JohnC Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Cornerstone? As in the foundation of the current team? The only player left is Eric Wood.........and it cost them perennial All Pro LT Jason Peters to get that pick. An interesting topic and discussion can be whether Jason Peters is worthy of consideration for the HOF? I'm not sure if he should be in the HOF but it it not unreasonable for him to be a serious candidate for the Hall. We brought in Derick Dockery and Langston Walker and grossly over paid them to shore up our OL. The organization couldn't come to terms with JP and ended up trading him for a pick that was used for Eric Wood. These damaging deals were made during the disastrous short stint of the Levy era. One doesn't have to agree with all of Whaley's personnel decisions to appreciate the fact that he is a competent GM who gives this historically troubled franchise a credible chance to seriously compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Cornerstone? As in the foundation of the current team? The only player left is Eric Wood.........and it cost them perennial All Pro LT Jason Peters to get that pick. LOL Jairus Byrd was an All Pro with the Bills. Levitre was an excellent guard. Wood.....well, he's been a starter. Three long term starters is a pretty good draft. Technically. It was less a bad draft than an example of how NOT to use your early picks. Rule of thumb: if you draft a guy early and he plays at or above expectations.....and he pans out and you won't pay him market rate as a free agent because you don't value that position.....then it was a poor use of a pick. Early rounds aren't for JAGs like Eric Wood, undersize OG's or cornebacks that are too slow so they have to be converted to safety. Early rounds you need to be getting prototypes at positions that are worthy of paying market value too if they pan out. Are you talking about Miller and Aaron Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 LOL Are you talking about Miller and Aaron Williams? I'd say that's applicable. Not a huge Aaron Williams fan. Didn't think it made any sense to reach for a slow corner in that draft year and he was truly terrible at corner first couple seasons. One of the NFL's worst. Had one nice season at safety for Pettine, but apparently unnoticed by some here.......a neck injury limited his effectiveness last year....and he's been out most of this season for that same injury. Appears that he is a tweener......not quick/fast enough to play corner but not built to play the more physical safety position. And time will tell with Miller.......if he turns into one of the best guards in the league and they let him leave in free agency when they have tons of cap room and no replacement......like they did Levitre........yeah that reflects a poor use of an early pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'd say that's applicable. Not a huge Aaron Williams fan. Didn't think it made any sense to reach for a slow corner in that draft year and he was truly terrible at corner first couple seasons. One of the NFL's worst. Had one nice season at safety for Pettine, but apparently unnoticed by some here.......a neck injury limited his effectiveness last year....and he's been out most of this season for that same injury. Appears that he is a tweener......not quick/fast enough to play corner but not built to play the more physical safety position. And time will tell with Miller.......if he turns into one of the best guards in the league and they let him leave in free agency when they have tons of cap room and no replacement......like they did Levitre........yeah that reflects a poor use of an early pick. Teams don't draft players worrying about their second contract. Levitre was asking for way more than he was worth, so the Bills let him walk. The mistake was not having a replacement, not letting him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Teams don't draft players worrying about their second contract. Wrong. The positions most likely to be addressed early are those more likely to receive large second contracts. Which is why we've seen less RB's drafted early in the past decade. Guards and centers fall in there as well and ILB's, safeties and TE's are only selected early if they are truly special athletes. QB's, pass rushers,OT's and more recently DT's and CB's......these are the big $ positions and that's what teams look for most often early in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Wrong. The positions most likely to be addressed early are those more likely to receive large second contracts. Which is why we've seen less RB's drafted early in the past decade. Guards and centers fall in there as well and ILB's, safeties and TE's are only selected early if they are truly special athletes. QB's, pass rushers,OT's and more recently DT's and CB's......these are the big $ positions and that's what teams look for most often early in the draft. Players drafted early are likely to receive large second contracts because they're usually the most talented players in a draft/coming into the league. Levitre was a good but not great player, and if he proved he was worth what he was asking for, which was Pro Bowler money, the Bills probably would have re-signed him. He proved he wasn't worth even half his contract, so the Bills made the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 An interesting topic and discussion can be whether Jason Peters is worthy of consideration for the HOF? I'm not sure if he should be in the HOF but it it not unreasonable for him to be a serious candidate for the Hall. Based on what? He's a good tackle. Top 10 in the league for sure. HOF? He's not Anthony Munoz or Ogden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PromoTheRobot Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Jairus Byrd