Maury Ballstein Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Betting at these sites definitely isn't gambling. Winning regularly is not related to luck. The reason I don't think it should be legal is I don't think it's related to skill either, its related to knowledge and computer algorithms that most people don't have access too. It's a swindle. What are you talking about ? If you pay 500.00 to win 4500 against 10 other people it's gambling. How much simpler can a gambling transaction be ? Lose 500 four times a month, don't pay the mortgage and continue to not call it gambling.
Maury Ballstein Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Your wrong Your wrongHope this isn't a reply to me. If so please elaborate how gambling isn't gambling. I put up 500.00 my team is one of the 90% that doesn't win, I lost 500.00. GAMBLING. Edited November 19, 2015 by Ryan L Billz
17 Josh Allen Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Please go back a read my thread A few posts back and read the federal law that President Bush signed 2007 Internet Gambling act law. it excepts Fantasy sports because they do not consider it gambling because it's a skill based game. They made a provision in the federal law to keep fantasy sports legal at the federal level the problem is each state interprets there law in the own way to protect there interests. Daily fantasy sports has been running in NYS since 2009. NYS AG knows this and he takes money from the casino lobby and Indian gambling. now that Daily Fantasy sports has become big, it's now a threat. The only thing that changed in the last few weeks is the NYS AG opnion and him looking out to the gambling operations, Casinos, Indian casinos, Horse Racing and lottery that he took campaign money from. While other states are passing bills to make sure it's legal in there state and so they can get there cut and regulate it and tax it. This guy just shuts it down, please go read my very long post about it a few post up from here. Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback
Maury Ballstein Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Please go back a read my thread I few posts up and read the federal law that President Bush signed 2007 Internet Gambling act law. it excepts Fantasy sports because they do not consider it gambling because it's a skill based game. They made a provision in the federal law to keep fantasy sports legal at the federal level the problem is each state interprets the law in the own way to protect the interests. Daily fantasy sports has been running in NYS since 2009. NYS AG knows this and he takes money from the casino lobby and Indian gambling. now that Daily Fantasy sports has become big, it's now a threat. The only thing that changed in the last few weeks is the NYS AG opnion and him looking out to the gambling operations, Casinos, Indian casinos, Horse Racing and lottery that he took campaign money from. While other states are passing bills to make sure it's legal in there state and so they can get there cut and regulate it and tax it. This guy just shuts it down, please go read my very long post about it a few post up from here. Wagering units of American currency on nfl players stats is skill and not gambling. Ok. Whose the master with all of the "skills". Biff or Nostradamus ? I like gambling and think it all should be legal. I play more poker than I probably should and have won and lost a ton betting NFL. It is gambling period. Spare me the legal mumbo jumbo which is now under fire as the "skill" aspect is flimsy at best
17 Josh Allen Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Again you have no idea what your talking about. read the federal law that excepts Fantasy Football because it's skill based. President bush signed the law it's legal to play in 44 states. Now because it's gotten big the states want a cut of the action. I dare you to read what really is going on and get your head out of the sand. Massachusetts attorney general proposes broad regulations on DFS sites http://dailyfantasytalk.com/2015/11/19/massachusetts-attorney-general-proposes-broad-regulations-dfs-sites/ Draft kings law suit against NYS AG http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DK-TRO.pdf fab duels law suit against NYS AG http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/fanduel-doc-3.pdf http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/09/19/should-gambling-on-fantasy-football-be-legal/ read this first so you understand the federal law and how it's legal and why it's not gambling it's a contest that's skill based https://ecolawgical.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/fantasy-games-and-their-exemption-from-the-status-of-online-gambling/ Wagering units of American currency on nfl players stats is skill and not gambling. Ok. Whose the master with all of the "skills". Biff or Nostradamus ? I like gambling and think it all should be legal. I play more poker than I probably should and have won and lost a ton betting NFL. It is gambling period. Spare me the legal mumbo jumbo which is now under fire as the "skill" aspect is flimsy at best
Maury Ballstein Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Again you have no idea what your talking about. read the federal law that excepts Fantasy Football because it's skill based. President bush signed the law it's legal to play in 44 states. Now because it's gotten big the states want a cut of the action. I dare you to read what really is going on and get your head out of the sand. Massachusetts attorney general proposes broad regulations on DFS siteshttp://dailyfantasytalk.com/2015/11/19/massachusetts-attorney-general-proposes-broad-regulations-dfs-sites/ Draft kings law suit against NYS AG http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DK-TRO.pdf fab duels law suit against NYS AG http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/fanduel-doc-3.pdfhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/09/19/should-gambling-on-fantasy-football-be-legal/ read this first so you understand the federal law and how it's legal and why it's not gambling it's a contest that's skill based https://ecolawgical.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/fantasy-games-and-their-exemption-from-the-status-of-online-gambling/ wonderful, now good luck to you not losing money aka gambling when you play your game of skill. Bwahahaha. Believe what they tell you.
