KD in CA Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 No way...something created by ESPN is obviously wrong and stupid??? Shocking news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Time to revive this old chestnut: http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/qbr-espns-deeply-flawed-made-for-tv-stat/7978/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 If they remove the beard from the stats, Fitz drops 8 spots. I did the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 On second thought the most likely scenario is 20 years of fanhood hacked into ESPN servers and tweaked the equation with a douche-factor... That is a much more likely scenario than Ryan Fitzpatrick is outperforming tom Brady this season Corrected, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 @NBCSports QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady. #Patriots #Jets http://tw.nbcsports.com/2sS In 2011, when ESPN introduced its new statistic Total Quarterback Rating, it was declared the “one stat that measures the totality of a quarterback’s performance.” In 2015, that one stat says Ryan Fitzpatrick is better than Tom Brady: ESPN’s QBR rankings for this season have Fitzpatrick third in the NFL with a Total QBR of 76.7. Brady is fifth, with a Total QBR of 73.9. Proof Tainted Tom sucks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 To be fair, game circumstances are part of the criteria. There is a bonus for "clutch" play. I suspect the Patriots have not provided their QB many chances to earn the extra credit for making the difference in a tight game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The regular QB passer rating is a joke but mainly because it has one huge flaw, it doesn't penalize at all for taking sacks, and other lesser flaws like getting lots of yards does not help. Rob Johnson singlehandedly exposed the regular system by being by far the most sackable QB in NFL history while putting up nice to exellnt passer ratings. He finished his career 83.6 passér rating nearly identical to jim Kelly's 84.4. They just need to tweak the current passer rating so sack avoidance and yards count, not trash the whole system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The regular QB passer rating is a joke but mainly because it has one huge flaw, it doesn't penalize at all for taking sacks, and other lesser flaws like getting lots of yards does not help. Rob Johnson singlehandedly exposed the regular system by being by far the most sackable QB in NFL history while putting up nice to exellnt passer ratings. He finished his career 83.6 passér rating nearly identical to jim Kelly's 84.4. They just need to tweak the current passer rating so sack avoidance and yards count, not trash the whole system. Besides sacks, NFL passer rating is blind to QB fumbles (often huge negative plays) anything involving QB runs (often huge positive plays) or the game circumstances of when plays are run (context always matters.) If statistics are like bikinis, the NFL passer rating is a burqini. , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 @NBCSports QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady. #Patriots #Jets http://tw.nbcsports.com/2sS In 2011, when ESPN introduced its new statistic Total Quarterback Rating, it was declared the “one stat that measures the totality of a quarterback’s performance.” In 2015, that one stat says Ryan Fitzpatrick is better than Tom Brady: ESPN’s QBR rankings for this season have Fitzpatrick third in the NFL with a Total QBR of 76.7. Brady is fifth, with a Total QBR of 73.9. This has been known for quite some time now. ESPN is a joke in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The regular QB passer rating is a joke but mainly because it has one huge flaw, it doesn't penalize at all for taking sacks, and other lesser flaws like getting lots of yards does not help. Rob Johnson singlehandedly exposed the regular system by being by far the most sackable QB in NFL history while putting up nice to exellnt passer ratings. He finished his career 83.6 passér rating nearly identical to jim Kelly's 84.4. They just need to tweak the current passer rating so sack avoidance and yards count, not trash the whole system. The passer rating is fine as it is...... but it is a passer rating.... it rates how accurately you pass the ball and for how many yards at a time and for how many touchdowns. It only assess the throws that leave the Quarterback's hand. It is not always a great judge of who the best Quarterbacks in the league are for the reasons you stated. If you take it for what it is it is fine. QBR is a useless stat. It is a load of variables thrown at a wall assessed and evaluated in a less than coherent way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The passer rating is fine as it is...... but it is a passer rating.... it rates how accurately you pass the ball and for how many yards at a time and for how many touchdowns. It only assess the throws that leave the Quarterback's hand. It is not always a great judge of who the best Quarterbacks in the league are for the reasons you stated. If you take it for what it is it is fine. QBR is a useless stat. It is a load of variables thrown at a wall assessed and evaluated in a less than coherent way. Agree with all of that ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The regular QB passer rating is a joke but mainly because it has one huge flaw, it doesn't penalize at all for taking sacks, and other lesser flaws like getting lots of yards does not help. Rob Johnson singlehandedly exposed the regular system by being by far the most sackable QB in NFL history while putting up nice to exellnt passer ratings. He finished his career 83.6 passér rating nearly identical to jim Kelly's 84.4. They just need to tweak the current passer rating so sack avoidance and yards count, not trash the whole system. For team passing stats using the old rating, they do factor in lost sack yardage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I'll take the old "eye test" any day over this metric. It's not even worth trying to explain what's wrong with it. Kind of like Bruce Jenner / Caitlyn Jenner / whatever you want to call him / her / it. You going for funny there? Cause it just makes you look like a racist piece of sh$t...but don't worry, not going to explain it to you. Let me guess, you're one of those people who think anti bullying campaigns are the pc police gone wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 You going for funny there? Cause it just makes you look like a racist piece of sh$t...but don't worry, not going to explain it to you. Let me guess, you're one of those people who think anti bullying campaigns are the pc police gone wild. The word you are looking for is "transphobic" not "racist". I happen to agree with your point, but you will find yourself in the minority around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The word you are looking for is "transphobic" not "racist". I happen to agree with your point, but you will find yourself in the minority around here. Nah, think using a different word for it is giving it a free pass. Call it what it is. Race is just an arbitrary classification of combined characteristics, and treating someone poorly because of one of those characteristics, be it skin color, gender, religion, sexual orientation, hair color, etc is racism. Otherwise it's a bit like people in the 1700 saying they weren't racist because slaves were property not people. Empathy, humility and passion it where it's at, and people who forget that will wake up one day, realize the world has turned and now they have some arbitrary physical characteristic they have no control over and they will understand the true nature of racism, be it skin color, or being left handed, or having a disability. Anyway, speaking out classification, that qbr does not do the best job! Does it do better with a season's worth of data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I don't agree with you on the semantics of the words to be honest - but let's not argue about that because I agree with your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) QBR tries to be too fancy. For example, it weighs passes near the opponents endzone more heavily then plays near your own end which are less likely to contribute to a score. (In fact, the battle for yards and field position matter where ever you are). It weighs "clutch" plays more heavily. ("Clutch," though, is an arbitrary concept. Game-changing plays can happen at any time and any down-and-distance). It evaluates passes differently if the QB is under pressure or not. (This may be a good idea but it's highly subjective). Their exact algorithm is an proprietary secret but the results speak for themselves. QBR is useless. I think ESPN will eventually modify it or ditch it due to it's lack of credibility. Time to revive this old chestnut: http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/qbr-espns-deeply-flawed-made-for-tv-stat/7978/ Thanks for posting. I hadn't seen this before but it reaffirms my conviction that passer rating is a far better metric than QBR. Edited November 11, 2015 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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