Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 Did you people see CP's cap figures for Moulds and Williams? Together, they alone will cost approx. 19 million of cap space in 06. Obviously this will never happen because one or both of them would be renegotiated or cut, but right now, they are both here! After this season, PW, if he remains, will be a year older, as will Vincent and Milloy. Clements is a UFA after the season. What I am driving at is (imo mind you), the Bills are poised to win NOW. Right now in 05, they are in a position to have a loaded football team and take a shot. Why on earth would they choose to put the football in the hands of an unproven qb? That's right, unproven. Despite posts comparing him to Kelly and Kemp, he is an unknown commodity and nothing else. I dont get it. Please, I am not sitting here thinking that I know as much as TD nor any coach, scout, etc. These men have forgotten more than I will ever learn about football, but you know what? Not all of their decisions are correct. I sure hope that this one is. This is going to be a nerve wracking situation until we bring in a competent backup. And PLEASE TD, KEEP KORDELL OUT OF WNY!!!!!!
obie_wan Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 Did you people see CP's cap figures for Moulds and Williams? Together, they alone will cost approx. 19 million of cap space in 06. Obviously this will never happen because one or both of them would be renegotiated or cut, but right now, they are both here! After this season, PW, if he remains, will be a year older, as will Vincent and Milloy. Clements is a UFA after the season. What I am driving at is (imo mind you), the Bills are poised to win NOW. Right now in 05, they are in a position to have a loaded football team and take a shot. Why on earth would they choose to put the football in the hands of an unproven qb? That's right, unproven. Despite posts comparing him to Kelly and Kemp, he is an unknown commodity and nothing else. I dont get it. Please, I am not sitting here thinking that I know as much as TD nor any coach, scout, etc. These men have forgotten more than I will ever learn about football, but you know what? Not all of their decisions are correct. I sure hope that this one is. This is going to be a nerve wracking situation until we bring in a competent backup. And PLEASE TD, KEEP KORDELL OUT OF WNY!!!!!! 241082[/snapback] you're right. the team is built to win now. pretty damming evidence that they have ZERO confidence that the known commodity can produce with the current supporting cast. Hence they are forced to take drastic steps to move forward.
Rico Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 What I am driving at is (imo mind you), the Bills are poised to win NOW. Right now in 05, they are in a position to have a loaded football team and take a shot.Why on earth would they choose to put the football in the hands of an unproven qb? 241082[/snapback] The bigger question is why on earth would they choose to put the football in the hands of a proven failure? Thank God they didn't.
Beerball Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 What I am driving at is (imo mind you), the Bills are poised to win NOW. Right now in 05, they are in a position to have a loaded football team and take a shot. Why on earth would they choose to put the football in the hands of an unproven qb? That's right, unproven. Despite posts comparing him to Kelly and Kemp, he is an unknown commodity and nothing else. I dont get it. This is going to be a nerve wracking situation until we bring in a competent backup. And PLEASE TD, KEEP KORDELL OUT OF WNY!!!!!! 241082[/snapback] If the Bills are poised to win NOW then they were also poised for the entire past season. It didn't happen despite the talent level. You feel that DB is getting too much of the blame, and we'll continue to disagree on that. Why put the team in the hands of an unproven QB? Because unproven is better than proven to fall short, imo. This team is good enough today but it did not happen. Time to turn the page.
LabattBlue Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 What I am driving at is (imo mind you), the Bills are poised to win NOW. Right now in 05, they are in a position to have a loaded football team and take a shot. Why on earth would they choose to put the football in the hands of an unproven qb? That's right, unproven. Despite posts comparing him to Kelly and Kemp, he is an unknown commodity and nothing else. I dont get it. 241082[/snapback] Bill...I am confident that TD will bring in a vet shortly after 3/1. If JP doesn't step up as the coaches and front office staff expect(or else they would not be making the decision to cut DB), the vet comes in and keeps the team competitive.