bobobonators Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Wagering units of American currency on nfl players stats is skill and not gambling. Ok. Whose the master with all of the "skills". Biff or Nostradamus ? I like gambling and think it all should be legal. I play more poker than I probably should and have won and lost a ton betting NFL. It is gambling period. Spare me the legal mumbo jumbo which is now under fire as the "skill" aspect is flimsy at best The skill aspect is not flimsy at best b/c "skill" is specifically mentioned as one of the reasons why joining a fantasy prize league is legal under the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006: "All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events." Daily fantasy leagues comply with the Act's requirement that no winning outcome be based on: `(aa) on the score, point-spread, or any performance or performances of any single real-world team or any combination of such teams; or `(bb) solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event. So federally they appear to be clear..the dog and pony show with NYS will eventually come to an end, considering the amount of professional sports teams that NY has and its high population. Edited November 19, 2015 by bobobonators
17 Josh Allen Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 I find this very funny http://dailyfantasytalk.com/2015/11/18/tout-site-offers-100k-to-nyc-public-schools-if-ag-can-beat-a-daily-fantasy-professional/ just a small little sample of the article click on link above to read the whole article Rankled by the New York Attorney General’s assertion that daily fantasy sports is a “contest of chance” and therefore illegal gambling, Doug Norrie and James Davis have issued a challenge to the AG in the form of an old-fashioned wager. If Attorney General Eric Schneiderman can beat a daily fantasy professional, they’ll donate $100,000 to New York City Public Schools. “Attorney General Schneiderman’s claim that daily fantasy is not a game of skill was so absurd that we knew we had to call him out in some way,” said Davis, who along with Norrie operates DailyFantasySportsRankings.com, a site that offers DFS recommendations. “We wanted to make an offer good enough to at least get his attention to the issue, so we settled on offering $100,000 to New York City Public Schools (or a charity of his choice) if he were interested in backing up his claim. We are certain that he’d have something like a zero percent chance of beating an actual DFS pro over a 100-contest sample, so it never felt very risky to us.”
reddogblitz Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Pretty good odds I would imagine you could turn that into like 2 million based off the TV adds. Pick your players, then pick up your cash.
Maury Ballstein Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 The skill aspect is not flimsy at best b/c "skill" is specifically mentioned as one of the reasons why joining a fantasy prize league is legal under the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006: "All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events." Daily fantasy leagues comply with the Act's requirement that no winning outcome be based on: `(aa) on the score, point-spread, or any performance or performances of any single real-world team or any combination of such teams; or `(bb) solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event. So federally they appear to be clear..the dog and pony show with NYS will eventually come to an end, considering the amount of professional sports teams that NY has and its high population. Cool. But let's face some hard facts. What is the guy who lost 20,000 playing games of skill going to say when his wife leaves him ? I wasn't gambling baby. It was a game of skill ! I'm not a gambler !
