries refuse to take them? What if organizations like churches provide sanctuary, will ICE go in and arrest the Americans for aiding criminals? We should be given the specifics of how this DACA red line will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Report: Trump Will End DACA With Six Month Delay by Mary Chastain Sources have leaked to Politico that President Donald Trump has decided to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program from the Obama administration. The sources stated that Trump will delay enforcement for six months and give Congress the opportunity to write proper immigration legislation. Remember, DACA is not a law or even an Executive Order. All DACA is a Department of Homeland Security policy that officials announced via memo. From Politico: Conversations with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who argued that Congress — rather than the executive branch — is responsible for writing immigration law, helped persuade the president to terminate the program, the two sources said, though White House aides caution that — as with everything in the Trump White House — nothing is set in stone until an official announcement has been made. In a nod to reservations held by many lawmakers, the White House plans to delay the enforcement of the president’s decision for six months, giving Congress a window to act, according to one White House official. But a senior White House aide said that chief of staff John Kelly, who has been running the West Wing policy process on the issue, “thinks Congress should’ve gotten its act together a lot longer ago.” Typical reaction to come. Giving Congress an ultimatum is usually necessary, but I just question right now whether Congress doesn't have enough on its plate right now. It's possible that Democrats and moderate Republicans can give amnesty to these kids through a bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 And what will happen if Congress doesn't act in six months? I see the splits in the Republican Party being the biggest hurdle. Will Trump start deporting 800,000 Dreamers? Where will they go? What are the logistics of rounding them up without violence, and transporting them to another country? What if those countries refuse to take them? What if organizations like churches provide sanctuary, will ICE go in and arrest the Americans for aiding criminals? We should be given the specifics of how this DACA red line will work. so now you want specifics on our laws mechanics? We go talk about the health-care bill first, because I'd really like to know how that works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 And what will happen if Congress doesn't act in six months? I see the splits in the Republican Party being the biggest hurdle. Will Trump start deporting 800,000 Dreamers? Where will they go? What are the logistics of rounding them up without violence, and transporting them to another country? What if those countries refuse to take them? What if organizations like churches provide sanctuary, will ICE go in and arrest the Americans for aiding criminals? We should be given the specifics of how this DACA red line will work. There's existing laws and regulations that cover that. Only the far left would have a problem such as "Explain to me how the law we've been studiously ignoring is going to work?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Obama lawyer who worked on DACA admits it’s probably unconstitutional Nicholas Kristof accidentally discovers downside of government database controlled by executive branch #DACA It appears that maybe illegal immigrants voluntarily adding their names to a government database wasn’t the best plan after all: Nicholas KristofVerified account @NickKristofFollow More Dreamers registered their addresses under DACA, so now the government knows exactly where to go to arrest them and their parents. 8:07 PM - 3 Sep 2017 Hey, conservatives have been warning about executive overreach for years. What did libs think would happen? Like many people, they bet on Hillary winning. Remember, these are the same people who trust the government with a national gun registry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 Live by the memorandum, die by the memorandum. AG Jeff Sessions: “DACA is being rescinded” “Wind down process” in which “Congress can act if it should so choose” What ? No jack booted ICE officials beating down doors ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Live by the memorandum, die by the memorandum. AG Jeff Sessions: “DACA is being rescinded” “Wind down process” in which “Congress can act if it should so choose” What ? No jack booted ICE officials beating down doors ? "But Trump can't do this!" Yes he can, for the same reasons Obama could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 "But Trump can't do this!" Yes he can, for the same reasons Obama could. It will be fun to see which GOP Senators who voted against the Dream Act it in 2010 will change their minds like the one's who did on a straight ACA repeal. I love me some hypocrites. Only one of the five democratic Senators that voted against it is still in the Senate (Jon Tester - Montana). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 800,000 people were just told to go away. They were harming no one, had done nothing wrong but they are hated by the majority of voters of a certain party. Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 800,000 people were just told to go away. They were harming no one, had done nothing wrong but they are hated by the majority of voters of a certain party. Evil. Still advocating for people to be subject to the whims of rulers rather than the rule of law... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Still advocating for people to be subject to the whims of rulers rather than the rule of law... The Dream Act came up for a vote in 2010 and they could only get 55 votes with a Democratic Supermajority. The Republicans thanking Trump for returning to the rule of law where they attempt to give these kids/young adults a form of amnesty are disingenuous because they could have passed this years ago because it was and still is the right thing to do. Instead they played politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Still advocating for people to be subject to the whims of rulers rather than the rule of law... So it would be harmful in your opinion if these people were not tossed out of the country because it will lead to dictatorship? That really makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 The Dream Act came up for a vote in 2010 and they could only get 55 votes with a Democratic Supermajority. The Republicans thanking Trump for returning to the rule of law where they attempt to give these kids/young adults a form of amnesty are disingenuous because they could have passed this years ago because it was and still is the right thing to do. Instead they played politics. So to recap, a law that Obama couldn't get passed by his Supermajority Senate is only in its current state because of a disingenuous group of Republicans who didn't pass it either? Sheesh. Maybe you should figure out why 5 Dems voted it down. I'm willing to bet you'll find a more realistic story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 The Dream Act came up for a vote in 2010 and they could only get 55 votes with a Democratic Supermajority. The Republicans thanking Trump for returning to the rule of law where they attempt to give these kids/young adults a form of amnesty are disingenuous because they could have passed this years ago because it was and still is the right thing to do. Instead they played politics. It's all just racism. No reason to harass these people. They are defenseless and vulnerable so Trump and Sessions are throwing red meat to the haters out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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