Chef Jim Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 Well, that's the made-up crazy answer. The shorter, true answer is that some people view it as the good, compassionate thing to do to provide a haven for people in need and that we should do our share to help. That is the selfish answer. It makes them (the people letting them in not those being let in) feel good. My question is how is letting these refugees help in the greater good of the country/society?
DC Tom Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 I agree with you, but with a caveat: If the refugees come from a culture significantly different from our own, then steps need to be taken to keep our citizens safe from the people we're trying to help. It's not like the US is unfamiliar with integrating foreign nationals into our society - in fact, our nation has historically benefited from it. It's plain to see that the refugee situation in both Paris and Germany have reached crisis proportions, so we would be foolish if we followed the same path as them and expected anything different than what's happening over there. In no small part because the French and Germans treat refugees as immigrants. There is an important difference - immigrants choose to migrate, refugees are forced to migrate. It's yet another example of the arrogance of the West in saying "You're here, why wouldn't you want to be one of us?" It's a sensible question for immigrants, but absolutely stupid applied to refugees.
Nanker Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 IMO, Refugees should be kept as close as safe and humanly possible near their homeland while the hostilities that drove them into exodus are ongoing. They should be relocated as soon as possible to their homeland once it's been stabilized. They should not be whisked away in an artificially accelerated diaspora off to the four corners of the globe by well-intentioned humanitarians with the object for them to be integrated with and assimilated into an environment, society, and culture that is a diametric impedance mismatch to their own cultural and religious beliefs, morays, and fundamental identity.
Dante Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 Welcome to planet Earth I'm not sure what planet you're on. We weren't responsible for that mess over there resulting in millions of refugees and ISIS running around slaughtering thousands? What dimension do you hang in?
Cugalabanza Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) We weren't responsible for that mess over there resulting in millions of refugees and ISIS running around slaughtering thousands? What dimension do you hang in? I never said that. I never wanted any of those wars, going back two Bushes ago. The topic was the refugees. But I guess we're opening it up to time travel. In that case, let's go back a couple decades and re-think our position. Edited November 2, 2016 by Cugalabanza
Azalin Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 There is an important difference - immigrants choose to migrate, refugees are forced to migrate. You're right. That's a significant distinction that probably doesn't occur to most people. I could understand Germany's reluctance to place the refugees in camps (can you just imagine the blow-back from that?), but it's obvious that the streets of Berlin and Paris isn't a good place for them, both on their behalf and that of the native citizenry. I agree. Well said.
DC Tom Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 You're right. That's a significant distinction that probably doesn't occur to most people. I could understand Germany's reluctance to place the refugees in camps (can you just imagine the blow-back from that?), but it's obvious that the streets of Berlin and Paris isn't a good place for them, both on their behalf and that of the native citizenry. You're an idiot. You wouldn't know a fact if you had one shoved up your ass. You should grow head-first in the ground like all the other turnips... ...wait...what? You said I'm right? You agreed with me? Never mind...
Azalin Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 You're an idiot. You wouldn't know a fact if you had one shoved up your ass. You should grow head-first in the ground like all the other turnips... ...wait...what? You said I'm right? You agreed with me? Never mind... It was about time you called me an idiot. I was beginning to feel left out. Speaking of turnips:
Prickly Pete Posted November 2, 2016 Author Posted November 2, 2016 Well, that's the made-up crazy answer. The shorter, true answer is that some people view it as the good, compassionate thing to do to provide a haven for people in need and that we should do our share to help. By bombing their countries, creating the refugee crisis, and then turning around and telling people in our own countries that they are racist if they don't want to accept, and pay for these refugees.
B-Man Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 NICE WORK, ANGELA: Berlin Prepares to Admit Defeat on Refugees? Germany is trying to walk back its open door promises on refugees and migrants even further, with the Interior Ministry reportedly looking to Australia as a model. The EU Observer explains that the proposed system would seek to intercept migrants at sea and send them back to North Africa. . . . The plight of refugees is perhaps the greatest moral dilemma of our time, and the past few years have been blighted by short-sighted and counter-productive thinking about the issue. Naive policymakers on both sides of the Atlantic have allowed these awful refugee crises to persist and grow. Meanwhile, the inability to slow the flow of refugees has created a nightmare on the continent, enabling and ennobling far-right politicians and pulling at the fragile bonds of community upon which hold together the European political community. Unwillingness to attack the problem at its source in Syria and North Africa is the original sin, but it’s hardly the only sin. If Germany gets tougher on migrants, the usual suspects will repeat the usual platitudes about human rights and values. In just the past two weeks, for example, the Australian model has been repeatedly attacked by the editorial board of The New York Times. Moral preening, coupled with a studied inability to recognize real political and social limits of a controversial policy, has amplified an already-grim situation. Hopefully Berlin is finally beginning to sober up. Angela Merkel, who needs to sober up, has been held out by Hillary as a role model
Ozymandius Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfkDzXuWhkk
IDBillzFan Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfkDzXuWhkk The title of that video almost has nothing to do with what the woman was vlogging about. She was noting the diversity of the different parts of Paris. She referenced the Jewish part of town as 'elegant' and 'with multiple delights. But then I go to the actually Youtube link, read the comments, and realize your skinhead pals used this video to make a point that had pretty much nothing to do with what the woman reported. In fact, l completely missed where she asks "Is this Africa?" But hey...skinheads gotta skinhead, amirite?
Ozymandius Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 The title of that video almost has nothing to do with what the woman was vlogging about. She was noting the diversity of the different parts of Paris. She referenced the Jewish part of town as 'elegant' and 'with multiple delights. But then I go to the actually Youtube link, read the comments, and realize your skinhead pals used this video to make a point that had pretty much nothing to do with what the woman reported. In fact, l completely missed where she asks "Is this Africa?" But hey...skinheads gotta skinhead, amirite? Are you lonely, LABillz? Need friends? We could be the greatest friends you've ever had.
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 Go post this **** at Stormfront where you belong.
Ozymandius Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 Go post this **** at Stormfront where you belong. You're so out of touch. TheRightStuff.biz, MPCdot.com, DailyStormer, etc lol, Stormfront
meazza Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 You're so out of touch. TheRightStuff.biz, MPCdot.com, DailyStormer, etc lol, Stormfront Yes he's out of touch with disgusting white supremacists such as yourself. Go to hell.
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 You're so out of touch. Thank !@#$ing God for that.
IDBillzFan Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 Thank !@#$ing God for that. Keep this up and he's not going to show you the special Skinhead Brotherhood handshake.
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 Keep this up and he's not going to show you the special Skinhead Brotherhood handshake. I've had enough neo-Nazi bull **** the past several days to last a lifetime. Hell, I've studied actual Nazis for a lifetime, and it's only in the past few days that I've gotten sick of Nazi ****. I can't even enjoy the irony that neo-Nazis are exactly the types of people the Nazis killed. That's right, Ozy, you dumb bucket of ****...in Nazi Germany, your nonsense would have gotten you executed - not "imprisoned," not "put in a camp," but killed outright - as an asocial element. You're not a race warrior. You're not a revolutionary. You're a bag of dicks that the Nazis purged.
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