bobobonators Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Cool. But let's face some hard facts. What is the guy who lost 20,000 playing games of skill going to say when his wife leaves him ? I wasn't gambling baby. It was a game of skill ! I'm not a gambler ! LMAO..i hear ya. All I'm saying is that the federal government specifically carved out fantasy sports from the Act, partly b/c they viewed it as a game of skill...which goes directly against what this clown in NY is saying. I'd personally rather be on the side of the Feds when it comes to these kinds of matters. Now, I no longer live in NY so I don't care, but there are too many people in NY, and too many professional sports teams in NY and thus too much interest in fantasy sports in NY, for this clown to fight the "skill" argument when the federal government specifically states in the Act that fantasy leagues are not a problem. Maybe this would fly in Montana with a population of 20 people and no professional sports teams..but this guy is fighting an uphill battle in NY and will probably ultimately suffer for it. Edited November 19, 2015 by bobobonators
17 Josh Allen Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) it's a contest that you win money in. Gambling is betting on point spreads and if a team wins or loses. Then when it's over and you lose the casino keeps your money. Fan Duel and Draft Kings does not do that. why don't you get this, it's takes skill to win, to research and make good lineups. let's play a game this week right on this forum using your lineup and my lineup. I will enter both line ups in a 1 dollar contest then I will take screen shots to show the outcome from Draft kings, what do you say smarty pants. no money just a chance to show you you have no idea what the hell your talking about. In Poker you get random cards delt from a deck you have no choice which cards you will start with isn't that really a chance gambling play, then you adjust your way of betting or thinking based on the cards that a delt to you or then flopped during the contest or poker hand. In Fantasy sports you and only you decide which players to form your line up with based on your research ( Not like poker where you have no choice with the cards your delt) and skill of what the best match ups are and how it will construct a good line up to win against other contestants and not the casino or house. So what do you say want to make a fool of your self in this fourm. Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback
Maury Ballstein Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) it's a contest that you win money in. Gambling is betting on point spreads and if a team wins or loses. Then when it's over and you lose the casino keeps your money. Fan Duel and Draft Kings does not do that. why don't you get this, it's takes skill to win, to research and make good lineups. let's play a game this week right on this forum using your lineup and my lineup. I will enter both line ups in a 1 dollar contest then I will take screen shots to show the outcome from Draft kings, what do you say smarty pants. no money just a chance to show you you have no idea what the hell your talking about. In Poker you get random cards delt from a deck you have no choice which cards you will star with that is really a chance play, then you adjust your way of betting or thinking based on the cards that a delt to you or then flopped during the contest or poker hand. in Fantasy sports you and only you decide which players form your line up based on your research and skill of what the best match ups are and how it will construct a good line up to win against other contestants and not the casino or house. So what do you say want to make a fool of your self in this fourm.First off I'll wax your arse, and win or lose it won't prove anything. I don't eat ramen soup and I don't "gamble" for 1 dollar Need a few more zeros bro. I'm a gambler and I admit it. Draft kings and fan duel don't get to keep juice or a vig like casinos ? Interesting and false take. They are raking in the cash, and are not a non profit organization. Get real. Edited November 19, 2015 by Ryan L Billz
17 Josh Allen Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) LMAO..i hear ya. All I'm saying is that the federal government specifically carved out fantasy sports from the Act, partly b/c they viewed it as a game of skill...which goes directly against what this clown in NY is saying. I'd personally rather be on the side of the Feds when it comes to these kinds of matters. Now, I no longer live in NY so I don't care, but there are too many people in NY, and too many professional sports teams in NY and thus too much interest in fantasy sports in NY, for this clown to fight the "skill" argument when the federal government specifically states in the Act that fantasy leagues are not a problem. Maybe this would fly in Montana with a population of 20 people and no professional sports teams..but this guy is fighting an uphill battle in NY and will probably ultimately suffer for it. it's a contest that you win money in. Gambling is betting on point spreads and if a team wins or loses. Then when it's over and you lose the casino keeps your money. Fan Duel and Draft Kings does not do that. why don't you get this, it's takes skill to win, to research and make good lineups. let's play a game this week right on this forum using your lineup and my lineup. I will enter both line ups in a 1 dollar contest then I will take screen shots to show the outcome from Draft