Shameless Homer Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 If the Bills are poised to win NOW then they were also poised for the entire past season. It didn't happen despite the talent level. You feel that DB is getting too much of the blame, and we'll continue to disagree on that. Why put the team in the hands of an unproven QB? Because unproven is better than proven to fall short, imo. This team is good enough today but it did not happen. Time to turn the page. 241182[/snapback] This is not entirely correct. McGahee did not play until after the 0-4 start. A poll was taken here about a month ago that asked; what would the Bills record have been had Willis played in the first 4 games. Most suggested, including many of Bledsoe's biggest detractors on this board, that we would have won at least 2 and as many as all 4 of those games. That means that the team we have right NOW our record would have been at LEAST 11-5 maybe 13-3. That was WITH Bledsoe. With 16 games of McGahee and a "mobile" quarterback I'm expecting at least 11 wins. Anything less will mean a mistake was made.
col_forbin Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 The bigger question is why on earth would they choose to put the football in the hands of a proven failure? Thank God they didn't. 241126[/snapback] Thank you. Why give your team to a person you know can't get the job done??? Why not take a shot and see what happens, if it doesn't work out you are no worse off than you were.
Steven in MD Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 TD must be held accountable for this decision. If the Bills fail to make the playoffs next season, Ralph must hold him accountable. Unfortunately, I think he will get a free pass should JP stuggle, because the excuse is he is a "rookie" QB. I think that JP is a raw talent, but I am not sure that we will catch the same lightening in a bottle that Pittsburgh caught. It takes 2-3 years for a QB to mature in this league, and if the team is poised to win now, you do not put in a rookie QB.
stevestojan Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 How many more seasons of Bledsoe not making the playoffs before you people would be OK with starting Losman? 1 more? 2 more?
1billsfan Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 Did you people see CP's cap figures for Moulds and Williams? Together, they alone will cost approx. 19 million of cap space in 06. Obviously this will never happen because one or both of them would be renegotiated or cut, but right now, they are both here! After this season, PW, if he remains, will be a year older, as will Vincent and Milloy. Clements is a UFA after the season. What I am driving at is (imo mind you), the Bills are poised to win NOW. Right now in 05, they are in a position to have a loaded football team and take a shot. Why on earth would they choose to put the football in the hands of an unproven qb? That's right, unproven. Despite posts comparing him to Kelly and Kemp, he is an unknown commodity and nothing else. I dont get it. Please, I am not sitting here thinking that I know as much as TD nor any coach, scout, etc. These men have forgotten more than I will ever learn about football, but you know what? Not all of their decisions are correct. I sure hope that this one is. This is going to be a nerve wracking situation until we bring in a competent backup. And PLEASE TD, KEEP KORDELL OUT OF WNY!!!!!! 241082[/snapback] Bledsoe played like a rookie at the Ralph against a Steelers team playing backups with nothing on the line. This loss was so shocking it literally cost him his job.
ganesh Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 I think the real question the bills asked themselves was can Drew Bledsoe take them to the super bowl. The game against the Steelers SCRUBS with everything on the line for a playoff berth showed that he cannot when we need to win. I liked Bledsoe as a player and enjoyed his 3 years stay here but it is time to move on. I am not saying JP will take us to the SB. But at least you know that DB will not, hence at least give a shot with him. The bills once again proved that they are class act all the way. They could have kept DB and cut him after June 1st and spread his cap hit, but they gave him an oppurtunity to make his own decision. Kudoes to RWS and TD and MM.
Snorom Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 Did you people see CP's cap figures for Moulds and Williams? Together, they alone will cost approx. 19 million of cap space in 06. Obviously this will never happen because one or both of them would be renegotiated or cut, but right now, they are both here! After this season, PW, if he remains, will be a year older, as will Vincent and Milloy. Clements is a UFA after the season. 241082[/snapback] Those numbers are off. Moulds restrucutred his contract and will cost the team about 6.5 million in 2006. Are you talking Mike Williams or Pat Williams. Pat is UFA so I will assume Mike Williams. Not sure about Mike W's 2006 cap number but I guarentee its not 12.5 million.
scribo Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 After this season, PW, if he remains, will be a year older, as will Vincent and Milloy.241082[/snapback] I think everyone on the team will be a year older in a year. Some might even be two years older. But probably not.
