B-Man Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 It is, but not how you're thinking. In modern times it was phrase coined by Jean Kirkpatrick when she didn't want the US to be held accountable for its own atrocites at the UN. Since then its been used as a convenient way to deflect self criticism You are implying that her concern about moral equivalency was unfounded, but in reality many critics of The United States implied moral equivalence between The United States on one side and socialist/communist countries on the other. Kirkpatrick's Myth of Moral Equivalence is a compelling critique of those implying this criticism. And that Catholicism is a sect of Christianity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Today's soldiers recite prayers before killing innocent people. What world do you live in? They call it collateral damage. American soldiers who say a prayer don't kill in the name of God or Jesus. They pray for the strength to do their duty. For forgiveness for taking lives. For God to look out for them and their fellow soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 The jtsp gatorman justice triumvirate is here. The truth shall not be contained! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 And what idiots like you don't acknowledge is that Jewish extremists are also considered terrorists by the governments and are prosecuted and jailed. . Please point me to the global Jewish jihadist movement that's at the spear of violence on each populated continent? Stupid argument. If Jews were anywhere near as populous as the Islamics and as poor and spread out in dictatorships they would be just as bad. Like when Europe was underdeveloped and started the slave trade. It's about poverty, oppression and misery not religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) American soldiers who say a prayer don't kill in the name of God or Jesus. They pray for the strength to do their duty. For forgiveness for taking lives. For God to look out for them and their fellow soldiers. That's at best an incomplete version of what they pray for. And I say that, trust me, not trying to align myself with JTSP, whose opinions in this thread have been deplorable. Edited November 15, 2015 by Observer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 FLASHBACK: Obama on Oregon shooting: ‘We’re the only developed country where this happens.’ FLASHBACK: a month and a half ago, as a headline at Democrat house organ The Hill noted, Obama trumpeted that “Mass shootings are ‘something we should politicize.’” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 American soldiers who say a prayer don't kill in the name of God or Jesus. They pray for the strength to do their duty. For forgiveness for taking lives. For God to look out for them and their fellow soldiers. They come from a much more prosperous and therefore secular society. Material wealth, comfort and things like running water and electricity have really taken the edge off religion here. They saying there are no atheist in a fox hole has it's social wide ramifications as well. Those with running water don't curse the devil as much FLASHBACK: Obama on Oregon shooting: ‘We’re the only developed country where this happens.’ FLASHBACK: a month and a half ago, as a headline at Democrat house organ The Hill noted, Obama trumpeted that “Mass shootings are ‘something we should politicize.’” Newsflash! B-man is addicted to propaganda! Lol what a fool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 American soldiers who say a prayer don't kill in the name of God or Jesus. They pray for the strength to do their duty. For forgiveness for taking lives. For God to look out for them and their fellow soldiers. A true follower of the teachings of Jesus wouldn't even be fighting these wars in the first place. Jesus preached patience, forgiveness, he said not to cast judgement, he preached to turn the other cheek. If all Muslims and Christians followed the true teachings we wouldn't be in this mess. The jtsp gatorman justice triumvirate is here. The truth shall not be contained! Hey I challenged you guys to produce evidence from the Koran that supports these deplorable and evil actions and I'm still waiting. Instead of using blind hate and bigotry try using the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 You are implying that her concern about moral equivalency was unfounded, but in reality many critics of The United States implied moral equivalence between The United States on one side and socialist/communist countries on the other. Kirkpatrick's Myth of Moral Equivalence is a compelling critique of those implying this criticism. It's equally as compelling an argument today. We are not on a level with the Arab world, not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Stupid argument. If Jews were anywhere near as populous as the Islamics and as poor and spread out in dictatorships they would be just as bad. Like when Europe was underdeveloped and started the slave trade. It's about poverty, oppression and misery not religion You have to know history before you cite it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 There are more examples than can be listed from the past. Fransico Pizzaro handed a bible to the king of the Incas and when he threw it on the ground the Spanish launched an attack that slaughter thousands and enslaved millions. Same Christianity Well then we're cool. Nothing to see here folks because Christianity had many bad players 600 years ago. See how dumb that comparison is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 A true follower of the teachings of Jesus wouldn't even be fighting these wars in the first place. Jesus preached patience, forgiveness, he said not to cast judgement, he preached to turn the other cheek. If all Muslims and Christians followed the true teachings we wouldn't be in this mess. Hey I challenged you guys to produce evidence from the Koran that supports these deplorable and evil actions and I'm still waiting. Instead of using blind hate and bigotry try using the truth. I'm an evil Jew I don't read Korans. I also desecrate monasteries like the story in jtsp's home video Well then we're cool. Nothing to see here folks because Christianity had many bad players 600 years ago. See how dumb that comparison is? Wonder if the Lannisters and Starks hold some of the blame as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Well then we're cool. Nothing to see here folks because Christianity had many bad players 600 years ago. See how dumb that comparison is? Gator trying to use history to prove a point is always a bad idea since he's ignorant of the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 It just proves my point that it's not the religion really, it's the social, economic and political situation. They are more religious because they are poor, oppressed and miserable. That part of the world is underdeveloped and it creates unreasonable hatreds and violence. The religion is just the font that reflects it. Blaming Islam is stupid. Hell, even Bush realized that and invaded Iraq to create prosperity to try and stop this sort of thing, but the military is too blunt an instrument for this stuff So OBL was poor and oppressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 So OBL was poor and oppressed? Apparently Jihadi John came from a very well off UK family IIRC. But he probably felt poor and oppressed. I never should have gotten back on facebook. A girl I'm trying to hook up with posts, "Every wonder why ISIS doesn't attack Israel". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Stupid argument. If Jews were anywhere near as populous as the Islamics and as poor and spread out in dictatorships they would be just as bad. Like when Europe was underdeveloped and started the slave trade. It's about poverty, oppression and misery not religion Slavery predates Christianity (and any European nation state) by over two milennia. But you know, facts are hard when they get in the way of talking points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 So OBL was poor and oppressed? OBL came from one of Saudis wealthiest families. Al Zawahiri was a successful doctor. Atta came from a well to do family and was an engineer. The impoverished sand farmers are not the backbone of Queda or ISIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Gator trying to use history to prove a point is always a bad idea since he's ignorant of the subject. Greg, not unlike his claiming that quoting President Obama directly is "propaganda".........................hilarious Chilling similarity between photos of French President Hollande and George W. Bush on 9/11 hearing about attacks: Yes, in case you were wondering, people are already blaming the Jews for the Paris attacks: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Greg, not unlike his claiming that quoting President Obama directly is "propaganda".........................hilarious ] Truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Well then we're cool. Nothing to see here folks because Christianity had many bad players 600 years ago. See how dumb that comparison is? No, you are missing the point, as usual. No, I won't tell you the point yet again So OBL was poor and oppressed? No, but his movement went forward on the idea that his area of the world would be great once again, unlike it was in 2001, poor, oppressed and miserable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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