kings, what do you say smarty pants. no money just a chance to show you you have no idea what the hell your talking about. In Poker you get random cards delt from a deck you have no choice which cards you will start with isn't that really a chance gambling play, then you adjust your way of betting or thinking based on the cards that a delt to you or then flopped during the contest or poker hand. In Fantasy sports you and only you decide which players to form your line up with based on your research ( Not like poker where you have no choice with the cards your delt) and skill of what the best match ups are and how it will construct a good line up to win against other contestants and not the casino or house. So what do you say want to make a fool of your self in this fourm. Edited by billsareback, Today, 01:08 PM. First off I'll wax your arse, and win or lose it won't prove anything. I don't eat ramen soup and I don't "gamble" for 1 dollar Need a few more zeros bro. I'm a gambler and I admit it. Draft kings and fan duel don't get to keep juice or a vig like casinos ? Interesting and false take. They are raking in the cash, and are not a non profit organization. Get real. your just plain stupid, you couldn't beat me even if you had help a IBM super Computer you maybe good at poker but your Azzz is mine when it comes to Daily Fantasy football. So go run your mouth some where else like a poker fourm.I feel a serious beat down coming in a daily fantasy football contest I'm just waiting for this clown to step up to the plate and stop his crying. why don't you go get your fake poker chips out and go play some poker with you over weight beer guzzling buddies and stop talking about daily fantasy sports that you know nothing about and have never tried. You NO NOTHING Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback
reddogblitz Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 You NO NOTHING You can't make this **** up.
jimmy10 Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Pick your players, then pick up your cash. Yup. Like Bill Burr said, buy her dinner, take her to a movie and... well, you know... every single time! I'm glad the AG stepped in. A lot of people question whether or not these games are on the level. Now if only they would bring back 3 Card Monty... Pick the red card, it's totally not hard!
Maury Ballstein Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) your just plain stupid, you couldn't beat me even if you had help a IBM super Computer you maybe good at poker but your Azzz is mine when it comes to Daily Fantasy football. So go run your mouth some where else like a poker fourm. I feel a serious beat down coming in a daily fantasy football contest I'm just waiting for this clown to step up to the plate and stop his crying.why don't you go get your fake poker chips out and go play some poker with you over weight beer guzzling buddies and stop talking about daily fantasy sports that you know nothing about and have never tried. You NO NOTHING Sounds like those repetitive commercials brainwashed someone. Fantasy football is now the game the intellects play ? Lo freaking L You have another beer. I'm not a big fan. I'm into the skinny hot girls who push me into the wine/cheese and crackers game baby. YOU NO NOTHING !! Yup. Like Bill Burr said, buy her dinner, take her to a movie and... well, you know... every single time! I'm glad the AG stepped in. A lot of people question whether or not these games are on the level. Now if only they would bring back 3 Card Monty... Pick the red card, it's totally not hard! Bill burr destroyed draftkings. They stopped their sponsorship of him after paying him to trash them for weeks Edited November 19, 2015 by Ryan L Billz
17 Josh Allen Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) How about you guys that are against daily fantasy football please read up about it a little more. instead of listening to what the main stream media jams down your throat. Daily Fantasy sports has been running legally in 45 states and NYS since 2009. it is covered and except under the 2006 Internet Gambling Act a federal law that says Fatasy sports is a Skill based contest, it's not considered gambling under the law and it's considered a contest that is skilled based. The was passed so millions of players can continue to play for money season long leagues and daily So fantasy sports was excepted under this new federal law that president bush signed back in 2006. why don't you guys get this. Yes I agree it should be regulated and taxed. But why be a Dick like The NYS AG and shut it down when there is a Bill pending in NYS that will get finished in Jan. Then you have all these other states passing bills to get there cut and we have are Attorney General who is taking campaign contributions from casino and gaming interest and now he has a change of mind after 6 years a these company's doing business 1 mile from his office in his state. Give me a break. read the stories people wake up and no that this is political in nature and what's going on is he wants it shut down so we can keep playing lotto, scratch offs, OTB horse race betting, state sponsor casinos that give kick backs to the state of NY and the Indian Gambling interests. Now that this has become a big billion dollar industry they fear the competion. I thought we lived in America not Russia. http://dkplayersalliance.com/category/player-stories/ Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback
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