BillsNYC Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 Bledsoe played like a rookie at the Ralph against a Steelers team playing backups with nothing on the line. This loss was so shocking it literally cost him his job. 241348[/snapback] I was at that game, his throws were all over the place, there was no fire in him, and did not lead the team. That game proved to me that Drew will never take us to the playoffs.
Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2005 Author Posted February 16, 2005 Those numbers are off. Moulds restrucutred his contract and will cost the team about 6.5 million in 2006. Are you talking Mike Williams or Pat Williams. Pat is UFA so I will assume Mike Williams. Not sure about Mike W's 2006 cap number but I guarentee its not 12.5 million. 241397[/snapback] Moulds only did a simple restructure: 2005: $1.5 million salary (down from $5.5 million) 2006: $6.089 million (same) 2007: $7.25 million (added) The above is from CP, and he is talking about salary (not the bonus portion). MW cap numbers are: 2005: $9.17 million ($4 million salary, $2.17 million amort. , $3 million roster) 2006: same as 2005 2007: $7.17 million ($5 million salary, $2.17 million amort.) he also has a number of NLTBE's as well that could impact the cap. This too is from CP. Remember, I was speaking of 06. This adds up to 15 million plus, but without incentives. Anyway you slice it, it is an ugly picture indeed.
gantrules Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 They were poised to win in 2002. They were poised to win in 2003. As a matter of fact Drew basically guaranteed a playoff spot. 2004 was an unknown and they have their best season of the Drew era.
Snorom Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 Here's the best info I could find http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=1990017 Complete financial details were not yet available, since the contract has yet to be signed, but Moulds will likely earn $18 million to $19 million over the next three seasons. For 2005, Moulds will bank $6.5 million, the total due to him under his existing contract, but the money will be paid in a manner that will allow the Bills to recoup more than $3 million in cap room. Under the existing contract, Moulds was scheduled to receive a $1 million roster bonus and a base salary of $5.5 million. The reworked contract pays him a signing bonus of $5 million and a base salary of $1.5 million. By placing most of his '05 compensation in a signing bonus, which can be prorated over the term of the contract, the Bills reduced Moulds' salary cap charge from $8.6 million to slightly more than $5 million. From the above info it looks like Moulds received a 10.5 million signing bonus. Divide the bonus by 3 and you add 3.5 per year for amortisized bonus. He has a base salary of 1.5 million in 2005 (cap hit of 5 million). This means he probably has base salaries of 3 million in 2006 (cap hit of 6.5 million) , and 4 million in 2007 (cap hit of 7.5). If Moulds continues to play at a high level he may see another restructure in 2007, or he may get the ax. As for Mike Williams if he plays solid this year I'm sure the Bills will try to extend him The question is is he a team player and will he gice the Bills a chance to extend him and save us cash However your original post says 19 million cap hit between Mike and Eric.
Ray Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 I am very worried about JP as well. He could absolutely stink--like against the Pats this year. But we know where DB gets us. Although I still think DB would have given us the best chance for the playoffs this upcoming year. We just would not have beaten the Steelers or the Pats. I think that is where the decision was made. DB might get us to the 1st round but really no further. Face it, DB played well enough the last 8 games to get us to the playoffs. However, he will not do well against the teams with a great defense--I think that is where the decision was made.
Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2005 Author Posted February 16, 2005 Here's the best info I could find http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=1990017 From the above info it looks like Moulds received a 10.5 million signing bonus. Divide the bonus by 3 and you add 3.5 per year for amortisized bonus. He has a base salary of 1.5 million in 2005 (cap hit of 5 million). This means he probably has base salaries of 3 million in 2006 (cap hit of 6.5 million) , and 4 million in 2007 (cap hit of 7.5). If Moulds continues to play at a high level he may see another restructure in 2007, or he may get the ax. 241413[/snapback] Looking at CPs numbers, it is unlikely that Moulds will last beyond 05 as a Bill unless he restructures again.
1billsfan Posted February 16, 2005 Posted February 16, 2005 I was at that game, his throws were all over the place, there was no fire in him, and did not lead the team. That game proved to me that Drew will never take us to the playoffs. 241403[/snapback] It didn't look any better on TV. Good luck Drew.
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