was an All Pro with the Bills. Levitre was an excellent guard. Wood.....well, he's been a starter. Three long term starters is a pretty good draft. Technically. It was less a bad draft than an example of how NOT to use your early picks. Rule of thumb: if you draft a guy early and he plays at or above expectations.....and he pans out and you won't pay him market rate as a free agent because you don't value that position.....then it was a poor use of a pick. Early rounds aren't for JAGs like Eric Wood, undersize OG's or cornebacks that are too slow so they have to be converted to safety. Early rounds you need to be getting prototypes at positions that are worthy of paying market value too if they pan out. Like Sammy Watkins? An interesting topic and discussion can be whether Jason Peters is worthy of consideration for the HOF? I'm not sure if he should be in the HOF but it it not unreasonable for him to be a serious candidate for the Hall. We brought in Derick Dockery and Langston Walker and grossly over paid them to shore up our OL. The organization couldn't come to terms with JP and ended up trading him for a pick that was used for Eric Wood. These damaging deals were made during the disastrous short stint of the Levy era. One doesn't have to agree with all of Whaley's personnel decisions to appreciate the fact that he is a competent GM who gives this historically troubled franchise a credible chance to seriously compete. Jason Peters will be nominated for the Competitive Eating Hall of Fame. He could swallow 5 1/2 lb. cheeseburgers at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Look, I loved Kiko. He had a magic rookie year and I will not bad-mouth him. But watching Shady that night....that one play where on a third and short, when we really needed it, he was met 7 yards before the line of scrimmage. Most times, that's a crippling stop. But he broke free. The man may have run 20 yards total to get 4, but he does it when we need it the most. People who say that running backs are plug and play should ask why Whaley took 20 minutes to negotiate that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Players drafted early are likely to receive large second contracts because they're usually the most talented players in a draft/coming into the league. Levitre was a good but not great player, and if he proved he was worth what he was asking for, which was Pro Bowler money, the Bills probably would have re-signed him. He proved he wasn't worth even half his contract, so the Bills made the right move. Unfortunately the Bills were really hurting at big $ positions like QB, LT, DE, DT and WR during his career in Buffalo. 1st and 2nd round picks starting at safety though. 1st and 2nd round picks at C and G though. Two 1st round picks at RB and a 2nd round at ILB though. Every one of those guys are still active NFL players. Just one still plays for the Bills. That's the definition of poorly prioritizing the positions you draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Wrong. The positions most likely to be addressed early are those more likely to receive large second contracts. Which is why we've seen less RB's drafted early in the past decade. Guards and centers fall in there as well and ILB's, safeties and TE's are only selected early if they are truly special athletes. QB's, pass rushers,OT's and more recently DT's and CB's......these are the big $ positions and that's what teams look for most often early in the draft. But Miller is a mid-3rd round pick. He doesn't represent a huge draft investment. If they 3-4 good years out of him and he leaves, it's still a good pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 This is a LAMP post: I called this 6 months ago. Not specifically on the Kiko trade, but that Chip Kelly was wrecking the Eagles with his moves. While the media were talking Super Bowl I said the Eagles would be in the mix for the #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 This is a LAMP post: I called this 6 months ago. Not specifically on the Kiko trade, but that Chip Kelly was wrecking the Eagles with his moves. While the media were talking Super Bowl I said the Eagles would be in the mix for the #1 pick. A lot of folks were questioning the decision's Chip made last offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 A lot of folks were questioning the decision's Chip made last offseason. Yep. Promo was alone with 3,000,000 other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Yep. Promo was alone with 3,000,000 other people. I called that the 49ers were gonna suck this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I called that the 49ers were gonna suck this year! :lol: That was you?! By yourself?! On the bandwagon?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 A lot of folks were questioning the decision's Chip made last offseason. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000521865/article/super-bowl-50-predictions-packers-colts-among-picks Charley Casserly: Eagles over Colts. Chip Kelly's Sam Bradford gamble pays off in the form of a Super Bowl title, and Bradford cashes in as a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000521865/article/super-bowl-50-predictions-packers-colts-among-picks Charley Casserly: Eagles over Colts. Chip Kelly's Sam Bradford gamble pays off in the form of a Super Bowl title, and Bradford cashes in as a free agent. Woah, Casserly was wrong! You really are some sort of prophet. Did you predict the Pats to be good this year too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Will the Cowboys or Eagles win the NFC East? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000520809/article/2015-nfc-playoff-predictions-cowboys-or-eagles-in-the-east Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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