TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 It's not moral relativism. It's basic psychology: you try to force people to be something they ain't, and they resist it. Particularly when you're talking about societies that have been stable and consistent for a couple millenia or so. You can dislike that all you want. But you can't address the problems of terrorism without admitting that's a contributing factor. You can't expect Durrani goat-herders in Kandahar to act like people in Odessa TX just because you think it's better for them. Blowback is absolutely a real thing, and I don't think there's a single adult participating in this thread who would disagree; but what's the alternative? Western colonialism happened. American economic empire happened. We can't un-ring that bell. (And even if we could, would we? I wouldn't.) So, as a result, this is where we sit. We're faced with a choice. If we want to carry on with a safer world, and global progress we can conquer and oppress; or we can spend our resources trying to shepherd the residents of the Middle East into the 21st century. But even if we choose to completely extract ourselves from the situation, it won't go away. Extremism is going to continue to run rampant in that area of the world given the build up of events, living conditions in the area, and lack of opportunity for young men. Imams are giving those young men a sense of purpose and self worth which is realistically unattainable to them by any other means. At this point, we have to fight; it's just a matter of determining if we want to fight for the best possible outcome, or for something else.
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 It was a very simple: is ethnic history important? Justify your answer. Chuckle, actually he said it was yes or no. You can't even follow along. That's a trait of a douche bag. Douche Bag Tom
FireChan Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Great, in which ways? So does that mean we end free trade and raise tariffs barriers again? And exactly which cultural identity does America have?? Football commercials? American Idol? The Big Mac? So I'm going to expand upon that when you've given me nothing? Edited November 17, 2015 by FireChan
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Why should I answer a question tasker asked you? Do you have a good reason or are you just being a child again? You are an idiot. I'm putting the questions to you. Answer if you like--you won't--but then don't blame me for thinking the questions silly
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Chuckle, actually he said it was yes or no. You can't even follow along. That's a trait of a douche bag. Douche Bag Tom " you should feel free to editorialize if you feel it is important in some ways, but not in others" He's actually TRYING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU, you idiot.
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Hey Tasker Do you believe that national borders, cultural identities, and ethnic history are important? answer yes or no Yes, I do.
Chef Jim Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 You are an idiot. I'm putting the questions to you. Answer if you like--you won't--but then don't blame me for thinking the questions silly Is it important? Absofukinglutely. Do we have any? Not any longer. Your turn. Yes, I do. Alrighty then people are chiming in on this conversation. Oh wait. Still waiting for one to answer.
....lybob Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Hey Tasker Do you believe that national borders, cultural identities, and ethnic history are important? answer yes or no Yes, I do. The world has gotten very small, and while we're post-colonial, we're very much imperial. And that's not a bad thing, because I'm not interested in giving up the American lifestyle at any class level, or the mobility available. However empire does require maintence, and maintenance requires involvement and proximity. The two options, given this, are Westerization or oppression. I'm in favor of Westerization. important but no so important that you'd give your lifestyle
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Yes, I do. You do realize this country has assimilated millions of different cultures, right? Why would Syrians be any different?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 It's not moral relativism. It's basic psychology: you try to force people to be something they ain't, and they resist it. Particularly when you're talking about societies that have been stable and consistent for a couple millenia or so. You can dislike that all you want. But you can't address the problems of terrorism without admitting that's a contributing factor. You can't expect Durrani goat-herders in Kandahar to act like people in Odessa TX just because you think it's better for them. And they're more than welcome to continue their goat-!@#$ing ways. In their old shithole countries, in their traditional goat-!@#$ing ways. Not here, not in Europe.
Chef Jim Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 You do realize this country has assimilated millions of different cultures, right? Why would Syrians be any different? That's the problem. They're not assimilating.
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 You do realize this country has assimilated millions of different cultures, right? Why would Syrians be any different? ... Your are participating in a thread about refugees in Europe. important but no so important that you'd give your lifestyle Economic empire, as was mentioned earlier in the conversation; not colonial empire. Try again.
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Blowback is absolutely a real thing, and I don't think there's a single adult participating in this thread who would disagree; but what's the alternative? Western colonialism happened. American economic empire happened. We can't un-ring that bell. (And even if we could, would we? I wouldn't.) So, as a result, this is where we sit. We're faced with a choice. If we want to carry on with a safer world, and global progress we can conquer and oppress; or we can spend our resources trying to shepherd the residents of the Middle East into the 21st century. But even if we choose to completely extract ourselves from the situation, it won't go away. Extremism is going to continue to run rampant in that area of the world given the build up of events, living conditions in the area, and lack of opportunity for young men. Imams are giving those young men a sense of purpose and self worth which is realistically unattainable to them by any other means. At this point, we have to fight; it's just a matter of determining if we want to fight for the best possible outcome, or for something else. Nice post Tasker. Let me just add that fighting isn't our only option. Wouldn't some sort of Marshall Plan in areas that would welcome it and that it has a chance to work be a better and cheaper way to go? Its good propaganda, its fixing the social problem of an area and helps bring areas into 21st century. ... Your are participating in a thread about refugees in Europe. Oh, some are already here and more could be on the way
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Nice post Tasker. Let me just add that fighting isn't our only option. Wouldn't some sort of Marshall Plan in areas that would welcome it and that it has a chance to work be a better and cheaper way to go? Its good propaganda, its fixing the social problem of an area and helps bring areas into 21st century. ... That's exactly what we were doing in Iraq before the current administration removed us.
....lybob Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 ... Your are participating in a thread about refugees in Europe. Economic empire, as was mentioned earlier in the conversation; not colonial empire. Try again. You believe cultural identities are important but you are in favor of westernization - what you really believe is that christian European cultural identities are important but other cultural identities not so much especially if it effects your standard of living.
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 That's the problem. They're not assimilating. Oh no!!!! http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/salsa-beats-ketchup-america-article-1.1489355 Salsa beats out ketchup as America's preferred condiment As Hispanics become more than a quarter of the U.S. Population, salsa becomes the No. 1 condiment in the country, passing ketchup. ... That's exactly what we were doing in Iraq before the current administration removed us. Probably should have picked a better place to try it, but maybe that place doesn't exist
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 You believe cultural identities are important but you are in favor of westernization - what you really believe is that christian European cultural identities are important but other cultural identities not so much especially if it effects your standard of living. The audacity of someone telling me what I believe... The reality is, as I said, that we cannot un-ring the bell. This is where we are, and the choice we have is as I presented it.
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 ... That's exactly what we were doing in Iraq before the current administration removed us. Oh ya, and BTW, that was a failure there. Perhaps belongs in the gov waste thread, but whatever
....lybob Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 The audacity of someone telling me what I believe... The reality is, as I said, that we cannot un-ring the bell. This is where we are, and the choice we have is as I presented it. Audacity is you stating what reality is - and speaking about un-ringing bells isn't that the whole purpose of ISIS, and to give it an American flavor the Johny reb "the south will arise again" types and of course conservatives and fundamentalists in general are all about un-ringing bells.
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Audacity is you stating what reality is - and speaking about un-ringing bells isn't that the whole purpose of ISIS, and to give it an American flavor the Johny reb "the south will arise again" types and of course conservatives and fundamentalists in general are all about un-ringing bells. Post less gibberish please.
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